Box Score Recap – 5/30/2013

Box Score Recap

A strong start from Hoby Milner – 1R on 3H, 0BB and 7K in 7 IP. After a slow start to 2013, he’s had a really good May. His overall season numbers show K/9 of just over 9, and BB/9 at 2.3. That’s good stuff. Too many HR allowed, and his GO/AO is pretty low – flyball tendencies so far this year, not unlike 2012.

Kelly Dugan went deep for the second straight game, his fifth of the year, Roman Quinn went 2-3 with a walk and his fifth, and Leandro Castro was 2-5, including hit his fifth bomb.

Here’s the affiliate Scoreboard from MiLB.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?sid=milb&org=143&ymd=20130530

5-30-2013

83 thoughts on “Box Score Recap – 5/30/2013”

      1. Did he bad mouth another bus driver? Oh, it was during the game. Must have thought the umpire was driving the bus.

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  2. Looking at Herdanez at second. He looks in the little I have seen, to be a good fielding second basemen. Will he hit enough to me is the big question.

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    1. Yeah, he’ll hit. The hit tool has never been a question for Cesar. The issue was/is plate discpline (that has improved enormously this year) and power. The power issue will be huge for him – if he hits for just a little power, he’ll probably be a second division regular. If he can develop 50 power (12-15 homers a year), he has a very big upside. I don’t know what will happen, but I like him a lot and would not be happy to see him included in a trade deadline deal as he could develop into a fine player just as Michael Bourn did.

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      1. I was shocked at how fast he is once he gets moving. He seems to have a slow first step or two and then he just kicks it into a turbo gear that looks like he’s as fast as Revere or Bourn back in the day. I’m looking forward to seeing him hit a ball in the right center field gap and seeing what he does on the bases. On the downside, he does look like he’s overly aggressive as a hitter in swinging very early in counts. Guess he must have been trained the Phillies way in his development. For kicks, I threw a 93 Phils game on the tv the other day and watched a few innings and watching Dykstra, Kruk, Daulton, and Hollins work pitchers was a thing of beauty. They were all very disciplined at only swinging at the pitch they wanted in the location they wanted. I don’t understand why Charlie and RAJ don’t get the OBP thing, mind boggling to me and so frustrating. Every night look at the pitch count in the 4th inning. Our starter is typically a good 20+ pitches ahead of the opposing starter. There have been numerous games in the past two weeks where the opposing starter has had 30-45 pitches through 3 innings.

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        1. His plate discpline has been very, very good this year. Let’s watch him for a while and let him develop before we conclude that he can’t work a pitcher. Speaking of working a pitcher, does anyone know what happened to Logan Morrison? He’s a guy I’d definitely try to pick up on the cheap. He’s a bad fielder, but his power and plate discpline are extraordinary. He’s a guy who could slot in at first without any difficulty. A very, very nice guy to have around.

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          1. Would be a great reclamation project for someone like Pat Gillick, Ruben may balk.
            He started in AA @ Jacksonville this year but has some physical issues.
            Tweet him:
            Logan Morrison ✔ @LoMoMarlins

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            1. Logan Morrison semms better suited for the AL where he be a very good DH who plays the field sometimes.

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            2. Prior post should be “Logan Morrison seems better suited for the AL where he could be a very good DH who plays the field sometimes” .

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            3. I don’t necessarily disagree, but here’s my view on Morrison. This guy can really hit and he has great plate discipline – he is admittedly horrible in the outfield. He is also still very young. If you had Morrison hanging around and there was some way to get rid of Howard’s contract, Morrison is the type of guy who could step in and flat out rake and get on base. It’s a very low risk and high reward type of move, especially now that he’s coming off a knee injury. Very few players have at bats that are as tenacious as those put up by Morrison. Offensively, he has a big, big upside – like a Chris Davis kind of upside. I’d take a chance on that.

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            4. Agree with you if we can somehow move Ryan Howard’s contract to another team even if we have to pay a large part of it. At this point Morrison must be more mobile than Howard who just clogs the bases up and makes it difficult to score him.

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          2. He was traveling with the Marlins, I saw him in their dugout last time we played. I guess he’s still hurt.

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        2. My rule of thumb on pitch count- Max-12 after one, 29 after 2, 39 after 3, 49 after 4, 59 after 5, 69 after 6, etc. etc, as near par and on average.

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        3. I don’t understand why people say Charlie doesn’t get OBP… He’s not the one who went out and signed these players.

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          1. In fact his whole hitting philosophy preaches getting a good pitch to hit. Plate discipline isn’t all about walking, it’s about knowing your strikezone and getting pitches you know you can hit, kind of like what Domonic Brown is doing.

