Box Score Recap 7/9

Box Score Recap

Nice line from Tyler Cloyd, Cesar and Freddy with 3 hits each, Crawford and Sandberg with 2 a piece, and a pro debut from recently-signed Tyler Viza. First stateside HR for Sam Hiciano, and a clunker of an outing from Kenny Giles. No time to get the graphic up right now. Maybe later.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130709

85 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 7/9”

  2. Incredibly SSS, but: J.P. Crawford is 5-11 with 1 2B against lefties (.455) and 10-22 with 1 2B against righties (.455). He is definitely making a good first impression.

    Kenny Giles either has the straightest 99 mph fastball in history, or cannot locate it to save his life. These are not the results a fireballer should be producing.

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    2. They made some mechanical changes to Giles during his recovery time to work on command and secondary pitches. He does have control problems and the fastball is relatively straight.

      But more than anything it is just his second outing back.

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  3. The lack of pitching in this system is really,starting to show. hope a couple of these drafted guys sign. they need some new arms.

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  4. Man, would have been nice to see Galvis in AAA playing with Hernandez everyday from day 1. Welp, thank god he was with the Phillies and helped them to their stellar, 1 game below .500 record, while he was there. It definitely wasnt more important that he get 4 abs a night.
    At this rate, I would think both Sandberg and Crawford are definitly in their Top 10. Straight to Lakewood next year I suppose.

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  5. Shane Watson to DL with bad shoulder is bad news. Hopefully its just the natural adjustment to pitching every fifth day as a pro and nothing serious.

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    1. Ugh.

      I wonder if it also has something to do with the organization pushing him to develop his fastball at the expense of the curve; he’s probably not used to throwing that hard, that consistently.

      Hope they don’t rush him back.

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      1. That’s a shame, he pitched really well in his last 4 games – 21IP 12H 2ER 6BB 17K.
        Hopefully its just a light strain and nothing serious.

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    2. Bad, bad, news. Now 2 of the 3 best pitching prospects in the system have arm injuries.

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          1. Slow healing is a continuing annoyance and also concern for insulin required diabetics. Would this have any bearing on the shoulder inflammation?

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            1. Living in Sf , I prescribe weed to non athletes , helps some relax , however does not really inspire most to do rehab exercises. And I have seen some good results with Antabloc helps a good deal with repetitive motion injuries , however if you have heard of it and I have heard of it surely the Phills brass most be some what aware , I mean they have a whole team of med docs ,right

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  6. kinda surprised there hasnt been a post about luis garcia’s call-up. what an interesting story.

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  7. That’s a shame, he pitched really well in his last 4 games – 21IP 12H 2ER 6BB 17K.
    Hopefully its just a light strain and nothing serious.

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  8. What ever happened to Kevin Brady? Did he fall in a well? He’s not listed as being on the DL on the milb website.

    I wonder who takes Watson’s place in the Lakewood rotation. That’s pretty terrible news.

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  9. Crawford with another hit, Maybe just maybe we get a kid who goes through the system fast. Would be great to see.

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    1. I’m happy for a kid out of HS hitting the hell out of the GCL, but who remembers the excitement when D’Arby Myers did that? Additionally, what should be considered an encouraging amount of power from Crawford given his development? Because 1 XBH total isn’t that impressive even with SSS.

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      1. D’Arby Myers? What’s he your neighbor? What Myers did was hardly anything special or hasn’t been done several times since. Not that I wouldn’t be content with a final SS slash of .313 / .353 / .430 but I’m hoping for an OPS north of .800 for Crawford. An 0-12 could change Crawford’s phenomenal start in a hurry, but so far I couldn’t have hoped for a better start regardless of the lack of XBHs.

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        1. I think his point was that many folks on this site, including its former administrator, blew up Myers based on strong GCL stats. It’s certainly not a bad thing that Crawford is playing well, but it’s still well within SSS territory, and most professionals will tell you to discard GCL stats altogether; the league is more instructional than competitive.

          Tl;dr: Minor league (especially rookie league) stats are for Entertainment Purposes Only.

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          1. Right – the one thing that his good start does preserve though, is the possibility that he will consistently outperform equally aged competition. That’s a good thing. I’d like to see another 50 ABs or so before becoming too excited (or unreasonable)

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            1. I think Rich said it better than I could. I think a season like this at full season is worth excitement, but I don’t think we should all hop aboard the Crawford wagon quite yet (although I certainly wouldn’t mind if success carries over into next year).

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            2. It’s not about hopping aboard his wagon. He’s a high draft pick and a highly regarded prospect who has so far given us no reason to hop off his wagon. SSS or not, that’s a good thing.

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            3. +1. Best prospect they’ve drafted in at least 7 years, and he is doing nothing to disappoint. No negatives is a good thing.

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            4. I would hope that we all are on every player listed as a prospect’s wagon. I know we see traits and tendencies in all of them that lead us to believe why one is better than another and if they will make it, but in the end we are all rooting for everyone to succeed. Now with that being said i am liking what i am seeing so far. I love me some crawford!!!!

