Box Score Recap 7-26-2012

Box Score Recap

Cameron Rupp with 2 doubles and two walks in 4 trips to the plate.  He’s been hot for a long time.  Check out his pre/post All-Star splits and you’ll see around 120 PAs with increased power and walk rates.  Yes, he is old for the league.  Not much he can do about that except maybe hit Sebastian Valle in the knee with a club.

And this from the GCL – Kevin Walter pitched in a professional baseball game.  Wild.

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115 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 7-26-2012”

    2. That’s a shock… while I see little evidence to show he’s ready, he could be much like some of my staff, challenge him and he steps up… Here’s hoping that’s what happens.

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    3. When I first saw this my jaw dropped. All I could think of was more patient hitters in a less friendly pitching environment for Colvin. Not a good outlook.

      Then I took a look at his last ten games – he has a FIP of 2.55 (if I calculated it right) and a BB/9 of 3.25. It’s a small sample, but it is certainly promising. He is still showing ground ball tendencies, so perhaps the switch to reading won’t be as bad for him as it has been for May and J-Rod. I guess we shall see…

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    4. jmb – have you seen confirmation from any source other than the aforementioned tweet? I ask only because I don’t see any report of Colvin’s promotion in either the FSL or Eastern League transaction report

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      1. Nothing has been “official” from the affiliates. The tweet was from his management agency, whose followerers include Stark, Olney, Callis, and other highly respected baseball writers. I’m fairly inclined to believe it.

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        1. Can’t be official until the Phillies call up Frandsen which seems to be the move since he wasn’t in Lehigh Valley last night and Phillies beat writers saw him in Philly. The Phillies need to waive someone off the 40-man roster to make room for Frandsen so those moves will come out today.

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            1. Well if that’s the case they still need to officially call up Frandsen before the IronPigs and R-Phils can make a move.

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      1. With no outside reason outside of my own best guess — they move Simon into the rotation.

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  2. Duffy again…. forget protecting Dugan in lineup, kick him up to clearwater already… he is abusing pitching in the Sally…
    crosscutters getting it done, ROman quinn….

    looks like the GCL held a softball game last night…..

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    1. i have been watching the phillies minor leagues for a long time, and I can’t recall another player destroying a level like Duffy is. I know he struggled in Clearwater, and is old for the league. But it is possible that he made tweaks after coming down from CLW. Either way, we have seen a lot of guys come down from CLW and none have done what he is doing over this long. Impressive. I am not writing him off yet.

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      2. Michael Taylor destroyed, Lakewood, Clearwater and Reading in quick succession, over a season and a half.

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      3. wow you must not have followed the Phillies minor leagues too long then…

        how about Ryan Howard in Reading?

        how about Cole Hamels in Lakewood (or really any of his minor league stops)?

        Shane Victorino in Scranton?

        And those are just examples of current players on the major league squad.

        Maybe you should go back and look at the numbers guys like Juan Samuel, Darren Daulton, Lonnie Smith, Ron Jones, etc put up.

        Didnt “The Rizz” even put up numbers like this in Clearwater and Reading a few years ago?

        and the awesome thing is that of all the guys i mentioned, none of them put these numbers up as 24 year olds in A- ball.

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        1. Cole Hamels AAA line is absurd. 23 IP, 1 BB, 36K, 10 H, 1 ER. Duffy is leading the league in OPS by .091 over the second place guy though so I don’t see any reason to leave him in the SAL.

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      4. Your replies all listed elite guys. but even against those elite talents, check the stats:
        – Duffy’s BA if higher than Dom’s OB% was at any level
        – Duffy’s LWD stats are better than Taylors were.
        – Ryan Howard had more power, but his hit tool stats were no where close to as good.

        Point is, Duffy is tearing up a league at an elite level. We have had many “too old for his level” guys before, and none have beaten the league like this.

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          1. I am not suggesting Duffy is an elite prospect. Just that his stats are impressive. And that I am not willing to write him off as a “non-prospect” yet due to his age.

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            1. Nor am I. In fact I’m arguing to get him moved up ASAP and see what he can do the last 5/6 weeks of the season.

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        2. Brown dominated AA and AAA as a 22 year old. Trying to compare Duffy’s 200 Ab’s @ LWD @ age 24 isn’t even possible. Saying that he’s tearing up a league he’s several years too old for is “elite” is also a stretch.

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    2. Prior to this year he’s had 1 full season in the minors, hardly time to write him off… that said, I actually might bump him up to Reading and have him skip high A. He’s a 4 year college grad who is showing he’s the best hitter in the league he’s currently placed, to me that deserves a promotion. High A is probably the worst hitting league out there, Reading is more power friendly with better umpires and a less finiky strike zone. Don’t care what they decide to do with him for the remainder of the year, but next year, Reading here he should go… If he suceeds there, he will cement prospect status.

