Box Score Recap 7-21-2012

Other Stuff

Jesse Biddle takes care of business.  I almost said Biddness.  Which would have been terrible. 

Also of note, Larry Greene 2-3, bb, 2b, HR, Edgar Duran with 2 HR, and back-to-back ninth inning jacks from Pullin and Carmona in GCL, both their first as professionals.  And hey, follow me on twitter if you like.  I sometimes post about the minors, sometimes about the big club, sometimes about other randomness, but not so much you’ll hate me for it…well…probably not. @bxe1234

LV  REA  CLR  LKW ppd  WIL  GCL  DSL ppd VSL

91 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 7-21-2012”

  1. Don’t lie, you wrote Biddness before correcting yourself.

    I hope Larry Greene is still on his hot streak when I see him in Lowell this week.

    Like

    1. The only positive from the draft changes is how much sooner guys are seeing action. I love it.

      Like

  3. Douglas Parada gave up 7 ER in 1.2 innings for the VSL team and his ERA on the season is still only 1.60. I don’t really follow the complex leagues closely but he must have been having one heck of a season.

    Like

    1. He’s an old pro compared to the league. He threw a no hitter last time and has been pretty dominant most of the year. Can’t recall a start as bad as he had today.

      Like

      1. Probably threw more pitches in the no-no than he ever had in a game–often the extra pitches seem to affect starters in their next game.

        Like

  4. Tyler Greene is hitting a Team Leading .323 last 10 games. The average was under.140. Now the best defensive player on the team is showing a little soirit.

    Like

    1. Certain factions are not impressed by that .323 thing, and will only view this game as 0 walks and a strikeout. They will point the finger at this and his cumulative season walk to strikeout ratio , and his career walk to strikeout ratio, they will point the finger at this also. And , if T. Greene is still playing at age 30 and beyond, they will point the finger at these stats as part of his career minor league walk to strikeout ratio, because cumulative career records from no matter how far back , or the level of experience, are Very Important, you know. They like to point the finger.

      Like

      1. Marfis, you crack me up – your consistent mis-characterization of the positions of those who disagree with you, combined with stubborn refusal to acknowledge some simple truths about baseball.

        First of all, the correct description of the position that most of us knowledgeable fans hold regarding Greene is that his K rate is worrisome, but it is way too early to give up on him as a prospect. He certainly could overcome his current problems, and his upside is still quite high.

        But as for the past 10 games, please tell me you aren’t serious. This is not a case of a knowledgeable observer saying that he has been (say) swinging the bat better over the past 10 games, having better at bats, whatever). No, this is simply a very small data set – 32 AB – over which he happens to have 10 hits. If his K rate had gone down along with it, we might put some weight on it, though not much. 10 games is nothing. But he’s still striking out almost 40% of the time (12 Ks in 32 AB). If/when he REALLY starts to show something with the bat, I’ll be the first to acknowledge it. But in the meantime, it’s silly to get excited over a 10 game BA spike.

        But coming from the guy who still thinks Hewitt is going to be an all star, I’m not surprised. (See what I did there?)

        Like

        2. . . . and a 41.7 K rate since his demotion to Williamsport (‘demotion’ to be taken lightly). And during his recent 10-game ‘surge’ his K rate has dropped all the way to 37.5%. Tyler has plenty of years before we start writing him off as a prospect, but the past 10 games is hardly something to celebrate.

          Like

    1. Yep , Cody on base 6 times last two games… L Greene on base 3/4 times yesterday with a Double..

      Like

      1. I wonder if the Phils drafted Collier first and then Hewitt where they drafted Collier, would we talk about Hewitt half as much? I remember James being unhappy with the Hewitt choice because he wanted Collier in that slot but when they drafted Collier with the next pick, he was happy once again.

        Like

        1. No. We wouldn’t mention Hewitt anywhere near as much if that was the case. Also, I think you are mistaken about James’ preference for Collier in that spot. I remember the thought that he really didn’t want either rumored player in the 1st round, but would be fine if they took Collier in the supplemental round. He thought Hewitt was a ridiculous pick either way.

