Box Score Recap 7-7-2012

Box Score Recap

Adam Morgan last two starts – 13 IP, 0R, 5H, 2BB, 16K.  His season K/BB sits at an even 4/1.  Hardly a platoon split to be found.  Also, Chris Serritella has a 3 game HR streak, and multi-hit games in 5 of his last 8.  Mashin’.

LV  REA  CLR  LKW  WIL  GCL  DSL  VSL

124 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 7-7-2012”

      1. Agree. His K rate is now 47% for 2012. Over the last ten games, Greene has 22 Ks in 39 AB. Not good.

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  2. Harold Martinez has to be the most dissapointing prospect for me this year. I expected alot more from him. Martinez, Tyler Greene, The falling off of Gauntlett and Pointer, and the consistant injuries of Gillies and Brown. All have been huge letdowns for me.

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    1. Brown has been up and down (as far as his stock) for a while.. I think the phillies mishandled him, by bringing up to the bigs too quickly — almost like a trophy draft pick – to go head to head with Stanton, Heyward, Davis, etc.. Raj admitted as much.. Now with the injuries his path to a successful career have slowed him down even more.

      Also – if any of the Lee3 make it & are successful at the ML level, it’s a bonus..
      Keeping expectation on TG JCR PA at a reasonable level…

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      1. I mean, you can make an argument the Phillies mishandled at certain times; but I think you can also assert in the past 2-3 years he’s been injury prone, and that’s impacted him more than anything else.

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  3. Seritella could be a big surprise to us. He kinda slipped by scouts’ attention before the draft. Glad to see some power amidst our newbies.

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    1. Question: Seritella is 22 and in SS. What would be a good minor league timetable to expect from him over the next 2-3 years, if for arguments sake he continues to surprise and put up good numbers. FSL next year?

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      1. Sky is the limit for Kelly D at this point. Can see him being a top 100 guy by this time next year

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        2. Dugan would have to get triple jumped to AAA and OPS 1.000, at that level, to get close to top 100.

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      2. As VOR said, next year he would likely start in Clearwater. If he’s a legit prospect he probably would rake there and get promoted to Reading at some point during the season. With continued rakeage he should at least be ready for AAA by 2014.

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      3. FSL, yeah. Age isn’t a big deal in the NY-Penn League if he’s a rookie. He’s just getting his feet wet, and as an advanced prospect he’s getting his feet wet. Not an elite prospect, but he’s a guy who could make the top 30 the offseason after this one.

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    2. I read a report form a scout that said Serritella had one of the prettiest swings in the draft but he also said hes a future bench player.

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      1. Looks like patience and power are already there. I wouldn’t quite set his ceiling just yet.

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        1. They need to bring in Ron Washington and Brad Pitt to teach him to play better defense. That seems to work.

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      2. That sounds contradictory to me. Why put such a low ceiling on a guy after such high praise?

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      3. I usually don’t pay any attention to college guys in low A, but I am a little intrigued by Serritella. Looking at him (on youtube and television) his swing and the way he moves reminds me of Sean Casey.
        They’ll probably move Serritella to Clearwater to start the season next year, whether he plays at Lakewood or not. That’s not uncommon for college hitters, especially a 4 year junior.

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  4. The cynic in me see’s Serritella as an other quad-A masher that the Phils have done a good job of drafting the last couple of years, but being a high pick I hold out some hope that he’ll amount to more than the Riz’s, Ruf’s, and Overbecks…at 1st base it’s pretty hard to hang on as a bench player, so the hope is that he could at least play some left field in a pinch?

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  5. Phils really need to keep Serritella moving along. Another couple games like this at Williamsport and its time to get him over into Lakewood. If he finishes strong there, put him in Clearwater next spring.

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    1. I would say no matter where he finishes, he could be in CLR next spring. Though he wasn’t a major college program guy, so they may move him more slowly than say, Cody Asche. And he was an early round guy, so it’s not a total throw-away pick. If they think his D can eventually cut it, they’ll give him time to work on that at whichever level they think is best.

