Box Score Recap 7-20-2012

Box Score Recap

Nice line from Pettibone.  Franklyn Vargas with 5 no-hit innings.  Kenny Giles Ks 7 in 3 perfect innings.  Wow.  He wins.

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80 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 7-20-2012”

  1. Hey, Lakewood scores 8 runs and Chris Duffy is the only one without a hit. That’s surprising. Good to see that Altherr, Dugan and Franco were at the center of it. Dugan just continues to be on fire. And Lakewoods starter, Moises Rivas, has now pitched in the VSL, GCL, FSL and SAL this year.

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    1. Yeah, Dugan’s OPS is just shy of .850, his K rate is high (26+%), but his walk rate is good enough at just shy of 10%, and his ISO is a pretty nice .182. August in Clearwater, maybe?

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      1. Yeah, I think he’s about earned a promotion. He was having a solid season before but his July OPS is 1.118.

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  2. Great to see Asche with multi hit game and dinger. Giles line is pretty nasty. Knigge will need to make few adjustments at next level.

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    1. I hear ya, it’s the first one I go to every night. A lot of exciting prospects. The last month or so in Lakewood has been nice to watch too. For a while there no one was hitting.

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  4. Looks like Perci Garner is starting to fizzle out as a prospect even though he still has time to turn it around, he just isn’t wowing anybody

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    1. Way too early to give up and Garner, IMO. He’s been pitching much better of late, though obviously he stunk up the joint last night.

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    2. When I look at Garner and others who nare learning the trade, I have learned from reading this site that I need to look at them in the context of major league pitchers who have learned how to repeat their motion and get into the rhythm of pitching. The minors hjave many pitchers with ability. They are learning how to pitch in rhythm to spots in the strike zone or just out of it where the particular batter has trouble making contact. That is a long process. Patience is the mantra when we are watching these exceptionally talented young men learn their trade. The percentage good enough to play professionally in the minors is small. The percentage who are elite pitchers is miniscule. Garner has missed much time. He needs patience. The Phillies seem to be good at offering this; i.e., Chance Chapman, Tyson Brummett, Chris Kissock, Jake Dieckman, some of whom have proven that the wait is worth it.

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    3. I would change this statement to say that this shuts the door on Garner being a starting pitching prospect (he just isn’t consistent enough). I think they continue starting him the rest of the year to get him reps but I expect to see him in the CLW pen next year with the ability to move quickly (think Bonilla this year).

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      1. he doesnt have enough innings to judge him. He is so far behind due to picking up baseball late and some injuries we dont know what we have

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        1. (That was me above as Anonymous) You don’t get more of a sample size on a guy his age. If he didn’t have the same stuff you could see him toil as a starter, but the plan always seemed to be try him as a starter and if that fails he is a fast moving reliever. He may be new to baseball but this isn’t 19-20 year old kid still maturing, he is a finished product physically you can’t afford to keep him as a starter.

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          1. Guys, calm down. I posted the other day about a scout talking about pitchers working on things, and I think Puddinhead above says some very wise things about the development of pitchers.

            I go to many minor league games each year when I’m back east, and out west where I live now in CA and AZ including some AFL games and I try to talk to as many scouts and baseball people as I can because I clearly don’t see the details that they see in working with the mechanics of both hitters and pitchers.

            The one comment I’ve heard multiple times from different scouts over the years is you never give up on a kid with a good arm. Pitching is about constant alterations in the minor leagues, from leg kick, to where they start on the rubber, to arm slot, to grips on pitches, to trying new pitches, to weight distribution in the windup, etc. A scout told me years ago about young pitchers – “any young pitcher could be just one minor adjustment from it all clicking” and that is why teams don’t give up on young pitching.

            I know everyone wants to over-react to a bad outing or two, or consistenly inconsistent outings, but that is very normal and not at all unusual. There is no reason to do anything with Perci Garner at this point but to keep working with him on a daily basis and trying to help him get better.

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  5. Kelly Dugan has exceptional contact and slugging potential. The future is bright on the farm

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  6. Seriously, how is it even possible Hewitt has that many errors as an outfielder?
    Great to see Asche settling in and Valle with a HR

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    1. Like to see Asche’s line over the his last 50 or so PAs. I know his first 30/35 PAs were abysmal. He seems to be gathering himself now.

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      1. His line over his last 68 PA (July) is better than his first 30 PA in Reading (June), but still nothing to write home about. Ironically, his K% and LD % were better in June. And glancing at the game log, he does seem to be striking out a lot less the past week, so that’s encouraging. Of course, all of these are very SSSs.

        Looking at his overall Reading numbers, still a SSS, his K rate is much worse than it was in Clearwater, his BB rate actually a little better (not much), his ISO better, his LD % is worse. While the declining LD% partially explains the much lower BA, I think it’s safe to assume his struggles in Reading have been accentuated by some bad BIP luck. Eyeballing it, his BA differential between the two places is maybe 1/4 declining LD%, 1/4 higher K rate, 1/4 good BIP luck in Clearwater, and 1/4 bad BIP luck in Reading.

        I haven’t downgraded my opinion of his potential based upon his Reading performance, but then I wasn’t as knocked out by his Clearwater performance as some people were.