          Like

        2. I’ve seen it described here, that he is derided more, because it was obvious to everone, even the fans, that he was a bad pick.
          For context: In 2008, Harold Martinez was draft eligible from HS, along with Hewitt, Collier and Anthony Gose(2nd round). If the Phillies had selected Harold Martinez in the 1st round, James and everbody else here would have celebrated it as a great pick. Now, in 2012, Martinez is in the same position as Hewitt, behind Collier and Gose is in the Majors. The fans are critical of management for picking Hewitt, but the fans pick could have been just as bad.

          Like

          1. At the time the was a lot of frustration that the Phills were using too many of their high picks on “Tools” players like Greg Golson who were obviously gifted athletes but didn’t seem to have great baseball instincts. Most scouting reports on Hewitt seemed to describe him as exactly that kind of player, hence the low opinion of the pick. When the team seemingly goes against what the entire press is saying it can make the team look brilliant or foolish, in this case it hasn’t worked out. So yes, rightly or wrongly, they would have drawn less ire for taking a more highly regarded player even if it didn’t work out.

            Like

            1. Hewitt was ranked well by BA–they like “toolsy” guys, too. But it was evident to many of us that Hewitt had failed to dominate the weak competition in the Northeast, had trouble making consistent contact, and was a year older than most HS seniors, which spells trouble for a project-type player. Most folks here don’t object to “toolsy” players, just toolsy guys who have demonstrated a lack of baseball skills like strike zone judgment, pitch recognition, and contact rate..

              Like

  7. Larry Greene with a line drive, opposite field double, a HR to center, and a walk he drew after being down in the count, 0-2. He seems to be a much more advanced hitter than how he was described, when drafted.

    Like

    1. It would be really nice to see LGreene and/or Cousins rapidly advance through the system. Phils haven’t had a young position player break in since Rollins.

      Like

    2. Greene, Jr wasn’t advertised as not advanced, he was advertised as having played against poor competition. He certainly looks good so far. Logan Moore quietly up to 255. Dom with an RBI double too.

      Like

  8. I like that they moved Asche to the two spot in the order. Nice outing by Biddle, should put him on BA’s prospect hot sheet. Brown has become a doubles machine, nice to see consistency. Hewitt is the most inconsistant player I have ever followed.

    Like

      1. Greene or the writer? IMO, the writer is overly focused on the lack of HR, but Greene seems to have exactly the right focus (from what we can tell, given the writer’s lack of appropriate focus).

        Like

          1. The article does mention the size of the park, and adds ‘it takes more power to hit one out there than CBP’.

            Like

    2. This article shows just how misunderstood minor league baseball is and how uneducated the Philly beat writers are, maybe Murphy aside. I love the closing line ” Still just one homerun?” Do they realize that when you draft a guy from high school it will take 4-5 years for them to develop? Its not like football where you can draft a guy and expect them to contribute the next season.

      Like

      1. exactly right. Power usually comes last anyway. Glad Greene is focused on contact and plate discipline, not swinging for the fences. The power will come.

        Like

      2. Larry Greene has highest OBP and OPS of anyone, 20 or under, in the NYPenn league. Getting close to the magical 150 plate appearances, that triggers statistical significance.

        Like

      3. I think this writer is a free-lancer, do not recognize his name as a philly beat writer.

        Like

  11. I’ve noticed Cloyd’s pitch count always seems low, as in the 80’s. I’m not tracking his PC by any means, just something I have noticed. I’d like to see him pitch into the 7th and 8th more frequently, but he’ll never accomplish this on such a low pitch count.

    Anyone have any insights at to the coaching staff’s strategy here?

    Like

  12. Cesar Hernandez and Leandro Castro have really come down to Earth recently. It was too be expected though. Castro is such a free swinger. I caught an AB of his in the All-Star game and he was just swinging hard and off balanced.

    Like

    1. I really hope Cesar breaks out of his slump soon. It’s the first time since early on this year I remember him being under .300. He’s got a shot to have a strong season wire to wire- something we don’t see with many of our prospects.

