JDeF, Claypool, Dom, and Gillies rehabbing for the first time. And a pro debut from Andrew Anderson at GCL. 2 scoreless. Also of note – Kelly Dugan extends his hitting streak to 10-games. Oddly, his stats over those ten games make him seem like the best hitter in the world. Oh, except Cameron Rupp.
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If the current draft class can keep turning heads, I could see the system being ranked in the teens next season. Would be a nice turnaround from depleting the system the past few years.
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Mitchell Walding could be a player! Headed out to WIL in a few weeks to see him, Greene, Greene and the lot play. Very excited.
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and maybe Cozens?
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The way the Phils draft (high risk, high upside), I believe the system outlook can improve quickly because raw/upside guys can go from underperforming to having a good outlook rather quickly and climb our top 30. Of course…they could also all flame out like Hewitt 🙂
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I don’t see it. Not much in the upper levels and quite possible we don’t have a top 100 prospect this year. Without a bluechip I can see towards the bottom in rankings.
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Without an injury or an absolute disaster of a second half, Biddle is an absolute lock for top100. Despite his bad first half, May is likely still currently in the top100. We have several other guys that could push for the top100 with a strong second half.
I think we end up in the mid-teens at the end-of-year rankings. Before all the trades, we had achieved a very good ranking based almost entirely low-level prospects.
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I think Biddle is borderline top 100. If he makes it he will probably be in the 80-100 range. He is pitching well but not dominating. He is certainly a prospect, but he does not stand out compared to other teams. Our rank will improve next year, but having little at the top end is a valid criticism. Depth is nice, but stars are what matter.
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Yeah there’s no way they rank the system in the teens or higher. We have no major league ready talent! Evaluators like to the throw the word “interesting” around when describing a system like ours.
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No one said higher than the teens. If, and it is a big if, the guys keeps performing the way they are in Williamsport and GCL, the Phillies’ ranking will improve. There’s no arguing that.
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I agree with Anonymous to an extent, but also see the system with an up arrow. Next year might not be the year that they make the mid or lower teens as a system simply because these recent draftees will still all be in low A or below. It is not a crazy stretch to see the system ranked in the low 20’s or high teens though. I still have to believe Biddle and May make the top 100. I would be shocked not to see Biddle there.
That being said, I like the direction they are going. Definitely like that a bunch of these guys have hit the ground running. This is a unique year in that we almost have two draft classes in one summer. It seems like we have twice the influx of talent than prior years, because we do. : ) This new July signing deadline has allowed the system to look a lot better because we have last year’s signings and this year’s all at once. We are now likely to have a summer off from the deporting of talent at the trade deadline. In fact, we are likely to see a few additions to the system via trade. Not sure the level of prospect, but there will be additions to depth at least. It will be an amazing effect to have 2 classes (2011, 2012), no prospects traded, some added by trade and then the 2013 draft which might provide more picks because of lost FA’s and higher picks because of big club’s bad season. Oxygen is on the way! The system will be breathing well shortly.
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I suspect based on what has been written and just my own opinions I would guess that we could have 2-5 players in the Top 100, I have given a range because there are so many sites ranking players, the lower a prospect is the more variance there is going to be as well.
May 50-75 (this range could be wider, but I think he is a lock)
Biddle 50-70 (this just seems right)
Hernadez 85-120 (putting up the numbers, if it continues in AAA could be in serious consideration)
Valle 90-130 (young catcher with potential always seems to exist in this borderline, big second half could put him in)
Asche 95-140 (if he puts up numbers in AA slightly below what he did in A+)
I would put Morgan, James, and Walding as sleepers who have the tools to make scouts put them in if they put up numbers. I think Cozens has to prove it for a year to get any sort of consideration.
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No offense, but lumping James into this group almost invalidates everything else that I mostly agreed with…
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I’m pulling hard for James. He seems like a really good dude. He is a little behind the curve because he was a pitcher first, however I think his ceiling is probably a 4th/5th OF. I hope he proves me wrong though.
