Box Score Recap 6-30-2012

Box Score Recap

Kinda interested in this catcher they got for Jim Thome.  Also interested in Kyrell Hudson with 4 hits.  If he could do that thrice a week, he’d be all set.  Someone let him know I suggested that.

LV  REA  CLR  LKW  WIL  GCL  DSL  VSL1  VSL2

 

84 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 6-30-2012”

  2. At what point do we start to worry about Cody Asche?

    He’s off to a wicked slow start in Reading now with just 3 hits in his first 29 ABs. He’s not striking out a lot so that’s a good sign. 6 SO is under 20%. Anyone here seen him play in Reading yet? Is it just bad luck hitting balls at guys or is he getting overpowered by more advanced pitching?

    Hopefully he’s just adjusting a little slowly.

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    1. meh. there’s almost always an adjustment period when guys move up a level. If he’s not hitting by the end of the season, then we worry.

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      1. I’m not too worried. I mean, obviously its great to see a guy hit the ground running. I was more hoping to spur someone to come on and tell me “Yeah I was at Reading a couple times this week and he’s taking good hacks”.

        I try not to get worked up at small sample sizes…especially in the minors.

        Meanwhile, in Williamsport, Mitch Walding is tearing the cover off the ball with a nice hot start.

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        1. I was at Reading earlier this week. He had a bad K on horrid breaking stuff down and wide, but also hit too line drives, which were hit just a little too hard to drop, before the CF could catch them.

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    2. Bryce Harper started off really slow when he got to AA also. A ball to AA is the biggest transition that a hitter makes in the minors because they start seeing breaking stuff in AA. I’m not worried about Asche at this point.

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    3. Similar to how his BABIP was ridiculously high in Clearwater, his BABIP is ridiculously low in Reading.

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  3. I don’t get Larry Greene batting 7th. Quinn is piling up the errors at SS, i know it’s early but wonder when they start considering the move some projected to CF.

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    1. I think they’ll give Quinn the entire short season at SS regardless to see if he can improve defensively. His offensive value is so, so much higher there that they’ll give him every chance to figure things out. For example, they gave Hewitt two full seasons at 3B before giving up on him (33 errors later with a .832%).

      Also, with Walding focused on learning 3B, the only other option would be Tyler Greene and he was just as bad at SS in Lakewood (10 errors in 23 games)

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    2. Greene is batting 6-7th so he doesn’t have a ton of pressure to try to carry the offense in the middle of the order. That is why you see Serritella and Perkins on that team and in the middle of the lineup.

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    2. Well it probably would be better for Tug’s career if he learned how to throw a knuckleball.

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  7. Worried about Quinn at SS. He has a error in almost evrygame. I was excited last year when we drafted 3 SS but they moved Walding to 3B then they moved Tyler to 2B which i disagree with and Quinn isnt getting it done. its got to be bad whewn everygame you have a error. I could play 3 games at SS and go at least 1 game without a error. I think they need to start giving Tyler more reps at SS

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    1. I doubt you are worried. More like hoping they move Quinn, so you can feel correct in your original thought that Greene would be the future SS.

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      2. Not true. Of course i want Quinn to succeed. I also think he is a better prospect than Greene. I just dont think they should write off Greene at SS already.

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        1. I doubt they have, but they also want him to play every day, and if he can play 2b well that will also help.

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    2. Jimmy Rollins had 20 errors in 49 games in his first taste of short season ball. Ozzie Smith had 23 errors in 65 games in his only minor league season in low A. It’s not uncommon for players to make a lot of errors in the low minors.

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    3. Remember, he’s super fast and is probably getting to a ton of balls and just not finishing the play. His work with the bat has been VERY encouraging. I was sure he’d get blown away, but so far he hasn’t…even takes a few walks!

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    4. Derek Jeter had 56 errors at single-A.

      15 games into his professional career, it is not the time to worry about Quinn.

