Box Score Recap 7-9-2012

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  1. Serritella and L.Greene continue on fire.
    Tyler Greene with a two-bagger, but two Es and a K.
    Leandro Castro with an o-fer, what happened!

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    1. Larry Greene is certainly getting on base but where’s his power? His OBP is higher than his SLG%

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      1. Mitch Rupert had a great comment on this very point in a previous thread, I think it was the 7/7 game report. You should check it out. Basically, the power is there, just need to be patient.

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      2. Not to be unscientific about this, but I don’t think anyone who looks at the guy doubts that the power will develop.

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  2. Perci Garner pitching well recently. We shouldn’t forget that he’s only had 40 or so professional innings prior to this year due to injury, and was double jumped to A+. His BB and K ratios have been a lot better his last few games.

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    1. Double-jumped, but he’ll also turn 24 in the off-season. I stood alone this past winter in saying that he should be moved to the bullpen to see if his 2-pitch arsenal plays well in that role. I know I’m in the minority here, or perhaps even alone in this contention, but I still feel that Garner will unlikely become durable enough to make it as a MLB starter.

      IMO his missed time has been a detriment, not an excuse.

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      1. Most bullpen guys are starters in the low minors. Bottom line is he needs innings, even if he’s only going to be a two pitch pitcher. he will never refine himself enough pitching out of the bullpen. I don’t think anyone totally disagreed with you, they just understand the development this guy needs and starting every five days is the best way to get that development time in.

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        2. I hear you Tom, I just don’t buy the argument. Tempted to opine further but don’t want to extend the debate from this past winter.

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          1. Buy what argument? If a player has a chance to be a starter, he is given that opportunity as starters are *significantly* more valuable than relievers.

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            2. Based on? He was well regarded when he was drafted as having two plus pitches, and two fringe-average pitches that needed refinement. He pitched very well last year…

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            4. ‘… I don’t care. It’s my opinion and I’m entitled to it.’ – Lee J Cobb (juror #2)

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          2. Just don’t understand what the issue is. He has so few innings under his belt. He’s got demonstrated control issues. There is just no way he’d develop the control needed to be a reliable back end guy in 1-2 inning outings. If anything, I think it would make it worse. He’d know he’s not going long, probably try to throw harder and control could lapse. All baseball people try to maximize the talent they have. Since a SP is more valuable, they will exhaust that avenue first, even if it fails, at least the pitcher gained valuable development time. If he makes it as a starter, then you are that much better off. I don’t have the stats in front of me, but I think Garner has gained a little bit in the control area (based on walk rate) and his innings would be the reason why.

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      2. A big reason why people use age is because it is often easier to judge someone’s minor league experience by their age vs. their level. There are obviously still a factor of age in how well developed, physically, the player is as well. Basically, the injury is a concern in the context of his durability. But in terms of evaluating his age-to-level, he had made a jump this year in terms of level of competition he has faced.

        I think its likely that they push Garner to AA next year as long as his control doesn’t blow up in the second half of the season. Being 24 in AA would be fine.

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        1. I think that is right on age. It is a little of a crutch to evaluate performance but I do think it needs to be relative to the situation. Garner lost time to injury, but he was also a football player. So his baseball experience is pretty limited and a double jump for him is big.

          Someone like Hewitt is also a little younger in baseball experience than his age. On the other hand someone like Valle is pretty old relative to his age in terms of baseball experience. It is great that he is young for the level, but he has also had close to 2000 professional plate appearances now.

          Age versus level is important but it is not the only thing. What we really need to discount are really good performances by experienced players that are old for the level. Think Duffy and Ruf. Austin Hyatt in previous years.

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      3. Steve: I do not think that too many people were giving Perci Garner all that much thought over the Winter. : ) Honestly, there could not have been that much debate either way even among daily readers. That being said, I think it is fine to leave him in the starting role for now and as mentioned above, put him in the reliever’s role once the starter option has been exhausted. I do not think it will hurt his long term relief prospects to keep him as a starter.