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  10. Loving the Phillies #3 prospect. Crawford trying to hit his way out of the heat and humidity of the GCL.

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    1. Nice. Another two hits today including a line drive single to right and bunt to the first base side. At least the second bunt hit I’m aware of this season. Great start for J.P.

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  11. Jim Callis Chat at BA addressed a Franco question :

    phil (philly): Franco and Sano have similar #’s. But Franco’s #’s are better. Both are 20 years old but Franco is a legit 20(as you know Sano had an inconclusive investigation). Franco also profiles at least as an average defender at 3b where sank may require a move. How does sano rank 3rd in your mid season list and Franco miss the top 50?

    Jim Callis: Think J.J. Cooper covered this exhaustively on Twitter the other day, but here’s the short answer: 1) Sano has MUCH more power and is the best power hitter in the minors and 2) there are concerns about how well Franco’s swing will play in the big leagues. But also realize that Franco would have made the Top 100 if we went that deep and there’s no shame in not making the Top 50. Franco is very good but Sano is better.

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    1. Jim Callis is a good guy. I’m surprise he even entertains some of these questions.

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      1. Its a thankless job. Fans of all 30 teams are probably bitching about those lists for one reason or another.

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    2. I think this is a more than reasonable defense of their position. With both kids being 20 there is still a lot of projection for them and the only difference in their numbers this year is a SSS edge at a hitters park for Franco. And remember this is the 3rd year in a Row that Sano has hit 20 HR and Franco’s first. So the evidence is there that this is likely what Sano will be as opposed to this is the beginning of what we hope Franco will become. For the record i love Franco and i am hoping he forces their hand to AAA next year just like Asche did.

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      1. I don’t think there are many here that would argue that Sano should be rated higher than Franco. I think it has more to do with how much higher Sano is rated

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        1. I would guess that Sano ceiling is comparable to Pedro Alvarez .240 40 HR with lots of K’s and Franco ceiling is comparable to Aramis Ramirez,.285 25-30 HR with fewer K’s. Perhaps with Franco’s swing mechanics he is less likely to reach that ceiling but high K guys also have a high burn out rate.

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          1. Sano: Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:
            Pre-2010: Rated #94 Prospect
            Pre-2011: Rated #60 Prospect
            Pre-2012: Rated #18 Prospect
            Pre-2013: Rated #9 Prospect
            ….all with a 26% K-rate

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            1. And a high walk rate to match. You can get away with the strikeout rate if you are also walking at a high rate too.

              I know people keep saying they are the same age, but Miguel Sano is NINE MONTHs younger than Franco, that is not-inconsequential

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          2. Sano is likely to hit in the .260-.270 range with OBP more in the .360-.370 range, which is a big step up on Alvarez. In his prime Sano will likely walk 100+ times a season because of the patience and power. Essentially he is going to be the 3B version of Mike Stanton

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  12. It’s a good thing the GCL stats don’t matter much right now, because there’s a lot of poor stat lines accompanying a 4-10 record. Aside from Crawford and Sandberg there’s not much going on in the lineup.

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    1. I disagree. Deivi Grullon just turned 17, and he is doing fine. He’s not striking out and he is getting some hits. If he continues all season, at this pace, I would be more than satisfied.
      Also, since the first 3 or 4 games of the season, Sweaney and Hernandez have been OK.

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  13. Someone has to bring this up: Is Willie Carmona better option at 3B over Mitch Walding? I don’t have enough info on Carmona fielding but his hit tool certainly looks better.

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    1. For that matter, is it time to give up on Walding? If Green is promoted to LKW next year, does he get the bump to Clearwater?

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      1. Walding is almost 2 years younger than Carmona. And he’s a year younger than H-Mart was in Lakewood last year, performing about the same. Too early to give up on Walding. I think he’ll go to Clearwater next year even if he maintains his performance. He still has to outrank Carmona and Martinez as prospects and with Green in LKW next year, they might as well move him up.

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    2. Walding isn’t doing anything, but Carmona isn’t impressive either. As a college player in his 2nd season, he is barely doing what is expected, at Low A.

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  14. Looking like Larry Greene is finally starting to climb the ladder to success with a good game at the plate last night. Just hoping its not a hook and ladder.

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    1. Don’t be ridiculous; we’ve been informed repeatedly that Larry Greene is a NP based on his statistical first-half performance as a 20-year old in A ball.

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      1. This board was plenty patient with Maikel Franco when he struggled during the same period at the same level last season. Greene would probably get similar treatment if he’d shown up in shape either of the past two years.

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        1. The main problem was the whispers of him showing up out of shape and once they were validated those holding out hope that he did not possess this potentially fatal flaw had to admit it. Hell the Joe Jordan interview on Phoulballs is quite a damnation on his will to be great. At no point was his talent questioned just his willingness to put in the extra time.

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            1. Cannot hit a fastball. Never will be able to hit a fastball. Just like Dom Brown. Right, Roc?