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      1. No disrespect to Duffy – because I am enjoying the fireworks as much as anyone – but until he performs well in an age appropriate league, he is little more than a promising curiosity. Hopefully he can keep it up.

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        1. That’s the point at 24 he needs to be moved up to be challenged . Just because he failed once at Clearwater doesn’t mean we should write him off . Also what super star will he be replacing at Clearwater ?

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      2. I agree with challenging Duffy for a month in a park built for him, see how he responds in a month. It will be good information on him. I don’t think you have to worry about ruining a prospect here. Give him a challenge, some incentive, see if he has progressed as a hitter or if it’s just cleaning up on inexperienced guys. Reminds me of that older slugger two years ago, they moved him to Reading after he hit .300++ for a good while. I think he played n majors ast year in the AL. Name begins with an R.

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        1. LWD is in playoff hunt for the second half. You don’t move up org guys off of those teams, just because it’s ‘fair’.

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          1. WHo really gives a rip about the playoffs in the Sally league??? This is a business, not a rah rah funtime…

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            1. Its more important to give your prospects confidence and possible post-season experience than it is for your organizational filler a move up to a higher level for a month.

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            2. That may be true, but I don’t think that the Phils have defined Duffy as “org filler” as of yet and therefore there is no reason not to move him up for the remainder of the season into a more age appropriate league and see what he can do.

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            3. His age-appropriate league at 24 is AAA and knocking on the door of the majors, not low-A ball. He 100% clearly is viewed as ‘org filler’.

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            5. As a first baseman, yes he is. If he is able to play adequate LF, then he might slip into the back end of a top30 list.

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  3. Two days in a row with a HR and a SB for Hiciano in the DSL. Andy B highlighted him as someone to watch in his last Latin American roundup.

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    1. Like his size at 6’1″ and 205/210 lbs…turns 19 in January, hope to see him stateside next year.

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    2. It seems like he has an RBI everyday…14 SBs, 4 HRs and as anon1 mentions, he has size and age in his favor. If he moves to say WPT next summer, he’ll be age appropriate for that league. Intriguing for sure.

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      1. I was actually a little concerned with the size. Guys that are 6’1″ and 210 at 18 become 240+ by the time they are in their mid-20s. But it sure looks like he can play and is still on the younger side for the league.

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  4. Rupp….Joe Jordan likes him a lot. Close, like in horseshoes, to the number one ‘c’ in the system.

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    1. I believe that, next year, Kratz will be the back-up catcher in Philly (talk about “earning” something), Valle will be in AAA, Rupp will be in AA and, if Rupp does well, he will skip AAA altogether and be the back-up in 2014 while Valle continues to develop. Slowly but surely, the future catching situation and the third base issues are beginning to resolve themselves.

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      1. Let Valle stay another year in AA. Catchers take longer than any other position to develop. He really hasn’t done anything that warrants a promotion. Strikes out 26% of the time and is carrying a .272 OBP.

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      2. I hope so Catch. I was actually hoping that would be the case this year. Nothing against Schneider, but I understand that Kratz is at least passable as a receiver and his bat would be a nice compliment to Ruiz.

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        1. The alternative would be for Rupp and Valle to share time in AA early next year and promote Rupp to AAA as soon as he shows he can hit. But, if you do that, you really risk having Valle “check out.” Frankly, I think Valle’s big issue is plate discipline, more than anything else. He might be able to work through that in two years at AAA. I have no expectation that Valle would be ready before 2015.

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          1. I think Valle will be brought up much like Ruiz/Lieberthal. In September 2013 call up Valle to be 3rd Catcher. In 2014 have him backup Ruiz. In 2015 Have Ruiz backup Valle. I may be off by a year but it would be the most logical option

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        2. I seem to recall hearing that Kratz can play first . If true, Kratz could also back up first base, while providing some power off the bench. This could allow the Phillies to carry three catchers or an extra player somewhere else.

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          1. Am I the only one on the give Tuffy Gosewisch, a Tim Gradoville call up in September. They must think something of him because he calls a good game, and has been invited to ST since 2008…. and yes I just made a Tim Gradoville reference

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            1. Isn’t his .195/ .247/ .315 a small hurdle in his quest to the MLB? I’m not sure “calling a good game”, whatever that actually may be, is enough to push his .562 OPS over the line.

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            3. He is a great defensive catcher. No bat but pitchers love to throw to him. He is a great leader in the field. He is a younger better Brian Schneider. Could see Tuffy get the September call if Schneider is let go.