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  3. Anyone know anything about the catcher at GCL, Astudillo, is he a legit prospect? I like that his average in vsl went up after first year, but he is a little old for rookie ball, and never heard anything about him,

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  4. Only got to watch a little bit of the WPT game…Nick Hanson gave up 3 runs in the first on 3 hits, two fairly well hit liners to left and a straight out bomb to CF by a 22 year old that is leading the league in HR and RBI.

    Hanson is 20 years old, 6’7 and doesn’t have an overpowering fastball, only sitting at 90 according to the announcers. He seemed to have a pretty solid curveball, however. Good control, hasn’t walked anyone yet this year.

    He seems to be the kind of guy that you take a shot with, as with his age and size you hope that he can put on some muscle and get that FB up to 93. His offspead stuff and control already seem solid, but with that FB (and it might be straight) he has given a lot of hits.

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  5. Imagining the Lakewood lineup next season makes me giddy.

    Quinn SS
    Pointer CF
    Walding 3B
    Cozens RF
    LG Jr LF
    Serritella 1B (Could be double-jumped)
    T. Greene 2B
    Nuamata/Moore C

    Not to mention Zach Green, Herlis, Tocci, Tromp and others. That would be a team to watch!

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    1. And they’ll actually have some pitching prospects there next year like Warner and if Watson and Gueller start there

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      1. Giles, Manzanillo and Stewart are all prospects, although I concede not at the same level as a Watson or Gueller.

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        1. I was making a joke. WPT is normally guys that are from college drafted that year, or 2nd year out of HS guys from the previous draft, so we would really not have a full team at WPT with all those guys moved up.

          If I had to guess, I’d say Seritella would get double-jumped to A+, and Carmona would take off as “resident older bat” at 1b. I think the rest of the lineup looks pretty solid, assuming that Cozens is able to repeat his pace and looks good in the offseason.

          I think that most of the high-school GCL guys will be in WPT next year, but possibly Cozens, Watson and Gueller starting in LKW and seeing how they do early on. I really like Green and Pullin as well, but they are both likely blocked at this time.

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    3. Cozens in RF and LGJ in LF would be awesome. No one would want to brawl with that team. Though they would probably need Kyrell in CF to make sure all the ground gets covered…

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    4. I like, though I’d say that Tyler starts in short-season ball next year barring a dramatic turn around in the 2nd half.

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      1. Tyler Greene will be fine. He’ll start at Lakewood next year and very likely have a good season.

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        2. Sounds like a opining from a member of the Sun-Coast Florida fan club that inundated this website last July/August…hope the best for the young man and he turns things around and progresses through the organization up to the major leagues in the next few years.

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    6. I actually think Lino will probably start the year there as well. Finally, after years and years of mediocre hitting prospects (“toolshed” players that have excellent bodies and outstanding general athletic skills but raw and unpredictable baseball skills), there’s going to be some hitting ballplayers in the system. I don’t know if it’s just me, but I definitely perceive a change of thinking in terms of the team’s draft strategy for young hitters over the last couple of years. To be sure, there are still raw projects among the picks (and some of them are good gambles, like Roman Quinn, who has a great upside), but I see a lot more traditional big, strong, pure ballplayer types who show a good overall baseball aptitude – and, if you’ve been following prospects as long as I have you know exactly what I mean – the kind of guys the Red Sox always draft. I love it!!!

      I think, within a year or two, we could have two top 100 prospects in Walding and Cozens – and there’s reason for optimism for the rest of them, including Larry Greene who is said to have plus plus power and shows pretty fine plate discipline and Quinn (crazy speed, decent plate discipline, evolving skills).

      As for the pitchers, I have no general problems with their approach, which has been sound for many years now. Although it has not panned out with major league prospects exactly as they may have wanted over the last few years, they are developing strong, young, hard throwing pitchers and they draft a nice mix of high schoolers (Cosart, Colvin, May, Pettibone, Biddle) and college guys (Morgan, Wright, Schwimer, Happ). Sooner or later, if you don’t trade them all, that approach is going to pay off.