      Like

    1. Ruf hasn’t even gotten to AAA yet. Why should he be given the chance at LF starting next year? Doesn’t he still have to prove he can actually play the OF competently first. The only way he should even get a chance at all is if the Phillies trade Pence and Victorino and everyone else. I’d rather see Gillies have a shot than Ruf.

      Like

      1. maybe at earliest july 2013, but he would have to put up 2012 reading numbers in 2013 with lhv

        Like

    2. Ruf/Brown/Pence in the outfield and I would hate to be a Phillies pitcher.
      (But in my opinion, if Ruf is still in LF next year, it’s almost certainly at AAA).

      Like

    2. And another hit after that. I think that Asche is not getting enough credit. He has jumped FOUR levels sine the end of last year and he wasn’t any good in the minors last year. That’s amazing even for a college player. When you jump like that sometimes the stats don’t accurately reflect your burgeoning skills. This, I believe, is the case with Asche. I still expect him to appear in major league games next year – perhaps only in September. I can’t wait to see him in AAA where virtually all of his starts will be on video.

      Like

        1. If he can get his BA up to around .250 and OBP to like .325-.335 by the end of the year we should all be happy. Asche is certainly someone who I can’t think many expected much out of after the end of last year. Hopefully he can keep progressing.

          Like

      3. Didn’t he jump three levels? williamsport last year, then skipped lakewood and got promoted from clearwater to reading. Even with three levels, your point is well taken.

        Like

      4. Well the four level jump is why I didn’t let the poor start in Reading effect my evaluation of him – but it’s still too early, with not enough positive information, to project him in the majors. It could happen, of course, but IMO more likely in 2014 if it does. I see him as likely to spend all or most of next year in Reading, But if he can get back to his A+ contact rate, continue showing some power, work on the BB rate a bit (already a bit better in Reading, still a SSS), stay at third base – all very possible – he’ll be looking like quite a nice prospect. Still will be only 23 (almost 24) int he spring of 2014.

        I would say the slow start at Reading should have squashed talk of 2013 (at least pre-September 2013), except that 2013 IMO that was never realistic, even before the poor start in Reading. September 2013 is not ridiculous, but IMO still likely premature.

        Like

          1. I wonder if the Phillies will send Asche to the AFL this fall! He would be as good a candidate as any and would certainly be beneficial for him.

            Like

  15. Following Asche from the beginning of the season has been worthwhile especially after his lousy results in ’11. Because of his adjustment to AA pitchers as may be now going on, the Phils front office must evaluate his status quickly to help figure out whether he could fill 3b at the ML level, and if so how soon.

    All because of the present gaping hole at the position now. We wish that he were one more seasoned year of pro ball on his resume. And we know that some significant trades are likely to happen before the deadline. Question is: do we not try for a 3rd baseman in a trade or is Asche close enough?

    At this season’s beginning, I “daresay” that none here would think that he’d reach this level of consideration in ’12. He deserves great credit for the challenging road he’s traveled in a short 3 1/2 months. If that is a reflection of his skills and talents, it is also an indication of character of the determination kind.

    Like

      1. That would be best possible scenario. I could never imagine the Phillies having a log jam at third. By the way, Is Asche pronounced Ash or Ashy?

        Like

    2. There’s an option on Polanco’s contract for next year, right? This time next season we should have a pretty good idea how legit a prospect Asche is, even though he probably won’t be ready to contribute in the majors.

      Like

      1. The way they’re aggressively promoting Asche tells me that they view him as a legit prospect. I’d imagine Polly keeps the corner warm for him and — if his development continues — we see him in Philly in 2014.

        Like

        1. If they have Polanco keeping the position warm, I would hope it is at a cut salary. I can’t imagine he warrants another year at the same salary. What would his bargaining power be, other than just wanting to be somewhere else? I doubt he will get much on the open market.

          Like

  16. In an email to his hometown newspaper, The Kamloops (B.C.) Daily News, Tyson Gillies apologized for the incident. “What I did was wrong,” Gillies, 23, told the paper. “I let my emotions get the best of me and said some things to our bus driver that I shouldn’t have.”

    Like

    1. Benny Looper: “we hope to have him back in two weeks.” Terrible he missed a couple weeks for something this stupid, but still time to have a strong finish and put it behind him.