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I don’t think it is likely but he is the toolshed that scouts drool over, even if the chance is .01% he has the physical ability to make the leap, you cannot teach tools, you could make the same argument and use Gillies being held back by health concerns
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Am I actually not optimistic on May making the top 100 lists. AA has exposed his flyball tendencies and shaky control, two things he needs to improve in order to move up. Reading’s park is not a great fit for him (in the abstract). Mike Newman’s scouting report of him still is stuck in my mind – he gets outs with FBs in the upper part of the zone, which works in the lower minors but not in the upper levels. However I do recognize that is an old report and he might have changed since then.
I agree that Biddle will almost certainly be in the bottom half of most top 100 lists.
I think Cesar has a very good chance of making a couple top 100 lists (22 y.o. in AA, 780 OPS, good up-the-middle defender, good speed). I think both Pettibone and J-Rod have a chance to sneak in *if* they have better second halves. J-Rod will obviously be limited in scouts’ eyes by his lack of eye-popping stuff and Pettibone by his lack of a strikeout pitch.
It is possible that Cozens is our version of Dante Bichette Jr. last year – scouts were down on him heading into the draft but a strong showing in the GCL raised people’s opinions of him. Obviously Cozens will have to keep his torrid pace up, but it is at least possible. A caveat to that notion is that Bichette was well-known to the scouting community prior to the draft, Cozens less so, and hence it will take longer for organizations like BA to get comfortable ranking him highly.
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I think you guys are all overvaluing our system. The idea of the Phillies putting 4 or more guys in the Top 100 lists after a year in which almost every significant prospect (other than maybe Hernandez) has performed at or below expectations is just not realistic. I think May is going to get passed by a lot of other pitchers based on his so-so season, and one of those guys may be Biddle. Other than that, I don’t see anyone putting up the kind of numbers that would grab national attention. Hernandez is nice piece to have in the system, don’t get me wrong, but pretty much every team has a middle infielder who hits .300 with no power. He’s done nothing extraordinary.
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I don’t think Cesar is a top 100 prospect at this point, but I think you might be discounting him a bit. He’s a 22-year old 2B playing in that AA that has put up 33 XBH in only 85 games. His power jump from what it was a year ago is impressive. My main issue is that his speed and SB% has not been there. If he had the SB#s from his season at WPT, he’d make the top 100.
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In a recent Baseball America blog article, Cesar Hernandez was named the Phillies’ Best Player (Asche, biggest mover, Colvin, biggest disappointment). If BA believes that Hernandez is the Phillies’ best prospect, then I have to believe their is a chance Biddle and May don’t make the top 100.
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I think they were saying he’s been their best prospect THIS YEAR. Keep in mind, they will use body of work when making determinations for top 10’s and 100’s.
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Good point
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ACA, I was trying to say that Biddle is probably in, Cesar has a good chance, and Pettibone and J-Rod could if they improve in the second half. So I’m basically saying one guy will make it, could be two, possibly more depending on people having good second halves. I don’t think that is overly optimistic, and certainly not the same as saying four guys will make it.
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Hopefully with a few good performances and when we trade Cole our system could be middle of pack maybe a little better. Hope Justin aumont and Dom all get to MLB. And Cesar to AAA
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You don’t trade arguably the best LHP in the NL simply get a few prospects and upgrade your system, sorry. Only ML ready talent and a prospect make a Hamels deal worth while.
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When does Dylan Cozens officially become the best position prospect in the organization??
Cmon Dom, please stay healthy 2nd half of the year… cmonnnnnnnnnn man!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lets not jump in just yet. Williamsport will be a better showcase for him. Also he’s at 28% K rate right now, I want to see it in the teens somewhere first.
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I get the impression that Cozens really needs to be challenged – and soon – and maybe even fail, so that he realizes he has something to work on in instructs.
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nik, funny how for the past week everything you’ve posted has been about how great Cozens is, how he’s going to be our best position prospect, and how BA somehow ignored him by not including him in their top 500. All of a sudden jmb4028 mentioned his strikeout rate yesterday and now you begin to throw out his strike out numbers.
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Perhaps he didn’t realize how much he was striking out? I think Cozens is pretty special and I like him a lot, but no prospect is perfect.
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Thank you.