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        3. Was at the game last night in Richmond. I’m curious what Asche’s BABIP is like as he hit a seed at the Right fielder in his first AB, followed up by a sharply hit 1-hopper @ the 1B in his second. Pretty and compact swing for a lefty as well as a body-type that looks like would generate power with some more filling out. Although he made most, if not all plays on balls hit his way on the hot corner, I noticed that he had some difficulty fielding the balls cleanly. I am by no means a talent evaluator so not trying to knock his sure-handedness, but just an observation.

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  6. Dang! Castro just keeps hitting. Doesn’t he ever let up! He is determined to become a prospect.

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  7. Update on Dom Brown from philly.com:
    ‘Outfielder Domonic Brown flew to Clearwater, Fla., on Friday as he continues to rehab his right knee. Brown, 24, has not played for triple-A Lehigh Valley since straining the knee June 14. In 47 games with the IronPigs this season, he is hitting .266. Brown began taking batting practice at Lehigh Valley last week, according to the Allentown Morning Call, and while in Clearwater he is expected to play in some Gulf Coast League games before returning to the IronPigs’

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    1. Excellent news, but I wonder what is the point of flying out to Florida for rehab? Why not just rehab with the IronPigs? PS I fully expect him to be brought up to the Phillies soon after the ASB as they need to figure out if he can be the Left Fielder next season.

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      1. At this rate, how about center fielder? It sounded like he was more comfortable both in the field and at the plate playing CF, and if RAJ can trade Victorino in the next few weeks, no harm in giving him an audition in Philly.

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        2. Maybe Vic in one deal and Hunter in another. Henter Pence could get some return since he still has another year…2013… to go before he is eligible for FA.

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          1. Hunter Pence is better than what we can get on the FA market and will likely be needed for our chances next year.

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            1. I’d prefer to trade Hunter Pence much more than Victorino. In fact, I wouldn’t trade Victorino unless I were bowled over. The Phillies will receive picks for Victorino. Pence will not be worth whatever his arbitration number is, and Ruben will likely overpay on an extension, to avoid arbitration.

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            2. Right. Vic is likely to turn down a qualifying offer though I think the Phils wouldn’t be disappointed if he accepted (12mm or so). Still, I’d expect him to receive a 3 year deal on the open market. So, for argument’s sake, let’s assume he would decline and the Phils receive comp picks. Would a team rent Victorino for 2-months at a return which is greater than the value of the two comp picks? I seriously doubt it.

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            3. Pence will absolutely be worth his arb # next year. Arbitrators don’t have “local whipping boy” syndrome.

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            5. Seriosuly, you actually believe that Hunter will be worth his arb money. His defense alone is a real detriment. Understand he will get an outlandish dollar figure…but not sure it is worth the rate on return. Lets face it…he could command $14/15M annum.

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            7. One off the top of my head…Swisher…his glove alone out produces him, don’t even need to menton his bat. And he thrives in pressure situations. When was the last time Mr Pence had a so-called ‘clutch’ hit!

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      2. you rehab at levels that are lower than where you play. You face challenging pitchers, but who are not yet refined in their craft…

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      3. I like him rehabbing with a few GCL games, Brown is clearly an emotional player and I think if he builds up some confidence in the lower leagues it will carry over into AAA and hopefully the majors.

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  8. sat in the 100 f heat in richmond and didn’t enjoy it.not much good to say about the reading game last night. pettibone was hammered. even most outs were hit hard. castro had two singles, the first, a nice piece of hitting, poking an outside pitch to right, to drive in their only run. also made a good running catch to save some early runs. every time I’ve seen him play, he’s done something impressive. he looks like ballplayer. at least a 4th outfielder, maybe more. best sight of the night was gillies working out hard before the game. multiple sets of fast sit-ups and 50 yards full speed sprints. was in uniform for the game but did not play. doesn’t appear to be far away for playing. hopefully, this weekend.