      Like

      1. Man, you would think this guy would just keep his head down, work hard and pray for good health. Incidents like these should not surprise me, but they still do. This is an injury plagued AA prospect with a significant blemish of the off field variety and he still has an attitude? Ugghh……..

        Like

  17. Juan Morillo throws 10 of 13 pitches for strikes… I must be reading that wrong. I would love to see him throw enough strikes to get him back to the big leagues. 100+ FB is crazy for a non prospect in AA

    Like

  18. I don’t know if it’s been mentioned here yet, but Mike Newman from Scouting the Sally and Fangraphs was lauding Mitch Walding with praise during his prospect chat the other day.

    When asked, “What makes Walding one of your top prospects?”, he answered: “I’m just enamored with the swing. I teased the video because I’ll be writing about him for tomorrow. No reason to spill my guts when you can read 600-800 words from me in the next 24-hours.”

    Like

    1. Quick bat, nice hands, quick throws from third. If he stays healthy he could be a strong corners player (1B,3B, LF, RF)

      Like

    2. compact swing, load well (just always wanted to say that since i see so many on here use that term 🙂

      Like

  20. saw the Williamsport game on Saturday. The HR L Greene hit was an absolute bomb. Hit it to Right Center, just past the light tower. The light tower in State College is right behind the fence, and the ball went past the light tower about half way up. Ball probably went 440′ plus or minus 20′

    Was very impressed by T Greene’s 2nd at bat. Had a runner on 2nd with no outs. They did not give him the bunt sign, and he noticable shortened his swing to hit the ball to the right side. The hit was just a little flare to the opposite field, but it was nice to see the little things executed well. With regard to the above comments where he was referred to as the best defensive player on the team…if that is true it may be simply by default. Earlier in the year the team defense was atrocious. The defense on Satuday was so much better,

    Serritella was robbed of a homerun in his first at bat of the night on a really nice play by the Spikes RF.

    Perez cruised through the early innings and gave up the runs after weird circumstances. With two outs, the Spikes player hit a weak groundball to the left side of the infield…3rd out. After the Cutters cleared the field, the Spikes manager argued the ball hit the batter while still in the box. The umps got together, changed the out to a foul ball. Cutters manager then argued for about 5 minutes. Have no idea how he didn’t get rung for arguing that long. Cutters then retook the field, Perez was given warmup pitches with the long delay, and then gave up several hits to give up his first runs.

    Like

  21. Nice games for Greene and Cozens … it’s almost like the front office knows what they’re doing when they evaluate these guys. And then you look at Anthony Hewitt’s line and … I stand corrected! It’s a great day for Project Slugger (or perhaps I should say, the slugger projects).

    An interesting list from MLBTR: the reverse standings: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings2012

    As things shape up today, the Phillies would have the 8th pick in the draft next year. I’m not saying it’s any consolation … BUT it will make for a very different–and much more interesting–draft discussion around here next year if they end up with a pick like that. When was the last time the Phillies had a pick in the Top 10? Gavin Floyd in 2001, right?

    Like

    1. Correct me if I am wrong, but they can still sign a pretty good FA and that pick is protected since it is that high….they do however lose the next or later round pick I believe.

      Like

      1. I think you are right. I think that would be a BIG benefit that sometimes is overlooked. If the Phils are going to miss the playoffs, they might as well REALY miss them. : )

        Like

  22. Gillies was emotional, the source said, because he had reinjured his troublesome hamstring just days after returning from a concussion that had sidelined him for seven weeks. Gillies berated the bus driver but did not physically hurt him.
    – MATT GELB / INQUIRER

    This would mean that Gillies is injured Again

    Like

  23. BA…7/20/2012…JJ Cooper—- Dom Brown can still hit some. He can’t play defense in the OF.

    Like

  24. Wow we are eighth right now in next years draft, but only 2 games from fourth, thats great, and if we do some of the trades talked about. like victorino, hamels. blanton. pence, we would maybe have at shot at maybe number 1 or 2. good job ruben

    Like

Comments are closed.