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  5. We’ve seen Asche’s power jump when he got to Reading (ISO went from .098 to .185 in a SSS size). I wonder how Rupp’s power would translate.

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    1. Probably pretty well. A guy like Hewitt will be helped also. He could be a 25 HR guy in Reading easily if he can cut the strikeouts a bit. Still might hit .230, but .230 with 25 HR is something.

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  6. @Mark could point on Rupp’s power. Whens the last time the Phils had 2 potential major league catchers at AA and AAA?? With Valle and Rupp next year..
    I think its def time to bump up Dugan and Duffy to Clearwater for the rest of the season, but that point has been made countless times before.

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    1. Marson and Jaramillo? Granted Jaramillo always looked like a backup catcher, and at this point it seems like Rupp and Valle both have a higher ceiling than that.

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  7. Roman Quinn… wow. Rough night for T. Greene.
    Love that Walding is hitting 2nd, getting 5 ABs a night.

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    1. Tyler Greene is a mess at the plate and has been all season. They had a 6-run inning against Lowell, in which ten batters came to the plate, and Greene had the two only unproductive outs of the inning.

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      1. Mostly just looks lost at the plate, as if he’s decided before the pitch whether he swings or not

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  8. GCL-
    Delvi Francisco 1.2 IP with 3 strikeouts. Far as I know, went to Spring Training as an OF, was injured and returned as a Pitcher. But, figure they worked on it with him a few times before, but not much experience as a pitcher, so they might be able to re-configure a few things around with him and have a good arm to work with. The pitcher who followed , Carlos Best, also started as and OF, and another GCL pitcher, Luis Paulino started career as 3B.

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  9. Duffy because of his age I would jump right to AA and make him sink or swim and Ruf because of his age I would move to AAA and see if he continues to hit. Unfortunately Ruf could have the Rizz curse which is not good enough defensively to play anywhere else but 1B.

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  10. Brad – did I pickup a Tanya Harding reference there? How appropriate with the opening ceremonies today.

    I don’t know what else to say about Duffy that hasn’t already been said, though I think we could start applying the same argument to William Carmona who is dominating the GCL as a 21yr old, though in his first taste of pro ball. Move these guys up already. Carmona should skip the NYPL all together.

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    1. Oh yes, that was a Harding/Kerrigan reference, in the Olympic Spirit. Hmm…Olympic Spirit is probably not the right term for that.

      I am anti-Duffy to AA since he had so much trouble in his A+ debut. But if they’re going to play Ruf in LF, then you can move Murphy to AA, Duffy to A+, Serritella to A- and Carmona to Williamsport today if you wanted. Being the end of the month, it’s a nice artificial “good time” for promotions, so maybe we’ll see this whole 1B thing play out over the next couple days.

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  11. Another passed ball for Lino. Thank god we have on the ground intel on these guys because there’s nothing from the boxscores that screams prospects when I monitor Lino.

    Sounds like a pretty wild first outing for Walters: 3 hits, 1 run and 2ks. I remember Cosart having mixed results his first day in the GCL as well.

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  12. Maikel Franco seems to have finally figured out this level. His post All-star break slash: 34 games, 141 PAs, .318 avg, .367 OBP, .477 SLG, .845 OPS.

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    1. The walks and the power are huge. We have to remember he is only 19 – this is a great performance for a 19 year old in a full season league. The kid can hit.

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      1. I remember Bill Conlin called him the real thing and ranked him third of all Phillie prospects…and that was back in April 2011. Say what you want about Bill Conlin and his personal life, but he knew baseball and he knew prospects.

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    2. Good to see, but he definately stays here for the remainder of the year. I’d really like to see that sucess continue for in a bump up next year. He’ll be a 20 year old in clearwater, a full 3 years younger then the average. He’s definately a big time prospect in this system and if he can pull those slash lines next year for the entire year he’ll end up in the BA top 50.

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      1. Agreed. He should stay in Lakewood. His promotion last year didn’t go very well so one level a year type of promotions is probably the right speed for now.

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      2. Maybe a taste of Clearwater at the end of the year wouldn’t hurt, but I agree that there’s no harm in keeping him where he’s at for now. Let him continue to rake for a little while before he needs to adjust to new pitchers again.

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  13. Bryan Morgado starting for GLC Phils today. No doubt to get some work in as opposed to a conversion to a starter. To be honest I had forgotten about him as he hasn’t pitched in two months. Hope we see him back in the Threshers’ pen in the coming weeks

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  14. I’m sure I could find this easily enough, but I’m also sure someone here knows the answer: has Quinn been caught stealing yet?

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    1. He has been picked off a few times, and has one caught stealing on a pitchout, though the announcers mentioned that it appeared he was safe on that play. He has not had a truly traditional “gotten thrown out” yet.