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    1. He is only 4 starts off an injury, and only the last 2 of those were good. Hard to see them moving him right now.

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  11. Went up to Staten Island last night and watched the Crosscutters lose to the Yankees mainly because of too many walks followed by giving up big extra base hits. As for the offense, the most polished hitter, as expected due to being a college guy, was Serrintella. He really rocked his 1st inning HR and showed good plate discipline all night, even facing a lefty for a few ab’s. Even though he didn’t get a hit Walding looked good in his AB’s. Quinn batting left-handed popped up a bunt and K’ed; then hit a solid single up the middle batting right-handed. Both Greene’s did not look good at all, neither making any good contact at all.

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    1. Did Larry’s bat look slow or was he swinging at bad pitches? I have heard people on here mention some reports of a slow bat and wonder if he had a Brown like long swing or slow hands.

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      1. I watched the game on MiLB.com, which shows the camera from behind the plate. He wasn’t chasing a ton of stuff, but the first pitcher blew a few FB by him. It wasn’t just LG that couldn’t catch up with him though, as he had a pretty good FB for this level.

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        1. I also watched the game, while he didn’t get a hit, I like the swing on Walding, really looking forward to seeing how he progresses. Tough night for the Greene’s with 6 k’s between them, you can see that T.Greene likes to swing.

          The Crosscutters game is on Milb.tv again today at 4.

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      2. He seemed to have alright plate discipline until he got to two strikes. Then he struck out on high fastballs, your bat will generally look slow swinging at the high stuff though

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      3. In this game I felt he was swinging at high pitches, but I didn’t have the view you get from a TV camera. He doesn’t appear to have a long swing.

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  12. Another guy who should be in the majors as soon as the ASB is over Tyler Cloyd — his work is phenomenal — he has earned it…

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    1. I agree but he won’t unless two starters get traded or there is a need for a spot start. Its unfortunate but with Halladay coming back there is no spot in the rotation for him. It all comes down to money, Blanton and Kendrick have big league contracts and unless they implode a la Adam Eaton, they are going to continue to keep their spots in the rotation.

      I think the Phillies should deal two pitchers at the deadline and call Cloyd up and see if he can make it. A rotation with him and Worley as 4 and 5 next year would be cheap and give us more financial flexibility to fix other holes.

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  13. Phils can make a few small moves and get some addition by subtraction. Contending teams like the Pirates or Reds may be interested in guys time Blanton and Pierre. They can either leave Kendrick in # 5 spot or call up someone up. I like Pierre and the bench would be weakened somewhat, but some moves need to be made to shake things up and get the club going. Some bullpen help would go a long way with the return of Utley and Howard. You roll the dice with the bench.

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  14. Victorino a late scratch from the lineup, speculation is that he’s been traded. If so, we might have a couple new guys to talk about very soon. Hard to get excited about the possible departure of such a dynamic part of the glory years, but it is what it is. At least it might liven up the conversation around here for a while…

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    1. Or, according to further updates on Twitter, it may just be that he’s fighting with Manuel. Grrrrrrrreat!

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    2. Zach Links… MLBTR:
      Shane Victorino was a late scratch for today’s game against the Braves, but it’s apparently nothing more than a manager’s decision by skipper Charlie Manuel. However, Victorino doesn’t appear to be long for Philadelphia anyway as he will almost certainly sign elsewhere if he is not dealt before July 31st, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. People familiar with the familiar with the Phillies’ thinking have suggested that while they intend to make a strong effort to keep Cole Hamels, their efforts to retain the outfielder are expected to be lukewarm at best. The Dodgers have a bit of interest in Victorino while he could also be a fit for the Pirates, Indians, and Tigers, Heyman tweets. More Sunday afternoon linkage..

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      1. Vic isn’t doing himself any favors with his overall crappy 2012 season in his free agent year. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Phils trade Vic, even though it would leave a void in CF and I doubt he would bring more than a couple mid-level prospects in return.

