Box Score Recap – 8/10/2013

Box Score Recap

Cam Rupp went deep, his fifth at AAA. Trevor May pitched ok in beating Reading. Severino Gonzalez was very good for CLR, and Kenny Giles blew the save there. Wille Carmona OPSing .824 since the SAL all-star break. As a 22 yr-old, that doesn’t tell me much. Drew Anderson was strong in a loss for WIL. Nick Ferdinand with his second HR in two days, and JP Crawford is OPSing .977 on the year for GCL. He leads the league in AVG, OBP, OPS and is fifth in SLG, tied for fifth in SB and sixth in BB. Stellar.

Here’s a place for your discussion on Saturday’s action. I went out to Nats Park last night at the last minute for the Phils game, and that threw off my whole weekend plan, so I’m going to have to skip the graphic today.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130810

 

39 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 8/10/2013”

    1. He’s been the best HS arm from his draft. Despite being a 21st pick who I think signed for $100k-$150k in a draft where the Phillies used their first two picks(both in the 1st supplemental round) on HS pitchers (Shane Watson & Mitch Gueller)

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  2. 93 is really good news, he’s still young enough where velocity increases aren’t likely but do occur sometimes.

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  3. JP Crawford was ranke the best prospect in the GCL by the guy who runs Prospect Pipeline on B/R (Mike Rosenbaum I think is the name). Crawford is making me eat my words and I love it. Hope he keeps this up as he progresses.

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    1. Same, I didn’t like the pick so much when it was first announced. I’m very happy with his progess

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      1. “Born and raised in Chicago, Mike is a White Sox fan despite the fact that he now resides in Tarrytown, New York.”

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      2. In this case, it doesn’t really matter. He’s got the offensive stats and the defensive position (and defensive skill, at least via scouts’ comments) that makes this ranking a reasonable one.

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  4. W-port manager Nelson Prada was quoted in the Inquirer as saying Tyler Tyler Buckley’s fastball ranges from 89-98 mph. That’s quite a range. Either it’s two different fastballs or that was a misprint.

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    2. Tells me he has the arm strength but struggles to maintain he mechanics which would result in the wide range of velocity readings.

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    3. I bet they meant to write 89-90. If it was 98, they would have spent the entire article writing about his great arm.

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      1. “You know how we can get back at those scouts for saying what they believe? After every good game he has we can go post on a blog ABS or arm bar. That’ll show them!”

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  7. Interesting piece on the Orioles experimenting with trying to teach a few fringe pitchers the knuckleball. I wonder if this might be an option for someone like Tyler Cloyd, who has good command but lacks a major leage fastball.

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    1. I think organizations should identify pitchers who will not progress using a standard arsenal of pitches and allow them to experiment with different or more risky pitches. You are right that a guy like Cloyd could really benefit from trying a knuckleball. Similarly, pitchers who throw hard but straight could often benefit from using the now out-of-vogue splitter. If I were the Phillies, I’d have Bruce Sutter in there teaching a guy like Rosenberg that pitch and, if he continues to struggle, JC Ramirez.

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      1. Bruce Sutter teaching Scott Mathieson his splitter didn’t really work out…but eventually someone taught it should be able to use it.

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      2. I have to imagine these sorts of transformations, especially with the knuckleball, are really tough. If you’re Tyler Cloyd, you have to say to yourself: “I’ve been in the majors the last two seasons, but I’m never going to pitch there on a regular basis, so I need to stop pitching the way that’s gotten me so close to the big leagues and learn a trick pitch that few are able to master. I’m going to get knocked around for a long time, but maybe if I’m very lucky I’ll end up back in the major for an extended career.” The telling quote in the article was the one about needing guys who have “failed at a very high level.” You also need guys who are insightful enough to recognize that failure and to take drastic action, and clubs that will support that drastic action even if it takes a year or two.

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  8. David Murphy on the Mis-Firing of Amaro:
    “If we were talking about a one-time error in judgment, it would not warrant this level of inquiry. But the decision to designate Young for assignment on Friday came 2 days after the Phillies did the same with Laynce Nix, who did little to alter his reputation as a part-time player who hits home runs and not much else after Amaro and Co. gave him a 2-year contract before the 2012 season. It came in a season where Michael Martinez reached 2 years of major league service despite a career batting line of .191/.240/.269 (to go with his average baserunning and defense). It came in a season when the Phillies signed Chad Durbin to a major league deal despite his diminishing stuff. It came 1 year after they did the same with Chad Qualls, 2 years after they gave 2 years to Danys Baez. These were all relievers in their 30s with declining strikeout rates who ended up performing as those types of relievers tend to.”
    …………….are you reading the local papers and listening to the people Monty?

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    1. Thank you for citing this article. We so frequently criticize local sportswriters as they are so often completely clueless or just plain misguided. But David Murphy nailed the presenting problem with this article (so much so that I could not at first believe it was written by one of the local beat writers) and he should be praised because when it comes from the local sportswriters it is read by the average fan the the problems are brought to light in an embarrasing way. The best part of the piece, however, is the stuff about Delmon Young. Murphy quotes Amaro as saying that he belives Delmon is better than how he played. Murphy analyzes that staggering statement through an historical lense and shows how Delmon Young was precisely the same crappy player he has been for the last seven years and that it was delusionaly for Ruben Amaro to think otherwise.