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Nik, funny how for the past couple of weeks all you’ve done is gush over Cozens, highlighting how BA left him off their top 500, he’s going to be our top position prospect, and updating us every at bat he has. Yesterday jmb4028 was the first person to voice his concern over his strike out rate and now you’re running with it and telling people to temper their expectations?
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Did you just make the same post but re-write it?
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Kinda looks like it, doesn’t it? Well done anonymous attacker!!!
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why is it funny? it did make me look at his peformance deeper. I love the results, but the K rate is certainly a problem.
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I think he invented a new crime to accuse you of “stat plagiarism”
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G. Lino has 15 PBs and 12 Es in 57 games in the Sal this year. Valle had 12 PBs and 9 Es in 101 games. Both are/were 19. Also Lino’s CS% is 27% and Valle’s was 33%. They said Lino was raw and that’s what I’d call him, both with the bat and the glove.
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That’s ok. Dude was basically free for us. Thome was traded for 20,000 last season.
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Who are u going to get when Cole is traded? Not going to be for major leagues players. Prospects. Not sure if u understand it Rickey.we are at tax now and he is as good as gone and the team is done. Get a package and go
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He is nowhere near as good as gone. I’d say its 60% he stays or comes back. As far as players we would get someone like Olt who could play in the majors Today.
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What’s the basis for the 60%?
It seems to me that, at this point, the chance of him resigning before the end of the season – or, more relevantly, before the trade deadline – is essentially zero. It’s likely – to the point of near certainty – that Hamels has told the team what it would take for him to forgo free agency (IMO 7/150 or thereabouts, but the precise numbers don’t matter), and the team won’t agree to that sum. An unsigned Hamels at the trade deadline is gone unless no one offers a package better than the draft picks.
Fast forward to free agency, whether he is traded or not. Two points here. First, I think SOMEONE will give him a 7 year deal for 20 plus AAV. Even if the Phillies matched that (unlikely IMO), he would not necessarily come back.
The one scenario that might possibly result in his return is if the market for his services was unexpectedly soft. If so, he could return. But I’d put the chances of that well under 60%.
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Actually the Phillies aren’t at the luxury tax for next season, which is when Cole’s deal would begin.
But if you are so inclined to trade him, why not post what you would want, maybe names, positions, teams that are good trading partners? Not just the usual WIP answer to everything.
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And also post it in an appropriate thread…
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In an ideal world, the phillies could work out a deal with hamels ahead of time that we can trade him and resign him in the off season. But, given the fact that isn’t likely to occur, I agree with most, even at this point the odds of resigning him are high and the phillies should make every effort. So far, he’s continued to say he wants to come back.
If i were the Phillies, I offer a cliff lee type deal with an option for a 6th year based on innings pitched in years 4 and 5 of the deal as done with Roy’s contract. (5 years 120) for a net of 6 years 140 million. Should get it done.
Now, if hamels is insisting on a 7 year deal, I’d have to back off. While he’ll get it on the open market, it’s just way too risky.
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They are probably going to have to at least provie a significant ($12-15 million) buy out option for a 7th year. Cole would get at least 7 years on the open market IMO. If it gets done, it is going to be very creative – including, perhaps, mutual options, opt-outs, and buyouts.
I think Ruben was kind of a dope to let it come to this. Instead of giving him a deal in advance that they were pretty uncomfortable with (6 years, $115 million), they are going to give him a deal that they pretty much hate. Once they knew he was not going to sign for a bargain basement deal, did they really think his market value would go down over time?
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When was the last time a major-market annually contending team TRADED their superstar? Teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, ANgels, Giants, and even the Dodgers and Cubs for that matter rarely ever do.
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The Phillies are not likely to contend this year perhaps next year.
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Manny Ramirez in 2008 for the Red Sox.
They also traded Youkilis to make room for Middlebrooks this year. Those organizations are run a lot better than ours though, IMO.
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Especially the Red Sox who leak stories to the press and try to tarnish their GM once he leaves town. Yup.
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I’d take Theo Epstein’s baseball operations staff over Ruben Amaro’s any day of the week. Even the Red Sox as they are constructed now over our front office.
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They make better baseball decisions is what I’m trying to say. I could care less about their integrity, which is really irrelevant when it comes to winning baseball games.
