Box Score Recap – 7/27/2013

Box Score Recap

Maikel Franco went 3-4 with a double, Cody Asche hit his 13th HR, and Cam Perkins with 2 doubles, to bring his shortened season total to 25. In under 300 PAs. Impressive. Adam Morgan with another pitch-counted start at AAA – he gave up 1 hit, walked 3 and struck out 2 in 3 scoreless IP. Nic Hanson and Seth Rosin did some nice work from the bump as well.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130727

44 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 7/27/2013”

  1. Chances that Asche goes to AFL to work on 2nd base? I’d love to keep him in infield if at all possible. I know he tried 2nd a couple times, but his bat would be above average there if he can stay there.

    Plus looking far ahead you could have Franco, Crawford, and Asche locked in there for 5-6 years cheap.

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    1. It’s been said he wouldn’t be available for the AFL. They could send him to winter leagues to work on 2nd. The problem is, he just isn’t very good at 2nd and that’s why they gave up on that fairly quickly.

      As far as Franco, Crawford, Asche yes they could be potentially cheap options for solid starters, but of course they could also end up not very good at all. They’re all far away from flawless, sure-fire stars.

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      1. They’re risky like all prospects, but they’re also the closest thing we’ve had to a solid core of young players in a while. If one or two higher risk guys like Tocci or Quinn hit, it’s not hard to envision the next good phillies team.

        I’m excited about Asche right now. The guy is just doing everything he needs to do.

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        1. I just don’t see the point in counting our chickens already. I am pleased we have some potentially impactful prospects but I’m not going to pencil them into cheap young core just yet.

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          1. I guess I’m counting chickens because right now I’m enjoying my fantasy core more than I’m enjoying the Phillies.

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            1. Enjoy them for what they are, instead of projecting a future that is beyond speculative at this point.

              I mean, don’t get me wrong, it’s a free country, do what you want, but these exercises just seem to be INHERENTLY flawed, but in this case PARTICULARLY flawed for the reasons stated.

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            2. But in my head the phuture phillies are running away with the division…Franco just hit his second bomb of the game off Matt Harvey…you should turn it on.

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            3. I’m surprised you didn’t mention Crawford’s behind-the-back throw across the infield.

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        2. We’re really talking about three very different players here. Not sure grouping them together is that helpful. And as a “core” the positional duplication is problematic. it’s one thing to argue that Asche should be moved to second – unrealistic but understandable – but absent that, the other “solutions” to the problem (other than an eventual trade) would dilute that “core” significantly by shifting one of the players leftward on the defensive spectrum.

          Crawford, of course, is 3 to 4 years behind these guys, and, as much as I like him, is a whole different level of risk than the other two. It just seems an odd grouping.

          Really at this point it’s impossible to productively speculate on the next “core.” Those three guys are all candidates, but (a) the chance of all three being part of that core is zero, and (b) by themselves, that’s not the core of a contender, even if you’re optimistic about the three.

          Which is not being negative; there are several other guys in the system who could be part of that core. Brown should still be a round and productive. There’s Quinn/Tocci/Cozens/Green, two of which you mention, all of whom have fairly high ceilings, though they are almost as far away as Crawford (and in a couple cases also redundant). But really ALL of these guys are very speculative at this point, except for Franco and Asche, only one of whom is going to be part of the core long term.

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          1. All I really meant to say is that for the first time in a couple years I’m looking around the system and seeing hitters who are actually performing the way future average or above average major league players should be performing at their respective levels.

            I didn’t mean to say that these are the guys — I’d still be more surprised if the specific guys I mentioned actually become the next “core” than if they don’t — but just that the pool of position players in our system is finally improving to the point that I feel somewhat confident saying that a few of the guys who comprise it might actually be good players at the same time.

            I don’t really lump Crawford, Franco and Ashe together. They each excite me for different reasons — Asche because he’s on the cusp and I’m feeling like he might be the kind of guy who could get a little extra juice out of his reportedly average tools, Franco because he’s simply destroying his competition at a high level and Crawford because he’s our first first-round position player in quite a while who actually appears to be a baseball player, plus all the excellent reports about his game and his personality.

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            1. the site it called Phuture Phillies right ? if speculation isnt involved maybe im missing the point of this place, I like the core you have come up with and if 2 of the 3 become decent ballplayers , with the Phillies budget they would make a solid core for years to come

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            3. Agreed, the point our GM is missing is this argument of “we’re going to be competitive every year”. Guys like Lee, Rollins, and Papelbon will never have more value than they do right now, and if the target was young major leaguers or near ready prospects, they could help just as much or more than some of the aging veterans.

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            4. Yeah. Actually having a 1st round batter, AND, having that pick actually look impressive early, are quite uncommon for recent Phillies drafts. (Biddle was and has been quite good).

              Is this why other teams have good systems? Good 1st Round picks who actually play well in the minors?

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            6. you are correct it definitely helps but there are guys who make the allstar team every year and are not a top 50 pick , Dom Brown for example

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      2. Do a comp between Franco’s first 1500 PAs (approx) and Miguel Cabrera’s . There are some striking similarities and trendings.