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  15. I saw the game yesterday and greene bat to the naked eye looks,slow. hope I am wrong but this kid to me will struggle, with better pitching,if he cant hit a fastball,. but only one game.

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    1. I wish you would attach your name to your illiterate rants, roccom. It’s easier to ignore with your name attached.

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  16. damm through i put my name on there .my fault, amd illerate rants, thank you.. coming from a moran like you,that is a complment,what a jerk, and I would bet money larry greene never makes it seeing what i saw last night,

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  17. Amd, is this what we really want this site to turn into? Lets make our point without the bashing please. Its really getting old in a hurry.

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  18. markymark, sorry to all, i made a point stupid in someone opinion or not,why the name calling. cant make any points on here,that someone who disagrees doesnt called you a name, no need for that, and i have to lower myself and response , i am sorry i lowered my self to that kids level, wont happen again, will try to keep the site,the way it used to be,make a point and others either discuss it or more on,

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    1. Roccom, I don’t mean this as an insult. But as someone who also struggles with spelling and grammar(especially when typing, it can be very hard for your hands to keep up with your thoughts) I’ve learned that taking the time to proofread what you type at least twice, will really help people focus on the content of what you are saying.

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  19. Given what these players have gone through with the extreme heat, I’d cut them some slack as far as production. Especially in Williamsport and Reading where they don’t always enjoy the most modern of facilities. The All-Star break can’t come soon enough for these guys.

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  21. Aaaaaaaand for those of you excited to see Lisalberto Bonilla in the Futures Game, he apparently hurt his thumb roughhousing with the guys at the hotel last night. Hand’s all swollen up, Matt Gelb tweets. Ladies and Gentlemen… your Phillies of the future!

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    1. I am suck of this nonsense.

      I guess in the long run a futures game appearance isn’t a big deal. I hope Bonilla turns out to be as good as the last Phillie I can think of to hurt his hand while “roughhousing”.

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  22. Williamsport puts up 10 in the first two innings. Quinn/Numata/Perkins lead off the game with THREE STRAIGHT TRIPLES. Can’t say I’ve ever seen that! Pointer with 2 HR.

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      1. I watched the game, but missed his first hit (which was opposite field). His 2nd hit should have been fielded by the 2b. His 3rd hit was hit hard on the ground between 1st and 2nd. Overall, he looked ‘ok’. Pointer obviously looked better, as did Seritella, Walding, and Quinn. Numata also appeared to have a good approach at the plate and hit the hardest non-Pointer ball of the day.

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        1. over the last three games though he has batted .333 but has been taken less walks so I mean he could be getting better but its still a small sample size. but i haven’t seen him and you have so well go with what your saying but he is still young though and he could develop and change and become a great player but its all guessing for now.

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  25. anyone else here depressed watching gose and singleton shine in the futures game? matt gelb tweeted that the phillies were short-sighted only trying singleton in the outfield for 30-some games before moving him back to first. he makes a good point. and gose would look awfully look as a replacement for shane next year. sigh …

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    1. Were you depressed watching three of the best seasons in Phillies history? I sure wasn’t.

      In less woe-is-me news (is that allowed on Phillies bolgs this season?), Brody Colvin might want to start apartment-hunting in Reading. (Pro tip, Brody: don’t live in Reading.)

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    2. really only think the Pence deal was a mistake because of his lack of production this year and what hes getting paid. Im not big on Gose and Oswalt was solid. Villar is putting together a solid year though. Halladay has been more than worth anything given up in that deal.

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  26. the team didn’t win a WS with oswalt, which was the whole point of the deal, so i have to consider that trade not a good one, especially considering what they gave up. and pence has been a disappointment in my book. i thought he’d elevate his game with utley and howard out. in the interest of full disclosure, i favored both trades, but i was concerned even then about including singleton.

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    1. I think the point of the Oswalt trade was to get to the World Series. Don’t forget, they were scuffling and even thinking of trading Werth shortly before they did that deal. Oswalt was fantastic the rest of the way. Maybe they would have made the playoffs with Happ in their rotation anyway, maybe not, hard to gauge the psychological effect on the team of such acquisitions.