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In addition to what I wrote earlier… the Cubs should’ve rebuilt along time ago, instead, have set themselves back YEARS by trying to piece together a team. Not a great example of why not to rebuild.
In fact, we’re not that far away from the Cubs situation currently. Our contracts are just as unmoveable as theirs are.
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Cozens with a monster night. His ISO is now around .250 which is great. I agree with the above poster that his 28% K rate is concerning, but his high walk rate is equally encouraging. All this for an 18 year old… I don’t know that I’d make him the best position player in the system just yet, but it is getting close.
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Has anyone ever seen the South Park where Cartman cryogenically freezes himself because he can’t stand waiting any longer for the release of the Nintendo Wii? That’s kind of how I feel about these short season guys right now.
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Haha great reference.
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Best comp I have heard in a while.
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100% right on… I like the crystal ball approach rather then the deep freeze, i’d miss my kids first day of kindergarden!
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Awesome comment just for referencing that episode.
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I think Cesar is a better prospect than Cozens. We all know that GCL stats can be a mirage. Meanwhile Cesar is playing above average ball in AA at a young age (he is 41st in OPS, but the only guy younger than he with a better OPS is Castellanos). His significantly higher probability of being an average MLB player makes him a better prospect. But I agree that Cozens appears to have more upside.
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I agree with this. Cesar definitely has a better shot at being an MLB regular at this point. But Cozens’ size and athletic ability, coupled with his performance so far — as small a sample size as it is — makes me believe he has a much higher ceiling if he does put it together.
I guess the question becomes: if one were to magically disappear from the system, right now, which would you prefer to lose? I might be willing to take the gamble and hold onto Cozens. Thankfully, it’s not a decision we have to make.
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Honestly, I see Cesar’s most likely end result as a super utility player. His reasonable optimistic upside is an average starter at 2nd. Cozens meanwhile to me says “likely won’t make the majors” with optimistic upside coming in as a prerennial all star. It’s a tough decision for sure, especially because Cesar plays a position of need for the phillies given utley’s injuries. Not sure what I think…
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Cozens has much higher upside. Hernandez maybe somewhat higher chance of being an average major league player, not sure I’d say “significantly.” (To be clear, his chance of being a regular for at least a year or two may be significantly higher, but IMO Cesar most likely projects as a below average regular, though he has a chance at developing to be more than that.)
That aside, my tendency, in weighing prospects, is to weigh upside – at least reasonable upside, we’re not talking the one in a million chance that (say) Hewitt suddenly learns plate discipline and how to hit a curve ball – more heavily than chance to be average or below. An average player has value, but world series winners are built around having at least 3 to 4 star level players. Cesar won’t be that; Cozens might.
On that basis, Cozens IMO is a better prospect.
There is room for disagreement on this, of course. My guess is that, in the off season organization ranking, Cesar will be a couple spots above Cozens. I’d reverse that.
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I think I’ve said this before, but this reminds me a lot of the season where Domingo Santana tore up the GCL as a 16 year-old, and everyone anointed him our top hitting prospect, and then he hit a ton of trouble as he moved up the ladder. I still loved (love) Santana as a prospect, and Cozens has opened my eyes, but there’s a long, long way to go with the guy. One things for sure: there’s going to be some spirited argument over him when we do the Top 30 this offseason. Not sure where I’d put him right now.
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That’s an interesting comp. So far Cozens is a little better than Santana pretty much across the board for their GCL season – BB%, K%, ISO, even SB. Also BA, for what little that’s worth. Of course sample size is small, and Cozens is a year older than Santana was.
That said, as you seem to be saying, that comp is more positive than negative. Despite the somewhat disappointing immediate follow-up, Santana has moved a level each year and is still looking like quite a good prospect. He tends to be overshadowed by Singleton, but if he was still in our system one could make a strong case for him being our top position prospect.
Assuming Cozens continues in the same vein – of course his BA will fall, but if he ends up with roughly the same BB/K/power data and a BA in the .280 to .300 range – I think a strong case could be made for top 10 status. Certainly top 20.