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  6. Many may start there, but odds are a few will be back at Williamsport. Happens every year.

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  7. Cozens for me will be the kid to watch. He seems to have that rare combination of power and hit tool. So far he’s using the whole field and puts them out to left and left center with ease. I love to see opposite field power as it demonstrates a hitter who is not afraid to let a ball get deep in the zone.

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    1. Haven’t seen him in person and need to see more sample size, but I’m encouraged as well. I’ll be really curious to see the scouts takes at year end ranking time. Sometimes opposite field power early on translates to can’t get around on a good fastball. I hope that’s not the case, just wary of statistical performance at the lower levels. I need to hear some positive scouting opinions on him as well.

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  8. We essentially get a morning double-header out of the GCL Phillies today. I suspect they’ll first complete yesterday’s suspended game before playing the regularly scheduled

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  11. News in GCL. Interesting–They converted former DSL OF Delvi Francisco into a Pitcher. I find it a bit odd because he was actually fairly successful as a batter, with very good BB, contact skills, and average. Though to be fair, he probably didn’t have anywhere to play in that crowded GCL OF and was getting bored…

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  12. Is there anybody this year who changed public opinion quicker than Cozens…of course everyone will say they liked the pick now.

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    1. I think some people did like the pick at the time given his power potential, they were just surprised because he was not high on anybody’s list and then they were a little thrown off by the incident with his coach. I liked the pick given his size, athleticism and power potential. Also, people forget that Cozens said that if he was not taken in the top 100 he would have gone to Arizona so the Phillies had to take him that high if they wanted to sign him.

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    2. Considering our current issues with signing Rash, I definitely wish the Cozens and Rash picks were switched. Cozens said he wouldn’t sign if he wasn’t drafted in the top 100. Unless the Phils were concerned about someone else drafting Cozens before #95, they probably could have drafted him there and signed him for slot at #95 ($500k). That would have left an additional $160k with which to sign Rash (slot at Cozens’s pick, #77, is $660k).

      Ah well, what can you do? The Phils really liked Cozens, evidently more than Rash, so they took him first. And they probably had information suggesting they should take Cozens when they did.

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      1. I had the same thought at the time of the draft. ‘Why didn’t they just draft, Rash at 77 and Cozens at 95?’ But that was an incorrect assumption, because I did not think anybody else would have taken Cozens that high.
        After the draft, Cozens made it clear that he worked out for Texas too, and they had a pick between the Phillies 77 and 95. It’s obvious the Phillies really liked him(more than Rash) and thought Texas would take him, before the 95th pick.

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      2. It appears you are right in that the phillies valued Cozens higher then Rash, Wolever was quoted saying the Phillies did not believe Rash was worth more then the 500k slot recommendation, and they would not have offered more even if there was no tax

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        1. Jim Callis also mentioned that Rash is not having a good year at high school. I’d rather them pop the $500k on an international sign at this point.

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          1. Maybe that’s already happened and we just didn’t realize it. They did give 2 top 20, (per Callis) INT guys over $500k, I believe.

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    3. The only issue with Cousins, oops, Cosens, oops Cozzens, oops, We can’t seem to spell his name right. At least on this thread, it seems to spelled right but go back to other discussions and we butchered his name. I spelled his name wrong twice before I finally go it right. Cozens is right.

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    4. Not to nitpick, but it does seem entirely possible that he would have been available with our second second round pick and would have still been with in his stated bonus range, then we could have taken Rash earlier and possible met his demands. Obviously alot of ifs and could ofs, but just a thought.

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      1. With his size and ability, I can’t imagine the Phillies were the only team eyeing Cozens in the second round, no matter what the Baseball America rankings said. Always take the guy you like before the other team does.

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  15. Box Scores will be thin tomorrow. The GCL plays two, Lakewood plays tonight and the DSL and VSL should be in action. Everything else is shutdown. All-star games in AAA and AA. Clearwater is off as is Williamsport. i guess they want to watch to Major League All-Star game.

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      1. Cozens too. I bet the 2nd baseman wants to stay the hell away from that guy when he’s coming at him.