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  29. This is tough to watch, Singleton is going to be a star, can’t give up someone that good for Hunter Pence.

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    1. that trade’s looking worse every day. they gave up less for halladay, who’s a first ballot hall of famer.

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      1. a first ballot Hall of Famer who had one year left of control and forced his way to the Phillies.

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      2. They still game up more for Halladay. D’Arnault is better than Singleton, and Drabek/Taylor are at least comparable if not better than Cosart/Santana/Zeid.

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    2. Singleton’s a good prospect, but I think we tend to exaggerate his potential when discussing the Pence deal. He’s a first baseman who has never had an OPS higher than .900 outside of the X-Box confines of the California League.

      For that, the Phils received two-and-a-half years of a bona fide, proven MLB hitter at a time when their offense clearly needed it. Say what you will about Pence, but he’s on pace for 30 HR and 100 RBI this year.

      I can’t fault RAJ for making that deal.

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  30. Decent day in the minors. Castro 2 more hits. Collier goes deep. Pointer 2 bombs!, Larry Green 2 hits. Walding keeps on hitting. And of course most importantly Colvin is getting back some of that 2010 prospect shine.

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  31. btw, here’s an update on alec rash from the philly inquirer. he’s not signing with the phillies. the phils were never going to spend more than slot on him. sounds like the team wasn’t thrilled with the family’s supposedly shifting demands.

    Alec Rash, one of the Phillies’ second-round picks from last month’s draft, will not sign with the team, his father told the Des Moines Register on Friday. Instead, the pitcher will enroll at Missouri.

    Mike Rash said he and his family met with Phillies officials four times to negotiate a contract. The family requested $800,000. The Phillies offered $500,000 in addition to $120,000 for college, Mike Rash said.

    According to Baseball America, the Phillies could offer Alec Rash only $693,100 without being penalized. As part of the labor agreement between Major League Baseball and the players union, each team was limited in how much money it could spend on draft picks this year.

    The Phillies had only $693,100 left to spend on Rash. They could pay him more, but the team would be taxed and could lose future draft picks.

    Phillies assistant general manager Marti Wolever said the team would not have offered Rash anything more than the recommended money for his slot in the draft even if there were no tax.

    “Quite frankly, he hasn’t performed like a player deserving of more than the slot,” Wolever said. “It’s probably best for him to go to school.”

    Rash’s father told the Des Moines Register that he had been transparent before the draft about contract demands. But Wolever said that wasn’t the case.

    “He seemed to have a different price for every team,” he said. “It changed depending on the day.”

    Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/161697865.html#ixzz204pcgkw6
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    1. Sounds like Marti is bitter to me. Marti screwed up and is now trying to flip the script and say hey we didnt want him anyway. Alec rash could end up being the best pitcher from this draft. Our system is in trouble. Our big club is falling apart. We need all the prospects we can get. To not save an extra 200,000 by not signing someone like N.Hanson, M.Sisto, A.Anderson, Golden, cooper, Brusssard, Bielski. or one of the million RHP’s Is just stupid. After Shane Watson and Cozens id rather have Rash than anyone else in the draft. How would Marti know if he had a different price for evey team did he actuallly call teams and ask hey what did Rash say he would sign for. Just another Phillies fail. Ill see you Rash in 3 years when your a 1st round pick of the red sox.

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      2. marti could be telling the truth here. i remember reading that the phillies were confident after the draft they could sign rash. if they really wanted him, i wonder why they didn’t go above slot as much as they could without incurring a penalty. still, this is a huge risk for rash. the chances of him being drafted higher than this after three years of college, and the risk of injury, aren’t great. 500k is a lot to turn down.

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        1. This family had an advisor going into the draft and based on the representations of the advisor, the phillies went ahead and drafted him. Then dad goes undoes who deal, fires the advisor and gets greedy. This is why we are where we are today. Phillies tried but Mike Rash flip-flopped every day.