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            1. So Franco will probably be in the MLB by the time he is 22 , if all goes well next year and the following , however the phillies seem to allow their prospects to hangout awhile in AAA , so it could be more like 24

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  2. Kelly Dugan got on base 4 times to keep his hot stretch going- 1 for 2 with a BB and 2 HBPs.

    I’m not sure how intrigued to be by Nic Hanson. On one hand, he’s a little old for the level and his K totals are good but not great. On the other, he doesn’t walks guys and he’s 6’7″. I wonder if he might’ve been looking at a promotion by now if he didn’t go on the DL.

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    1. I dont critique old for level for pitchers as much as I do for hitters. If the stuff is there it will play on any level. Having said that, the 4+ K/BB ratios are certainly excellent. It really all depends if he has some velocity or if he’s just fooling Low A hitters with junk.

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  3. Richard Bielski with another scoreless outing and a couple Strikeouts. Still only 18 years old. They seem to be being very protective of his arm. He only pitches an inning or two, every 3-4 days.
    Bielski and Andrew Anderson look like good picks from 2012, so far.

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    1. They are so young there is no way to know what they’ll turn into. There is still a chance for them to gain velocity, etc.

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  4. Watched the Reading game last night (TV) and was impressed with Franco – not only his hitting but he played a very good 3B. Made a beautiful play on a ball on the line. Also LOVE Rosin. Throws strikes – had a bunch of swing and misses and 3 of the hits were broken bat bloopers over the infield. He needs to be put on the 40 man this year, right ?
    Murphy seems to always have a good at-bat. Works the pitchers well into the count everytime I’ve seen him.

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    1. I can see Seth Rosin as a back-of-the-rot guy.His size and durability makes him more desirable.

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    2. I have watched his swing for first time and without a doubt they have some fixing to do. What surprised me most was lack of involvement of his lower half. I am no longer annoyed by law comments because they have merit. That being said…he is hitting machine who will be reception to change in approach when that time comes.

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  5. After seeing LGJ play yesterday and multiple other times, I came to multiple conclusions about him and Lakewood
    1) He most likely has a vision problem, should fix that by 2014
    2) LGJ has a monster swing, should be able to destroy any ball that comes in contact
    3) LGJ’s power may come from his linebacker thighs but has an all arm swing
    4) LGJ is a lazy, pathetic fielder in left but has cannon arm, I’d personally see how he does in right, after that try first already
    5) Although Lakewood remains a fantastic organization, I can see them heading down hill slowly, even with small things
    6) Art Charles still has lots of power potential
    7) Mitch Walding has an excellent glove and arm at third
    8) Josh Ludy looks like he lost a lot of weight from last year, maybe taking away from power
    9) Carmona must be promoted already
    10) Numata should be the every day catcher, stop platooning

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    1. carman is better than carmona, a much well rounded baseball player and better defensively.

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      2. Carman catches while Carmona plays 1st and 3rd, Carman also has only played 13 games in Lakewood this year as a 24 year old, he has above average defense however

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    2. ‘5) Although Lakewood remains a fantastic organization, I can see them heading down hill slowly, even with small things’–????
      Does their agreement end after this year with the Phillies?

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      1. Their agreement with Philly ends after 2014, I doubt they leave Lakewood (huge crowd, local fans, close to Philly, close to other affiliates), but I see maybe a new stadium, seats, scoreboard, and fan control all have problems, but don’t get me wrong I love the BlueClaws, still better than 90% of MiLB organizations.

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  6. Another 3 hits for ‘ABS’. Maybe the phillies should start teaching the ABS. I love how all the people who critisize Franco’s swing will say he made adjustments to his swing when he is droping bombs in the Big Leagues.

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  7. Just amazing how so many scouts have differing opinions on Franco. Arm bar/ no arm bar, good feet at 3rd, bad feet at 3rd, etc. I hope we can see this thing play out and he proves the detractors wrong.

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  8. Biddle rocked for the second outing in a row. Hope it’s the growing pains of AA and not an injury.

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    1. I anticipate posting this more than one time over the next 24 hours. He is a Philadelphian. Not from the suburbs, but from the city itself. The fortunes of the big club are killing him and he is overcompensating in order to try to help the team ASAP. And if a pitcher starts forcing things, the results are never good. He’ll be fine, long term. As I posted recently, the internet is the worst thing that ever happened to MILB pitchers.

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    2. i was at the Reading game and he had absolutely zero control in the second inning. It was definitely ugly to see

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  9. The Phillies org seems loaded with back end of the rotation starters. Which ones can play up as releivers and contribute in 2014. Martin is the main guy but then what do we do with Morgan, Biddle, Rosin, Pettibone, Wright. A team can only have 2 back of the rotation guys. I don’t they would bail on Biddle and Morgan as starters. Pettibone has been nice as a 5th starter. Now with Gonzalez, the back of the rotation in 2014 looks crowded. I don’t think Morgan and Pettibone are your 4 and 5 next year. They still have Gonzalez, Kendrick, Lee, Hamels and maybe Lannon and Halladay.

    Maybe Martin and Morgan are in the bullpen with Rosin and Wright waiting their turns in AAA. Madson was a pretty effective minor league starter that became a pretty effective major league set up man/closer. Can we get that out of Martin? Morgan? Pettibone?

    (this is why they should deal Lee or Kendrick…or even Biddle for a young right handed middle of the lineup bat)

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