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  7. Good night by many of the legit prospects. Pettibone, Asche, Colier, Franco, Altherr, Giles, Tocci, Dugan… Best start by young Vargas, great to see. Tocci isn’t even 17 yet… Knigge had first bad night, let’s see how well he rebounds.
    Downer – we don’t know how long Gillies will be suspended for arguing with bus driver and I have no idea why Dom didn’t play last night. He couldn’t have been tired, I sure hope he didn’t reinsure his knee.

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  8. Gillies has such good tools – enough to be a major leaguer. wish he would stop acting like one..

    His behavior may cost him a career..

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    1. My sense is that Gillies is an angry young man. I think he feels like he should be close to majors if not for all the injuries and he’s angry because of it. The phils are trying to help him mature I think(hope). He has a ton of talent and exudes energy and a love for the game but he has to learn to manage his disappointment better.

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      1. I don’t think we should be psychoanalyzing the players. This site is supposed to be about reasoned analysis of prospects, and trying to guess their personalities based on almost exactly no real information doesn’t seem to fall under any definition of reasoned analysis, especially when these alleged personality defects haven’t affected his on-field performance as a prospect.

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      2. There’s a big difference between someone being “an angry young man” (which sounds like they’re troubled), and being frustrated by a frustrating situation. The latter is quite understandable.

        I hope he overcomes the adversity.

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  10. Is it me, or have their been a lot of triples being hit on the farm lately? Tromp, Altherr, Hewitt … even Franco, who according to reports has feet made from concrete.

    Pullin just keeps on hitting, doesn’t he?

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      1. And it was an absolute bomb to right center, probably 420 ft. LG showed good wheels legging out a opp field double in the first. Impressive plate discipline.

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  13. Pullin with 1st HR as a professional today. Tocci and Cozens each with hits. Tocci getting his hits, and not striking, out at age 16.

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      1. I like Tocci as much as the next guy, but that’s a bit strong. Harper was on the cover of SI when he was Tocci’s age.

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      2. Neither, both are unique talents. Your best case scenario is a Gold Glove CF, with good speed, who hits for a small amount of power. You are looking at an All-Star who is incredibly valuable but not a superstar.

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        2. He’s a 16 year old holding his own in rookie ball. I wouldn’t put a ceiling on him just yet. It’s really early, but it’s quite possible he turns into a superstar.

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            3. In general, the chances of anybody in the minors becoming a superstar are at that percentage. That goes for Tocci or Larry Greene as much as it goes for Jurickson Profar or Wil Myers. Lest we forget that two years ago, Dom Brown a top-five MiLB prospect and our next homegrown superstar.

              As for Tocci himself, what do we really have to go on but a few scouting reports and the fact that the Phillies paid him a nice bonus? And if you’re going to talk to me about a young kid playing well in the Gulf Coast League, don’t forget that D’Arby Myers put up an OPS of almost 800 at 17 there five years ago. What are *his* superstar odds?

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            4. Have you seen him play or watch him in a workout or take batting practice? I’ve seen him take BP, and I can assure you, for what my opinion is worth, he will be in my top 5 of this organization’s prospects. I don’t know what his chances are of being a superstar but I can assure you it’s greater than 0%.

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            5. Does he show a lot of power in BP?

              I’m curious, because it seems that power is the one thing he’s been missing so far.

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            6. He’s six-foot-two but skinny as a rail. He certainly has plenty of time to grow and fill out, but I don’t think power’s a tool at this point.

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            7. That was my perception as well, but Buddy commented that his BP was impressive, so I was wondering if he was showing power there.

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            8. He’s very skinny as you mentioned and what I heard was if his body develops like it should, he’ll end up with above average power. If he remains in his current build, he would likely have average to below average power. I’m not comparing him in any way to the next two names I’m going to throw out there, but he could be a Matt Kemp type player in terms of his skills if his body develops, and more like a Michael Bourn type if he doesn’t. Basically the potential for speed, hit, arm, and field are all there, with power being the unknown right now.

              As for what I saw in BP, I saw a guy who lashed line drive after line drive all over the field, his bat just made a different sound than anybody else taking BP, and he showed some sporadic power hitting a few balls out but not consistently or any moon shots. Having said that, to me he was more impressive than anyone else I saw, including many of the names we talk a lot about on the short season rosters.

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        3. Did anyone on this site from the south Jersey area, ever see Trout play as a junior in HS down in Millville? Just wondering what a comp would be like between the two 17-year olds.

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          1. The real difference regardless of baseball skill is physical, Trout is build like a football player and is a ridiculous athlete. Tocci may be just as athletic but by all accounts is built slighter and does not have the frame to be a huge power hitter (by no means is that a bad thing). The thing with Trout and Harper is that they are freak physical specimens who are also really good at baseball. What caused Trout to fall in the draft is that teams weren’t able to scout him and see that the plate discipline and other skills were off the charts.

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      3. I believe Anonymous was being fecetious here because people are going overboard with the Tocci love. Yes, he got a big signing bonus for a reason but he’s still barely played at all and people are already asking if he should start next year at Lakewood.