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  18. Zach Green (GCL) was out of the lineup yesterday (and in this mornings finishing of that game) and isn’t starting today. Hopefully its nothing more than a couple days off…

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  20. Is Darin Ruf considered a prospect? Reading has some interesting players, but I don’t sense any hope that they can help the Phils.

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    1. Not this year (maybe Lisalberto gets a look?), but there are plenty of names who might help the Phils in the future. If it’s an impact bat you’re hoping for, best set your expectations for 2015 or so

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    2. I looked at Ruf, Castro, Hernandez’s #’s and they need some work but look OK. However, it really seems to me that the Philadelphia FO seems to have an attitude to keep the older veterans in the bigs, and they does not want to move these Reading players up to the AAA + then the majors very quickly…

      Ruf is 25 and has good baseball instincts – he also can play LF – ( can could backup Howard)

      Castro 22 (OF) Hernandez’s 23 (2B) are doing fine at Reading and need to stay in AA or AAA to get some polish at least for the rest of this year,

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        1. ‘jmb4028 says: If Ruf was able to play LF with any degree of success, he would be playing LF’.

          I have seen in some Reading game(s) this year that he has played some LF, but probably still needs more time playing the position.

          I think he does have the versatility /ability to play LF.. They should have him practice the position more at Reading, then move him out of AA to AAA . Then make him a Sept call up – if they don’t ,IMHO, they are wasting his talent.
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          1. Agree with you on that point as you bring him up as a LF/1B(giving Ryan Howard days off) and work him as a LF down in Clearwater in the off season. If he can play a decent LF and still hit MLB pitching we can keep John Mayberry Jr. for what he is a 4th or 5th outfielder who is questionable at the bat but can play a good defensive LF. At the best you have found a cheaper home grown solution to LF giving the Phillies more payroll to address other needs.

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        2. Ruf has played 13 games out there in LF…but the degree of success is subjective. Whether Ruf is ready, thats another thing.

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    1. Didn’t get past 1/3rd of an inning. He did K the first guy he faced though. It’s a slow process.

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  22. Brown 1-1, BB, 2R, SB so far. The SB is the most encouraging of all of that because it means he feels that the knee is healed enough to try it out.

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    1. Hoping they have him in the outfield soon. Would really like a speedy return to AAA and the big club in August.

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        1. He’ll be the fastest rising player this year. He’ll go from the GCL to AAA in a couple of days. He might be tied. I think that top prospect Utley did it earlier this year.

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    2. I’m ready to make the move provided he is healthy. Let’s get him back to LHV for a few starts then make a move to bring him up for a few hundred AB’s.

      I’d put him under Pierre’s wing as a mentor and see if I can move Victorino or Wigginton.

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      1. Pierre is the one player that I would be most shocked to see still on the Phillies come August 1st.

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      2. Pierre might be a nice guy but I do not want him trying to teach Domonic Brown anything about hitting or fielding.

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        1. That’s a little harsh on Pierre. I’d be thrilled if Brown replicated Pierre’s <6% career K rate. The walk rate and fielding, though, with you.

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  23. Kyle Simon is off to a nice start in the Phils’ system. I wonder if they would have made him a reliever even if they didn’t have 5 other solid SP prospects in Clearwater. Anybody read anything about what he throws?

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    1. Not overpowering, FB sits 90-91. Above average-to-plus slider. Throws 3/4 delivery, gets good movement on the ball. Gets a good amount of ground balls. Our own David Herndon is a pretty good comp.

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          1. Thats a lot closer to 3/4 than sidearm, according to my eyes. Every scouting report I’ve seen on him says 3/4 as well.

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          2. Well his arm isn’t at or below the belt, but his arm looks like it’s straight out when he comes around. Seems pretty close to sidearm to me. It’s possible that the O’s tinkered with his delivery too.

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            1. What about from the lowest 12th rib down to the belt—is that considered ‘sidearm’?