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Yes, I meant the comparison as a positive. I’m just saying that it’s easy to get ahead of yourself. Looking back, after that GCL season PP ranked Santana as our #4 prospect, ahead of Gose, Cosart, Singleton, etc. Then, after he struggled at Lakewood/WPT, he dropped way down the list. My point is, moderate expectations, don’t get too excited, wait for him to build a body of work before we start jumping him to the top of the list.
That said, the list isn’t exactly brimming with competition at this point…
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LarryM, I am curious to know on what information you are basing the statement “Cozens has much higher upside”. I assume it isn’t his 70 or so PAs in the GCL. Is it scouting reports?
I feel like all I know about Cozens is that he has huge power and he is a big, athletic guy. What else can we know?
I recognize that Cesar does not profile as a future star, but with an improved BB% and/or SB%, he would profile as a quality starting 2B in MLB. Since he has in the past shown better BB% and SB% than this year, it is at least within the realm of possibility that he could improve in those areas compared to what he has done this year.
In my mind, the probability of Cesar becoming a legitimate starting 2B is much higher than the probability Cozens becomes an All-Star. And the probability of Cesar being an average MLB player is much higher than the probability of Cozens becoming an average MLB player.
I think perhaps, as others have stated, we are placing too much weight on a small probability of success, even if one would rather have a player with big upside than a player with a high floor.
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I think we should probably temper our excitement for Cozens a little bit. He’s definitely put himself on the map but I just have a hard time being super-psyched about a guy with about 60 plate appearances in the GCL. Because of his k-rate, I doubt he’s a .300+ hitter going forward. His power is great, his walk rate encouraging, but again it’s such a small sample size.
He’s probably in the 20s as far as prospect ranking to me. By the end of the year he could move up a little, but I’ll take the guy in AA who I still think has a shot at being an above average regular- if he continues improving of course.
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Didn’t we go through roughly the same thing last year with Tyler Greene? Thankfully Cozens will have a bigger body of work to judge him on, but my god do some people go crazy if a guy has a good couple weeks. Unless of course they’re at a higher level, than those good couple weeks make them org filler.
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Dylan Cozens is putting up FAR better numbers than Greene did last year.
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Tyler Greene last year: 58 ABs, .765 OPS, .276 batting average, 0 homers, 4 RBI.
Dylan Cozens this year: 56 ABs, 1.045 OPS, .357 batting average, 2 homers, 11RBI.
That qualifies as “roughly the same thing”?
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This is why people should research their opinions before sharing them. How long did it take you to get that info? 5 minutes?
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I am usually a ceiling over proximity guy but the difference in level is way to wide to ignore. I take Hernandez in this discussion. Even if Cozens were putting up these numbers in Williamsport, i would still lean Hernandez.
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How does one research board reaction? I wasn’t talking about numbers but rather people’s quick and somewhat over-the-top enthusiasm when a guy comes in and has a good couple weeks to start his career. People were annointing T. Greene the best of last years draft class after 70 ab’s. Also, nothing in my post mentioned numbers and was clearly in context with Handzus’ suggestion to “temper our excitement”. That took what? All of 30 seconds to read the previous comment?
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Sorry if mentioned but did anyone notice on phils minor league page g lino replaced i believe ruf as 20th prospect
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They moved Ruf to 10th
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Lol @ Milb.com
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I respect Jon Mayo’s evaluations. Been around long enough with many contacts within scouting departments throughout baseball.
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They still have Tehran #1. Most lists had moved him down to 40+
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MLB doesn’t spend much time updating that list. They update the list at the beginning of the season, then sub out guys if there are trades. Looks like they replaced Hewitt with Lino.
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Zach Green back in the lineup today, and playing SS. Maybe just an infrequent thing, or perhaps they are intending to give him more time at SS. My dismissal of this possibility was clearly shortsighted.
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Franco grand slam ave up to 240.
Good to see Tyson with a hit
And Dugan and Duffy keep raking
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Yes it was…as I said to begin with. Trying him at SS is an attempt to join his apparent power with SSing since he seems to have much more power than any other SS prospect in our system.
When I suggested yesterday that he be tried at SS , I didn’t know the front office was listening. HA!
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They weren’t listening. This isnt the 1st time he’s played SS this year.