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      1. Plus he gets a slight dig in on Ruben’s bias against the metric guys with referring to Ruben as ‘foofy’ walks as productive.
        With every loss, naturally Charlie will be let go after the season as expected, but also possibly Ruben a little later.

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      2. Have you actually read the stuff the local beat writers have been doing? I think Murphy has been predicting exactly what was going to happen all season. Beat writers like Chris Branch and Matt Gelb have also been pretty realistic. I think maybe you have a better point when it comes to the columnists, and sometimes they’re a bit checked-out when it comes to what’s going on down in the farm system. (Though I think Murphy has gone to see guys like Franco and Biddle this season, and he was throwing cold water on the notion of Biddle as an option for 2014 long before his current struggles.) Anyhow, I think if you’re looking for the sources of irrational optimism about the Phillies, the beat writers are not the guys you should blame.

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        1. Agreed on a whole Murphy, Gelb, Branch, Salisbury, and Brookover have all been very realistic on the season as a whole. A bunch of them have made the effort to really learn the minor league system without just saying the new hot guy is the savior of the team. It has been refreshing to see some realism.

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        2. Murph, Ryan Lawrence and Matt Gelb lean towards metrics more so then the Salisbury, Sheridan, Brookover types…the older writers. However, the older ones do not dismiss the metric formulae as much as one would think, being they are from the older generation.
          Currently, ‘irrational optimism’ doesn’t exist in the ink, nor over the sound waves, nor the Telly. They all are pouncing on Ruben. Its like Rube is that old ‘Punching Clown’ from years ago…he keeps gettinbg belted and comes up smiling.

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          1. I wouldn’t call murph a metrics guy though….but he is better than most and I do enjoy his columns.

            I think he missed an opportunity to criticize amaro’s admitted reliance on Young’s 2012 rbi totals as at least a partial reason for signing him

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  9. Since Jose Darile Abreu is over 23 and has played Cuban professional baseball for more than three years, he would enter the market as an unrestricted free agent. He would appear to be in excellent position to receive more than Puig, who got seven years and $42MM from the Dodgers last June.
    Lets go Ruben…make a splash.

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      2. ruben will make a high bid t hen say he flunked his physical. funny all the guys we got .who should have flunked and didnt, but gonzlez flunks his ,makes you wonder

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      3. That would be tricky finding him a position in 2014. When you think about it….a lot of NL clubs would find it hard placing him with some having big contracts already tied up in first basemen contracts. OTOH, AL clubs could find a DH role for him along with 1st base.

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        1. Abreu isn’t going to be that cheap. If you send $50m with Ryan Howard making him a 3yr/$25m that means the Phillies are paying $15m a year in dead money and then kicking in $5m of his buy-out. Would they really pay that much and then have to spend maybe $75m+ to sign Abreu? You could be talking about $30m tied up in first base while the Ryan Howard payments are being made.

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    2. We can all pretty much agree that this year the Phillies as an organization have been disappointing (there are many other adjectives I thought of first, but I settled on disappointing to be more diplomatic and it does seem to describe the organization up and down).

      However, I wanted to look at the positives because I have a feeling we will need to do so every so often throughout the offseason.

      Franco, even with the holes pointed out by others, has become a serious prospect and could be even better.

      Cody Asche has graduated to the Phils to be their starting 3B for at least the rest of 2013 and probably all of 2014 and because of that Franco does not have to be rushed to the majors.

      Ruf has shown he belongs in the majors. I am not saying he will be a star or even more than a platoon/bench bat, but he established he belongs in the majors.

      Rupp has shown that he may be able to at least be the Phils backup catcher in 2014.

      Similarly, Cesar Hernandez has shown that he probably can be a serviceable utility player for the Phils in 2014, and therefore, we won’t see Martinez in a Phillies uniform as often anymore (that’s a double positive).

      Kelly Dugan has become a legitimate prospect and may be able to push to the majors at some point toward the mid/end of 2014.

      Tocci handled full-season Low A better than expected.

      Some guys at Williamsport — Cozens, Pullin, Green, Lino, and Anderson and perhaps even Tromp appear to be legitimate prospects (not to mention those that are prospects that haven’t had the success as of yet, like Gueller, etc.).

      The Phils got a lot of positive reviews for their 2013 draft and got high-end talent in Crawford (who has exceeded all expectations with the bat thus far) and Sandberg and guys with upside like Knapp, Hernandez, Williams, Keys, Viza, Biter, and Sweaney. It looks like Daniel Child is being fast-tracked and if he continues his success, could even be in discussion for a MLB-debut at the mid/end of 2014.

      I hope this helps. I know it helped me avoid thinking about the negatives (which is really easy right now), even if only for a little while.

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