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    1. They are both at GCL. Probably won’t see a ton of innings from the high schoolers in their first professional year. Gueller pitched a few innings last week. Watson has yet to pitch.

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  25. Cozens gets the rest of the day off after going 2-3 with 2rbi, 2sb, and one K in the second game. Up to .357, but one caveat is that he is still striking out more than you’d like versus this level of competition.

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    2. I might be a little off with the numbers but adding in today’s stats he has 18K’s in 67 PA giving a K% of 27% which is James and Valle’s rate. Not great but not horrendous for someone with less than 100 professional plate appearances. His BB% is 12% which is very good so all that you can say at this point is he is working deep counts and he isn’t just flailing away.

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  26. Cozens’s last 10, not including the ‘2nd’ game today which certainly didn’t hurt his cause;

    .389 / .476 / .694 / 1.171

    That’s pretty sick for a HS kid. Small sample or otherwise

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        1. Thats foolish. He was good enough of an athlete to get a D1 football scholarship for Arizona. If he can play DE in college, I’m sure he won’t cause problems in RF.

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        2. Just wondering, if it is one of the scouts who did not have him in the top 500? It still has to play out where he will eventaully end up, and right now the Phillies’ org are comfortable with him in the OF.

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    1. I am so happy for him that he will be able to get back onto the field and have a lot of playing time before the year ends. I’ve seen Gillies play a couple of times and each time I saw him I came away with the same conclusion – this guy is a big time talent and future major leaguer. He is not a potential bench player – he is a potential viable replacement for Shane Victorino. He just needs to stay on the field. His major leg problems are over. The latest injury was a pure fluke that could happen to anyone. Unfortunately, the injuries mean he is at least another year away from a big league debut, but he has it in him. This guy is a very, very good baseball player.

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  28. something i’m still a little bitter about is how Joey Gallo was taken a pick before us. have you seen this guys numbers or is it just that the Texas GCL league is more hitter friendly

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        1. Nik, why does Amaro bashing have to keep showing up in a prospects blog? I know that this Phillies team seems to have run out of fuel but they gave us five great years. Now it is time to reload for 2013 and beyond.

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        2. So could every major league team. He dropped to 39. Do you think the Phillies would have taken him if he had dropped to 40? This isn’t the NBA draft. This isn’t the NFL draft.

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    2. Well if RAJ hadn’t screwed the pooch and signed our $50mm closer a week to soon we would still of had our 1st round pick…..i think. I’m sure we can blame RAJ some how.

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      1. Yes they would of have kept their pick and Boston probably would of been compensated with a sandwich round pick and a second round pick right before the Phills.

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      1. that’s good so him and cozens are about even with cozen probably having more power so i don’t care any more lets go cozens

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  29. Wow! Lok at what Cozens is doing. .357 batting average,stole two bases today.If he keeps this up,and starts to hit for more power,(homeruns) watch him shoot up the charts! how’s his defense,does he have a good throwing arm?

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  30. Hey everyone! I love reading everyone comments here all the time. I normally don’t post, but I have a question about Zach Green. I have been impressed with his hot start so far in the GCL especially coming right out of high school. I know he is young, but anyone have more information on this guy? I love his size and strong start. Could he be legit? Thanks for your time!

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    1. He was a 3rd round pick who signed for overslot.
      From Perfect Game:
      Zach Green is a 2012 SS/3B with a 6-3 190 lb. frame from Rocklin, CA who attends Jesuit HS. Tall angular build, very square shoulders, plenty of strength potential. 6.92 runner, easy gliding actions, soft hands with a smooth exchange, release and arm stroke a bit long, arm strength may be more suited to third base. Simple swing mechanics, early leg lift stride, quick hands to the ball, short swing with bat speed, can extend better to develop power, lots of potential with added strength, has the hands to hit. Good student, verbal commitment to Oregon State.

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      1. From Philly Central:
        ……Green would still be a solid addition though as their 5th player chosen in the draft. With his size, at some point he’s going to have to move to third base, and that means his bat will have to develop. His frame should allow him to develop above average power, but his swing can get a bit lengthy. He’s not a great athlete but does have the arm for the hot corner. Green is committed to Oregon State, but if the Phillies took him this high, they probably know what it’ll take to get him signed.