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      1. Thanks. I was wondering if he was one of those guys that you just can’t throw out unless you pitch out/pick off. Guess so. Can’t wait to see him play.

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        1. Funny thing is, I don’t think he’s a great base-stealer yet. He gets some bad jumps at times, but can make up for it with pure speed. Rickey Henderson and Vince Coleman were base-stealers with exceptional speed. I think Quinn can eventually be that. Let’s be honest, speed makes up for a lot of things. He’s stolen a couple bases standing up this year, much to the ire of Andy Tracy. He’s a good base-stealer right now with the potentiall to be really, really good. But as with anything else in Quinn’s game it’s all about repetition.

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  16. Jon Pettibone on BA Hot Sheet

    No. 10 JON PETTIBONE, RHP
    PHILLIES

    Team: Double-A Reading (Eastern)
    Age: 21
    Why He’s Here: 2-0, 0.71, 2 GS, 12 2/3 IP, 8 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 13 SO
    The Scoop: Pettibone’s success in the Florida State League a year ago has carried over to this season, and the 21-year-old rebounded from an unexceptional April (1-3, 4.33) with three straight solid months. After a tremendous June (3-0, 1.67), Pettibone opened July with a poor start against Richmond but he has since strung together three excellent starts, out-dueling Pirates prospect Gerrit Cole on Wednesday night to pick up his ninth win of the season

    Adam Morgan on the Helium Watch

    When the Phillies drafted Alabama lefthander Adam Morgan in the third round of the 2011 draft, they knew they were taking a risk. At his best, Morgan showed excellent stuff in college, but he just as often was trying to survive with fringy stuff and poor control. The Phillies appear to have figured out how to get the good Morgan on the mound much more often than the bad one this year. Morgan has held his velocity more frequently—touching 93 mph—and he’s paired that with an excellent changeup that’s made him one of the better pitchers in the Florida State League. Pitching for Clearwater, the 22-year-old went 1-0, 1.29 this week with 13 strikeouts in seven innings of work.

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    1. Good to see both of them on the hot sheet, I was surprised that Asche wasn’t at least in the team photo though with a .409 4HR 8RBI week

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    2. That’s excellent news on Morgan. First time I’ve seen anything that positive written about his stuff.

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    3. Interesting report on Morgan. Touching-93 wouldn’t be bad, but reports I’ve read seem to indicate he was touching 94-95, which would mean he was sitting 91-93, depending on the start. Touching 93 suggests he is sitting 90-91, which would really having him looking more like a #3/4 guy, at best.

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      1. Not that 3/4 would be bad, by any stretch. But I feel as resident bus driver of the Morgan fan club, I was hoping the reports of increased velocity would have his upside as a 2/3.

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        1. I agree, but his control would really have to be impeccable and he’d have to have 1 or 2 other solid pitches. I was thinking of Morgan as more of a #4/5, so painting his upside as a #3 is great news to me.

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          1. Finally Adam Morgan footage has surfaced. Here is one of his 13 K’s from last week courtesy of Baseball Betsy:

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    1. I am interested to see the scouting report on some of these kids after GCL. May be too soon to tell.

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      1. +111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111

        It’s huge… we haven’t had this level of quality in our minor league complex at middle infield positions in almost a decade. (J-Roll + Utley)…

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          1. Well we were kinda talking about all of them – T Greene, Walding, Quinn, Z Green, etc. But whatever.

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            1. Guessing Nik’s point being that a bunch of kids in short season ball are exciting, but putting too much faith in them this early is a recipe for heartbreak. They’ll get hurt, or traded, or they’ll just not play well.

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          2. “Come on, its the GCL. Lets wait until these guys are tested a little.” coming from the guy who used to update us on Cozens stats every day.

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        2. i think you’re memory may be off.

          j-roll and utley were never really in the minors together.

          utley was drafted in 2000 and signed in july and rollins made his debut with phillies in september of 2000 and never retruned to the minors.

          so yeah, they spent about 50 days in the minors together, rollins in scranton, and utley in batavia

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          1. Was this really necessary? All he meant was that the minors haven’t had adquately talented middle infielders since the days of Jimmy and Chase.

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      1. He is in line for the ‘Morgan-Wright’ treatment — double jump to start next year in CLW.

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  21. Zack Green at shortstop again!…with some hits. Who was it that said he’d never be tried at SS?

    And that I was crazy for suggesting that?

    Trying him there is smart ! in that 1- he brings righty power to the position; 2-he would be in “friendly” competition for the MLB SS position with Quinn. With his power, should Quinn win the face-off, he could move to 2nd base or LF or 3rd base, too.

    ZGreen is a great piece to have and follow because so many of the promising field prospects are lefty hitters.

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