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Just once.
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My guess is that he will continue to get more playing time at SS in the GCL and especially during fall instructs.
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Uh-Huh.
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Franco with a HR and 4 ribbies in the Blueclaws game already. Kelly Dugan extended his hitting streak to 11 games.
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Dugan and Franco both got another hit, now 5 RBIs for Franco on the day. Gillies is rehabbing and has reached base twice and scored both times. Lakewood lineup has really been on fire for a while — masking a horrible pitching staff.
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I wonder if Dugan can be more than an org guy. He really seems to be coming on this year after some initial struggles. If he continues this into Clearwater next season, that would be a good surprise and a welcome sight.
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His injury this year didn’t keep him off the field for all that long, really. Turned an ankle on the bases I think, and getting back on the field quickly is a positive for a guy who’s missed a lot of time. And it seems like he’s playing more outfield now than he was at the start of the year. That’s good for him, too, as his power won’t play at 1B unless it really blossoms.
All that being said, he’s one year away from needing to be protected. I almost want them to move him up this year to see if he can hit at A+ and then maybe let him do the jump to AA next year this time if he’s having success. He’s barely over average age for the league he’s in now, (21.7 yrs acc. to BRef, and he’s 21.8-ish), and jumping him one level now to see if he can hit the best of the rest of the FSL, (those not jumped to AA already this year), might be worthwhile. He’s got just over 750 pro PAs. Probably enough to go to A+.
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I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved up, although I think he could still benefit from more ABs in Lakewood. One encouraging thing is that his numbers are more respectable against LHPs now. Earlier in the year his numbers against them were pretty abysmal iirc.
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Dom playing left today, hitting second and already has a double in the GCL game. I only mention where he’s hitting because Carlos Tocci is hitting third. That’s some respect for a 16-year old, complex league or not.
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Imagine where he’d bat if he had 2 uncracked testicles.
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Brown just hit his 2nd double of the game. Should be back in LHV real soon.
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Cozens with a double also.
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Cozens up to 5th in the lineup now. Tocci batting 3rd
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That Brown guy is a bit old for the GCL. Probably org filler, but he’s really making the rest of the lineup click with him around.
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this is the best set of hitting prospects i have ever seen on the two rookie league Phillies teams. A lot of high ceiling guys performing well. Very exciting, although 3+ years away from making an impact.
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Brown with his 3rd double of the game. All 3 doubles were to left field. Brown, Cozens, and Tocci were removed from the game since it’s a blowout.
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This lineup is sick.
GCL Phillies Bottom of the 5th
Dylan Cozens walks.
With Zach Green batting, Dylan Cozens steals (5) 2nd base.
Zach Green singles on a ground ball to shortstop Carlos De Los Santos. Dylan Cozens to 3rd.
With Jiandido Tromp batting, Zach Green steals (1) 2nd base.
Jiandido Tromp doubles (2) on a ground ball to left fielder Rashad Brown. Dylan Cozens scores. Zach Green scores.
Carlos Valenzuela singles on a ground ball to third baseman Alwin Delgado. Jiandido Tromp to 3rd.
Angel Chavarin doubles (3) on a ground ball to right fielder Miguel Paulino. Jiandido Tromp scores. Carlos Valenzuela to 3rd.
Angelo Mora strikes out swinging.
Domonic Brown doubles (4) on a ground ball to left fielder Rashad Brown. Carlos Valenzuela scores. Angel Chavarin scores.
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No one’s mentioned this year, maybe it’s being discussed on another thread, but the newspapers just came out with their midseason Top 25.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Top_25_Phillies_Prospects.html?c=r
I think these lists are, if nothing else, a good reflection of how people within the organization see these prospects. Although David Murphy (on his personal blog) mentioned today that he’d talked to another team’s scout who saw Biddle as a back-of-the-rotation talent, at best. (Ugh.) The most interesting tidbit in the list, to my mind, is the fact that they say Larry Greene showed up to spring training out of shape. Definitely something to file away, as there are already concerns about whether he has the athleticism to stick in the outfield.
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Interesting list. Plenty to quibble with. Quinn the highest ranked of the new class, not sure I agree with this but I can see the logic.