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  31. Glad to see Zack Green get some attention. IF he has good lateral movement, those soft hands, and the strong arm mentioned, he could be given time at SS to see how he does…and whether he needs to move to 3rd. However, with the multitude of lefty (expected) power hitters in the system, we’ll definitely need a righty bat with some power to offset the lefty majority.

    If not SS or 3rd base (3rd base seems now to have been inviting to several other good prospects–Walding, etc.) then why not left field for Zack?

    He seems to have the best righty potential power hitting guy in the system, even though he just signed on. I’d like to watch a SS try, but if not there, then LF!

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    1. Agree with you there. If he grows and gets stronger, a right-handed power bat in LF would be beneficial.

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    2. Word is that Green is a much better defensive player than Walding. Better hands, glove, etc. Moves very well for a big kid. Both Walding and Green have great power potential, we will just have to wait and see how long Green can stick at SS.

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      1. Green has already moved off SS. He was announced as a 3B in the draft, and played almost entirely at 3B so far. His body size profiles as a 3B more than a SS.

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        1. I believe Green was announced as a SS in the draft – that wouldn’t likely stick at SS.

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  32. I’ve just been wondering if there are going to be more profiles added for the 2011 and 2012 draft class because i would love to see what you guys give their tools on the 20-80 scale especially Larry Greene and cozens and Zach green.

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  34. Philly.com Top 25 Phils Prospects. I don’t have time to think about who they missed, but I’ll gladly reorder their list for them, and then I’m sure their and my list will be reordered by some other fine commenters on this site. This is a fun topic.

    Philly.com (Anonymous)
    1 May (Biddle)
    2 Biddle (C Hernandez)
    3 Pettibone (May)
    4 Bonilla (Franco)
    5 Valle (Colvin)
    6 Colvin (Valle)
    7 C Hernandez (Pettibone)
    8 Quinn (Tocci)
    9 DeFratus (Walding)
    10 Aumont (Quinn)
    11 Asche (Greene Jr)
    12 Greene Jr (Asche)
    13 J Rodriguez (Cozens)
    14 Franco (Aumont)
    15 Tocci (DeFratus)
    16 Walding (Gillies)
    17 Castro (Bonilla)
    18 Cloyd (Collier)
    19 Knigge (Castro)
    20 Gillies (Altherr)
    21 Cozens (Morgan)
    22 Morgan (J Rodriguez)
    23 Altherr (Knigge)
    24 James (James)
    25 Collier (Cloyd)

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    1. Looking at this list…if these specs finish out the year at the pace they are on I’ll be very happy with the system.

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    3. Fairly decent list. My only major deviation is that I have Morgan about 15 spots higher and Garner in the late teens. There will be a lot of movement the rest of the year, especially with the guys in their first pro season.

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    4. You definitely like Green Jr. I also like that Collier made your list. My favorite players to follow are: Green Jr, Asche, Walding, Cozens, Knigge, Franco, Colvin, Biddle. Just seem them as core of high upside players currently in phillies minor league system

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    6. Their ranking of Collier, James and Altherr bunched together at 23-25 is a lazy assessment. Injured reliever, DeFratus, is too high. Morgan is much too low. Austin Wright should be in the top 15. Colvin hasn’t done enough, to keep his high status in the top 10. And a 24 year old relief pitcher in A ball, shouldnt be on any teams’ top 20.
      Good thing about the list, is they acknowledged most of the new guys.

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  36. My question to people on here is this. Does anymore think the phillies would have given 2.25 million to gallo?? imo they wouldnt have paid that much for him.

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    1. Unlikely. Like it or not, it isn’t the Phillies draft strategy to select guys like that. They would rather pick a bunch of talented players then just one that is priced at that point. In other words, they’d rather sign three guys for $500K than one guy at $1.5M. Both sides have pros and cons. It’s just a matter of how much risk you are comfortable taking.

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