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      4. I believe Anonymous was being fecetious here because people are going overboard with the Tocci love. Yes, he got a big signing bonus for a reason but he’s still barely played at all and some folks are already asking if he should start next year at Lakewood.

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  15. Keivi Rojas with another 2 innings of scoreless ball and 2 k’s. That’s 22.1 IP, 14 H, 1 BB, 28 Ks.

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  16. We should have good representation when they did the top prospects in the GCL and NY Penn at the end of the year.

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  17. On Asche: when we look at him at Clwtr, we saw a guy who made excellent contact for a high ba and obp…but we were calling for the emergence of his power.

    When they moved him up to Reading, it is my opinion that his much lesser contact rate is due to coaches asking him to swing on a little upward plane to produce more “long flies.” And that his now altered swing will take/has taken time for the adjustment. It takes patience and effort; the results are now beginning to show up.

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    1. I kind of doubt that the coaches would ask him to change something as soon as he moves up. Seems like if you promote a guy it’s because you like what he’s doing. And if you want him to change something, why couple the difficulty of that with the difficulty of a new league?

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    2. Lots of guys gain power moving from Clearwater to Reading due to the parks. I’d guess that’s what happened. His initial struggles are more likely the result of moving up a level than a change in his approach. I doubt they would change his approach immediately after moving up a level.

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    3. He said in an interview, that the change, to ‘load differently’, I believe it was he said, was made in this past off-season

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  18. With 2-3 more plate appearances Andrew Pullin would be leading the GCL in OBP. Cozens is top 10 in OBP and OPS right now. As someone mentioned earlier, it will be interesting to see where these guys rank in the post season GCL prospect list. In the past 3 seasons, we would have been happy enough with what Zach Greene is doing, but Cozens, Pullins and Tocci could all be top 10 in the league.

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    1. rankings In the GCL are rarely based on stats. A struggling first round pick will still get a ranking based on his potential. Can’t see them all as top ten.

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      1. There were only three(3) 1st round picks that made the GCL top 20 last year, and they were all supplemental 1st rounders.

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        1. How many 1st round picks played in GCL last year, though? The whole crop doesn’t neceassarily even play at all yr one, and some of the better guys and college guys go to leagues liek New-York Penn.

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          1. Not many 1st rounders play in the GCL. That’s the point. Anonymous’ 7:37, declaration was false… at least it was last year. Check the guy’s in the top 10. They all had great numbers, regardless of if they were high round picks.
            The GCL Phillies are the top hitting team in the GCL this year, and the Yankees were the top hitting team last year. The Yankees had 3 hitters in the top 10 last year, and 2 of them weren’t high draft picks. There is no reason the Phillies would not have the same chance.

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  20. It is good to see Hyatt starting to rebound, if he could rebound and battle Cloyd to be Kyle Kendrick for less than a 1/5 the cost that would be great.

    Biddle also with a great game, the strikeouts had been down and the walks up, good to see the trend reverse. Are there any recent velocity reports on him?

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  21. Larry Greene was the story for the Cutters tonight, with a mammoth HR to right center. Walding had an error at third. Tyler Greene looked overmatched at the plate except for a basehit. Serritella (sp?) was robbed of a HR to RF by Gaffney in the first inning, who made a spectacular catch over the fence.

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  22. Having followed the LVIP from a distance the last several years, while its been exciting to see them winning games the past two years, they’ve always lacked the type of prospects that would be really fun to watch. It sure seems like that will change next season. Even assuming Galvis and D Brown will be in the majors, they could field a roster that could include the following:

    C Sebastian Valle
    2B Cesar Hernandez
    LF Darin Ruf
    CF Tyson Gillies (hopefully)
    RF Leandro Castro
    Rotation – Trevor May, Tyler Cloyd, Jonathan Pettibone, Austin Hyatt, and BJ Rosenberg
    Bullpen – Tyler Knigge, Phillippe Aumont, JC Ramirez, Lisaberto Bonilla, Simon, Justin Friend

    I’m assuming the crop of Diekman, Stutes, DeFratus, and Schwimer will be in the bigs but its possible one or two of them could be in AAA. I’m also assuming Jiwan James repeats AA, Cody Asche plays a full year at AA, and J Rod repeats AA. The one wildcard that I believe could make a fast jump to AAA next year, maybe closer to mid-season than to start, is Brody Colvin. From what I’ve heard, he’s really made huge strides in the past month and his stuff is the nest we have in our system, outside of maybe Kenny Giles.

    Should be a fun year at AAA in 2013.

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    1. I think at this point May is on track to repeat AA. We’ll see how he does the rest of the season. Otherwise I agree. It should be the most interesting year for the ‘Pigs yet.

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      1. That’s a good point. I’m really hoping he makes some adjustments and has a strong finish.

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    2. I love Kenny Giles more than most, but right now his ‘stuff’ is merely a very plus fastball. If he had even one above average secondary pitch he would be starting.

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      1. He throws a very very nasty breaking pitch, to go with his plus fastball. When he has a clue where they are going, he K’s 7 in 3 innings. Most nights at this point he hasn’t figured that out. I stand by my statement.

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