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            1. Yeah, that’s fair. My only specific knock on Charlie with regards to plate discipline is his green light mentality on 3-0 for almost every hitter. I think giving more of a singles hitter or even a doubles hitter a green light on 3-0 is not always the smartest thing to do. Obviously, it depends on game situation, speed of the hitter, etc. but Charlie seems to give almost a blanket green light to everyone on 3-0 and I’m not a fan of that. But I agree with your main point which is RAJ has brought in the guys that lack those skills and it’s hard if not impossible for a coach or manager to change those behaviors at this point.

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    2. Cesar can hit, you wonder whether his glove would be good enough. With Galvis, it was the other way. He can field, you wonder if he can hit enough.

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  3. Milner has been very solid in his last . In his1st 3 games this year, he was horrible. n 9 1/3 IP, he gave yp 20 hits, 15 runs and 4 HRs. In his last 8, spanning 48 innings, he’s given up 41 hits, 11 runs and 3 HRs. He had 12 Ks and 5 BBs in those first 3 outings and 47 Ks and 10 BBs in his last 8 games. He had 5 BBs in his next to last outing so he has control. It will b interesting to see how he adapts to AA. I’m not rushing him so I don’t think it will be before August and more likely next year. Garner will probably be the 1st call-ups and Arias would have been 2nd but he’s hurt.

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    1. Sorry that was me above. Lightning strike 2 nights ago messed up a lot of things in the house and my PC had to be readjusted.

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      1. Let’s not throw that distinction around lightly … Hamels was a big-leaguer when he was Milner’s age.

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    1. Yeah, he’s confirmed that he does have some power to go with that speed. I’m even more excited to see how he develops.

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  5. Seems that slowly but surely Quinn is adapting to his level. If he ends the year hitting 285/375/435 I’ll be very happy. His K% is dropping, and his power is increasing, both excellent signs.

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    1. You beat me to the punch. His last ten games (which include two homers, by the way), his slash line is 468/632/1100 – wow!!! And this kid is really just learning to switch hit while he also learns to play shortstop. There is zero question in my mind that this is the player in the system who has the greatest odds to develop into a superstar. If puts up a few more months like this month and gets his fielding a little under control, he and Biddle will be neck-and-neck for the best prospect in the system.

      By the way, did you ever notice how many of the Phillies’ historically best position prospects have been second round picks? Schmidt, Rolen, Rollins and Quinn were all second rounders. The amazing thing about Schmidt is that he and George Brett were chosen in the same draft and were back-to-back picks in the second round.

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      1. All the more reason to trade the top pick for a few more seconds…oops wrong sport again!

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    2. If Phillies do select JP Crawford next week as some suggest they will..what happens to Quinn at ss?

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      1. One event has nothing to do with the other. Quinn continues to be the everyday SS at Lakewood for the remainder of this season. Nothing happens to Quinn.

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          1. Quinn stays at shortstop until one of two things happen; Quinn proves he cannot play SS or Crawford proves that he is a better player and forces Quinn off of the position. You let it sort itself out and if they are both major league SS at some point, then you trade one of them for something you need because SSs will always be needed

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          2. IF they select Crawford, and IF he turns into a big-league prospect at that position, and IF Quinn continues his development and sticks at the position, they’d either trade one or move one into a different position to accommodate both in the lineup (i.e. Machado at 3B, Profar at 2B). But there are two many ifs to even guess at this point.

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            1. Mike, that would be a great problem to have if it happens as you can never have enough talent.

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  6. Quinn’s emerging pop is frigging exciting. That means his floor is now a lightning fast CF with power. I don’t even care if he sticks at SS at this point, although of course it would be nice.

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    1. Agree, power changes his floor, i’ll give it another month though before i’m ready to commit to it’s legitimacy (the power that is, not the prospect).

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      1. Yeah I don’t men to jump overboard and start guessing how many home runs he’ll hit, It’s just good to see he’s not Ben Revere in terms of pop.

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        2. “It’s just good to see he’s not Ben Revere in terms of pop.”

          And that’s about all he can take out of his recent HR spree but that’s also a very, very big plus. If he’s a 0-3 HR a year type of player, there’s really a limit to how high of a prospect he’ll ever be. If he could project for 10-12 at the MLB level? Big difference there

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            1. I certainly wouldn’t question that. Great to hear actually. It’s just when you look at his frame you don’t see a guy who would hit 20 hrs. It will be interesting to see where he is 2 years from now after half a season at Reading

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            2. His frame is slightly bigger then Rollins at a comparative age, so there could be 15/20 HR power.

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  7. Did anyone hear about Morgan’s shoulder test results? We could be losing a top 3 prospect for good here folks.

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      1. There is no thing as a pitching prospect

        It is a lazy way of saying that the flameout rate of pitchers is so high there is no sure thing. It also speaks to the point that a pitcher’s stuff likely peaks before they hit the majors and is downhill from there. The idea is that they are just a pitcher not a prospect, an arm is an arm.