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If Quinn can stick at SS, I’d have a hard time dropping him below Walding/Greene/Cozens unless one of those 3 really takes off. Having that type of game-changing speed at a premium defensive position is printing $.
Something to keep in mind — Quinn hasn’t actually switch hit before this year (natural righty with the bat). So he is learning lefty and only hitting .200 from that side. He’s hitting over .400 righty.
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Well as I said I can see the logic. It assumes he sticks at SS, and reports on that have been mixed.
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I use to covet switch-hitters, thinking in the past, they definitely have the advantage over the pitcher. Until someone on this site pointed out the metric stat last year, that unless you are a power guy, ie Mickey Mantle/ Ed Murray/ Reggie Smith et al, it really gives no advantages to a hitter , especially when it comes to BA/OBP.
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There’s probably too much value assigned to relief pitchers, and I would quibble with the order they were in- Bonilla, De Fratus, Aumont. But a pretty solid list all in all I think.
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I suspect the beat writers are probably more in the “proximity” camp in the proximity-upside argument. They see immediate needs in the bullpen, therefore they get excited about potential bullpen arms moving through the system.
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Great start to the day for the minor league squads. Franco has raised his average about 32 pts in a month and now has 52 rbis. Altherr with 3 BBs. Is Dugan a top 20 prospect for the Phils? Gillies on base 4 times today. Everybody hitting at GCL with Dom Brown having 3 doubles. Manure Martinez another good start.
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I think when all is said and done at the end of the year, Dugan misses out on the top 20 because of the wealth of new faces that are performing well. I think he is top 30, for sure.
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“the wealth of new faces that are performing well” – and the huge hall Hamels will bring. 🙂
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I could see Dugan slipping into the 20-30 range of prospects.
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It is nice to see Brown do what he is supposed to do to GCL pitchers. Between Tocci and Cozens that is a nice OF down there.
It looks like Altherr and Franco are making LKW hitting watchable again. Altherr hasn’t really been upping his walk total recently, and with his speed, and a bit of power he has the makings of a nice CF prospect and while not dominating could see a move up to CLW if they move Collier up to AA, just to get Altherr’s feet wet too get him moving quickly.
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One thing I don’t understand about Altherr, is he never seems to get played in RF. I’ve seen reports that say he could be a serviceable CF. CF would allow his bat to play, but they play him in LF a lot. His bat is nowhere near LF standard. Altherr was a pitcher(and SS) in HS, I would think he’d have enough arm for RF. He doesn’t seem to get played there though.
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I think it purely has to do with what they have on that roster. They have what looks like to be 3 CF (Altherr, Eldemire, and Hudson) and a RF (Dugan). Hudson is probably the best defensive outfielder in the system so I can see the bump there. His arm shouldn’t be a problem if they tried him at 3B earlier in his career. So far this year his breakdown is 27LF, 38 CF, and 5 RF.
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Hudson is done for the season with year ending surgery today. That means that Altherr will be playing a lot of centerfield for the rest of the season.
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Larry Greene getting hot all we need to do was wait until he got comfortable the power will come but hes now hitting consistently. looking real promising right.
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I’d like to see at least a glimpse of it at some point
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yeah i know but he’s showing real progress
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Somehow I missed this but 4/9 of the eastern league’s eastern division all-star starting lineup were phils. Cesar, Ruf, Valle, and Castro. Hanzawa also played a lot. However, j-rod did not make it (or at least did ot pitch) despite being third in the league in Ks. Whatcott did pitch.
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JRod pitched in the Futures games which is why he wasn’t available. Wheeler didn’t pitch either.
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When I saw Hanzawa as the All-Star shortstop, I did a double take. Then I saw him come up as the last out, earn a 10-pitch walk, and come around via two singles to score thje winning run. That is baseball. I apologize for doubting Troy.
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Ruf must be slow as molasses. He was on 2B in the all-star game and was held at third after the batter squeaked a ground ball into CF. I know he’s a 1B but wow.
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In fairness to Ruf, Dusty Wathan was the third base coach in the game and wasn’t sending anybody home in there was even a chance there might be a play. He didn’t want any collisions.
But, yes, he is slow.
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