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            1. I find that Anon’s insight just as valuable as everyone else posting pretending they know what happened. What separates his story from EVERY PERSON ON HERE posting, pretending they know that Marti is an idiot and didn’t do his due diligence with Rash’?

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      3. This isn’t about the bonuses the Phillies paid to other draft picks. I gotta believe the Phillies could afford to pay Rash $800k if they really wanted to. They just didn’t want to, probably for three primary reasons:

        – They didn’t want to go above slot ($500k)
        – They don’t think Rash merits $800k
        – The Rash family (i.e., the father) changed their demands (according to Marti)

        None of us know for sure whether the last item is true, but we do know that Mike Rash went public with dollar figures, which sure seems unnecessary and unwise. Given this degree of parental involvement, I tend to believe Marti.

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        1. Assuming they use the 200k extra they have for other signings, they probably just believe that the 95th next year plus that 200k for 1-2 more guys is worth more than Rash.

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  33. I really didn’t mind the trade for Pence, didnt want to lose Singleton, but we were getting a allstar right fielder, so it was okay with me,but not seeing pence a lot, I based it on his numbers,and his allstar pick, now after watching him play, the most dissapointing thing to me is his defense, he drops fly balls, and is not in my opinion a very good outfielder, has a great arm, but not a great fielder, and that is why, I argue so much on seeing guys, and not judgeing players based just on numbers, But when you going for a championship these things happen, you overpaid sometimes to try to win, I rather do that , then let a chance to win go by, waiting for a prospect to develop, do you think without the trade for hallady, and pence, lee we win 102 games, and win 5 eastern titles in a row,maybe but would have been harder.And as good as these kids look,they still are just good prospects,

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      2. an annoying thing he does and I guess he always has is put up empty numbers. Anyone who doesnt watch the Phillie will say oh 30 hrs 90 RBI. When in actuality hes been an absolute thorn in the side for this ball club.

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        1. Sigh, “empty numbers.” I was the biggest hater of the trade at the time, and have certainly not changed my mind, but Pence is having a typical Pence season – a little better offensively, a little worse defensively – is the Phillies second best hitter this season, and second or thrid best position player overall. He is what he is, but there’s nothing “empty” about his numbers. The Phillies would be much worse without him.

          The big picture regarding the trade remains the same: Pence is a solid, above average corner OF, but not a star, at a not signficantly below market price. Singleton is just confirming what many of us realized a year ago: he is likely headed for an all star career. All the usual caveats apply, but position players of his age/level/performance profile very rarely fail to become at least solid major league regulars and usually more than that.

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          1. Yes, you were very right in your strident criticism of the trade. Although the logic of it seemed powerful at the time. Remember when the biggest problem we had was the lack of a right-handed bat to protect Howard in the lineup for the playoffs? And solving that problem seemed crucial enough to justify parting with two future major league players and a monster outfielder to be named later? Yeah, seems like a long time ago.

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    2. A lot of people who hadn’t seen him play that much still didn’t like the trade at the time it was made. Pence had shown good but not great power and fairly mediocre on-base skills. I didn’t realize his defense was so poor, but even just from looking at the numbers I thought they gave up too much.

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      1. Got to give Pence credit for one thing…he is a pretty good power back rounding third heading for a touchdown.

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      2. I’d add that, for major league players with a track record, as opposed to minor league players, or major leaguers who are not yet established, the numbers, properly interpretted, really do usually tell you almost all you need about the player, even absent in person observations. The major exception is sometimes defense (though in Pence’s case the defensive metrics since he joined the Phillies are entirely consitent with fan’s subjective evaluations of his defense). Of course minor leaguers are a different story.

        I do think it’s hilarious (if unfair to Pence) how fan perceptions have changed regarding Pence over the past year – not based so much on “personal observations,” but based upon excessive expectations based upon last year’s career year, combined with a slow start this year. He’s essentially the same player he always was.

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