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        1. So wait – Nik, are you just asking if we’ve heard anything or are you saying you have and wondering if we have? Cause if you have, please share, and if not, please don’t say terrible things like “losing a top 3 prospect for good” 🙂

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            1. He has been out a while. I think this is more an acknowledgement of the length of time as well as allowing them to bring up another player. It certainly isn’t good but I would much rather they rest a sore shoulder than have him try and pitch

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        2. Speaking of pitcher’s stuff peaking before they hit the majors, has that happened to Pettibone? I remember reports of his fastball touching 95 mph. I haven’t seen anything above 93 in the majors and even that isn’t his norm. So the early reports were either erroneous or he lost a tick of velocity along the way.

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            1. I think he’s touched 94 with the Phillies – I doubt he’s lost anything. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if he gained a tick or two of velocity as he matures and relaxes. Pettibone has definitely been better than I expected – and I don’t just mean the results.

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  8. The Phillies have promoted Mauricio Robles to AAA. If he keeps up what he has been doing he could jump Savery and Diekman in the call up order

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  9. Maybe he replaces the stiffs, Durbin and Horst. Diekmann is just too wild. Salvery I have some hope he replaces Bastardo as left hander out of bullpen. Bastardo drives me nuts. seems he never has a clean inning. Question I have is , Howard to my knowledge is owed about 100 million after this year, if he can move his contract, what do you think we would need to eat.

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    1. I would guess that a team out there might take him at 5-7 million a year (it might be lower that this). Not counting this year he has 3 yrs at 75 million so minimum of of $54 million of contract plus the $10 million buyout, then you says he is owed about 10 million more this year and the Phillies eat 7 of that and you are paying $71 million of the remaining $95million

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      1. Its sunk money. Just think of the Phillies now having a 150 million dollar payroll instead of 175, it makes it a little more bearable to think about.

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      2. I know this isn’t the thread for it, but something I’ve wondered about for some time–why does Howard’s contract matter? If he were traded tomorrow, will everyone else get on base?

        I guess the argument is “you have more money to spend in free agency,” but free agency has been a wasteland in recent years. Even “star” acquisitions don’t always work out–ask the Angels how they feel about building that way.

        The Phillies don’t need salary relief; they need top-line talent. Trading Howard doesn’t get them there.

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        1. The question really isn’t to trade him or not, it’s “can we get more value from another player via trade or in our minor league system?”

          If the answer is yes, he’s either benched or traded. Your call.

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        2. So because some Teams .Went after players who didn’t work out do we stop trying to get better? Howards contract is a bad deal, and if we can unload a part of it. that money could go towards a free agent relief pitcher, or a right handed outfielder. Right now there isn’t much out there in free agency. but things change.

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          1. Howard, over the all-star break, should take $7500, out of this years $25M salary and get LASIK done to 20-15 correctable. What can it hurt! May get to see the spin a fraction sooner.

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    2. I guess you forgot what major league hitters did to Savery the last time he came up for a while.

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      2. It’s always a risk, but he seems to have improved his command and some of his secdonary pitchest, but good God, the bar could not be set any lower than Horst, Durbin and Valdes. Can we risk not giving him a try?

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        1. Yeah, Savery has earned another shot. Especially considering the guys that were ahead of him on the major league team.

          He’s been nearly unhittable this year. He gave up all 9 of his ER in two consecutive appearances. Which means in his other 21.1 IP, he’s allowed 0 ER, 11 hits, 5 BBs, 29 Ks. And his GO/AO rate is up.

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    3. LOL WHAT HAHAHAH SAVERY OVER BASTARDO. AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE NOT RUNNING THE PHILLIES. Seriously, out of all the negatives in the Phililes bullpen you point the finger at Bastardo?

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      1. Damm anonymous. cant believe your that nuts, already mention that Horst and Durbin have to go. Just wish I knew how many clean innings Bastardo has had this season. and I said I would hoped that savery can help us from the left side, I have seen enough of Diekman, he just is too wild like Bastardo.

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    1. Control is the ability to throw for strikes. Command is the ability to locate the ball within the strike zone. Someone with good control but lacking in command may be able to throw his fastball for strikes but only by throwing it down the middle of the zone, whereas someone with good command can paint the corners.

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      1. I should add that in the case of the pitcher with good control but lacking command it is more likely he can throw strikes but cannot predict where in the strike zone the ball will end up.

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  12. Well, there it is… Franco made it to 20 2Bs and 10 HRs, before June. Awesome performance.

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    1. He’s been a beast. That 2-5 in Clearwater is a handful right now. Franco’s obviously the cream of the crop but the other guys look like they might turn into useful pieces…..or trade bait.

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  14. Who is hitting coach at Reading? 11 SO & 1 BB by Reading lineup. All too common this year. On good note: Gillies with two dingers.

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