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          2. And my main problem with that is we don’t know the kid, what the organization told him to do over the offseason, or how much effort he did or did not put into conditioning during that time. We can see the results, and hear one side of the story, but that’s not good enough for me to condemn a nationally ranked prep prospect over a poor start to full-season ball.

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            1. That’s true. For all we know, the organization may have told him to show up out of shape.

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          3. Biancs413 made the key point on Greene. Although he has talent, he is not so talented that he can just show up and never put in the time to get into shape. That stuff will kill anybody’s athleticism after 26 or so. Baseball is a grind. If Greene is lazy or unwilling to work hard to get into the best shape he won’t make it very far. No matter how far he can hit a baseball when he actually makes good contact.

            People are also harder on Greene because he was in effect their 1st round pick in 2011 and it makes it worse.

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        2. Franco wasn’t a first round pick. They had different expectations going into their Lakewood seasons. That said, the being out of shape thing has definitely soured some people on Greene.

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          1. Franco wasn’t a first rounder, but he did receive plenty of attention and was ranked in the top 10 of the Reader Top 30 going into last season — higher than Greene ranked on the same list this year. There were definitely expectations for Franco going into Low A last season.

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      2. Some are folding way too early on LGreene. We’ll learn nearly all we need to during his repeat at Lakewood next season. Until then I just want to see him make small strides in the 2nd half (which will also tell us a bit about his conditioning).

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      3. Rich…I assume you are being facetious with (tic) in saying “we’ve been informed repeatedly that Larry Greene is a NP …..”.

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  15. Newspaper article about Keys:

    10. Denton Keys: Dominant high school left-handed pitcher from Denver is ranked last here only because he might never step foot on campus. The Philadelphia Phillies drafted him in the 11th round, and he must sign by July 12 to join the Phillies’ organization. Signing bonuses have dipped, since new salary rules were implemented, so Kansas has a better shot than it would have a couple of years ago. Plus, Keys’ potential is so considerable, it’s possible he might have the confidence to believe that after three years of growth and refining his pitches, he could become a first-round draft choice and really cash in. A Denver Post story about Keys during the state playoffs said he had four no-hitters as a senior, limited hitters to a .051 batting average against, did not allow an earned run in 38 innings and had five walks and 97 strikeouts. He led his team to the Class 2A state championship.

    I really want them to get this kid.

    http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/jul/04/light-fuse-get-away-ten-ku-athletes-who-will-pack-/

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    2. his fast ball is 87-89 and can hit 91. Wish those numbers were little higher like Ben Wetzler are.

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      1. As he gets older and stronger they probably will go up a few notches, possibly 90/91 and touching 93.

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  16. They can only go so high, If this kid wants more there is no way to sign him. looks like another unsign out of the top 15. Shame they wasted so many early picks on kids, who wont sign. Nice find Joe D. ty. good story.

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      1. I understand your point I think in the technical sense, but in practical terms don’t they represent “wastes” or at least wasted opportunities if some of the key overslots you draft don’t get signed? Most teams seem to be using rounds 11 thru 14 or so for HS kids that you use your leftover bonus pool on to go overslot.

        Losing out on Keys would likely mean the Phillies end up under spending their total bonus allotment for the 2nd straight year in the new system. So that would represent a lost opportunity to spend that money on Keys or another HS prospect that might have signed in Round 11.

        Let’s hope that Keys gets signed. He would be a good get.

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  18. Asche 5 for 5…including HR. THERE, I’ve said it!

    On BA up to .290. Me: I said MAYBE he’d reach .300. Should he bring up his BA vs. lefties, he’d easily hit that “magic” mark.

    Sure would like to see M Young traded
    ASAP for significant help with Cody taking over 3rd base

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    1. Significant help? What do you figure Michael Young would bring back in a trade? Especially considering every team in baseball knows he is more or less expendable to us.

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      1. Don’t get excited. We know you are always 100% correct on baseball. Thanks for your ongoing opinions. I have a file right here for them: #13.

        Have a wonderful, fulfilling day! Bye.

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        1. Also: pls advise yr definition of “significant help”…are you expecting Steve Carlton? Trout? Fish for another name. Significant…check the dictionary.

          “Noteworthy, important, indicative” : Is there a Carlton or Trout in there?

          Wondering, as have others, whether you are just here to argue. If so, go to court.

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          1. I’m surprised you even know who I am. And I didn’t antagonize you, I asked you a question. Personally, I don’t expect us to get anything for Young (either of them) other than cash considerations and/or a PTBNL, specifically one outside of an organizations top 20 prospects, if a prospect at all.

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          2. Well, Young will fetch very little in trade. Rather than respond with outrage, perhaps you should list a few players as a type whom Young might fetch that you would regard as significant. I think you don’t get more than a team’s 20th best prospect or a position player equivalent of Nix, Frandsen, or Delmon Young. We are likely seeking a reliever. I think you get a guy of the quality of Durbin, Aumont, Rosenberg, Friend, Schwimer, A really good haul would be to get the last year or 2011 stage of development Dieckman or DeFratus.

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