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    5. I’m not worried about Quinn in the least bit. Let’s understand he’s only been playing shortstop for less than a year. Of the errors of his I’ve seen, I’d only call one careless, and that was just a bad throw to second on what should have been an inning-ending putout. He’s taken some tough hops up into his chest and gut that have been scored errors. He’s nowhere near Anthony Hewitt territory as far as being a liability on the field. He’s got very good range, especially going up the middle and going back on pop ups. I’d say he’s got an above average arm, and he’ll get to balls in the hole between shortstop and third base that I wouldn’t expect him to. He just needs to learn when it’s OK to unleash a throw and when he should just eat it. But being young and eager, he’s probably going to err to the side of trying to make a play. He’s smooth, has soft hands, is working on his foot-work. Yeah, he’s a project at shortstop, but so is Mitch Walding at third, Larry Greene in left field and Chace Numata at catcher. Best part is none of them are even 20 years old yet. Nothing to get worked up about right now.

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    1. Cesar is on the 40 man so I would think that they’d move him up sometime this year. Ruf could certainly play at LHV, but I doubt they move him unless there is an injury on the Iron Pigs.

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      1. I wonder if they give Castro a bump since they moved Pridie up, or if they just run with what they have in AAA until Dom gets back. I would probably give him a shot and see how it goes, but that’s just me. I would kind of be surprised if the Phils did that.

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    2. Both Castro and Cesar could learn to take more walks. There’s no need to rush them right now. Moving up Ruf on the other hand, I agree with.

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  9. Saw the Williamsport team last night and the two guys that stood out are Walding and Quinn. Walding has a great stroke at the plate and I talked to a contact at the game and said his swing reminded him of Nolan Arenado the Rockies future 3rd baseman. The same contact said Walding put up an absolute show in BP. He has a very smooth swing and did not looked overmatched at all. Roman Quinn, he is very very fast, stole 2nd base standing up as he didn’t even need to slide. His errors weren’t entirely his fault, the first one was poor footwork and the 2nd error should have been on the 1st baseman as he missed the ball. I don’t know how much pop Quinn will ever have, he looks to be 5’7 140 soaking wet. Larry Greene, very mediocre, looks poor in the outfield with below average range and a below average arm to boot. At the plate, it looked like he has maybe average bat speed, it’s well below Walding’s, and he struggled with offspeed stuff. His speed down the line is probably a 30 to 40 runner at best and I think he should be at 1st. Tyler Greene, bad attitude and over match quite a bit at the plate, and disregard the two hits he had, they were short little bloop hits. Tyler Greene looks like a guy who may not make it out of A-Ball.

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    1. Tyler Greene ‘attitude’? I assume it is his ‘body language’ or maybe something else?

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    2. See, here’s the thing. There seems to be some kind of stereotype around here that the “stat” guys ignore or don’t appropriately consider personal observations. That’s certainly not true of me, and I suspect not of most of the stat guys. So normally I would welcome this.

      But there is always a worry – frankly most people don’t have the knowledge/experience to make valuable observations. Despite that, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. And I wold here except for the comments about T. Green’s attitude, which completely invalidates every other observation you make.

      One more person added to the list of people around here who I can safely ignore.

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      1. I suspect Greene may well be feeling down after his good 2011 GCL performance and brief fast start turned into crap at Lakewood and he got demoted. He made need FIL and off-season to consider what went wrong, regroup, change his approach a little, and come out loaded for bear in 2013. The looking lost by the time he left Lakewood, being demoted, and being moved off SS may have him feeling quite shell shocked. It is a lot of adversity all at once for such a young guy. Hopefully he learns and profits from it. When he was drafted, it was thought he would be something of a project, then he started so fast. Now, reality strikes.

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      2. The coaches were thinking about taking him out of the game as it looked like he was dogging it in the field and was nonchalant out of the batters box as well.

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  10. Interesting that you can tell what Tyler Greene’s attitude is by watching from the stands.
    I’m not sure what the grade is, on Larry Greene’s speed. I did notice in one game last week, he has scored from 1st, on a double with less than 2 outs. In another game, he scored from 2nd on a single, with less than 2 out. He also has a steal. So if his speed rates 30-40, he is an outstanding baserunner for a young player.

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    1. mwash1983 claimed first-hand observable information…unless he is not telling the truth about seeinghim…why doubt him,when wha you do is take something out of a boxscore, where the OFs could have juggled the ball a bit, or slipped or whatever, and Greene was able to get the extra base.
      And as far as going to first base, most all baseball people predicted that will be his final defensive stop anyway down the road.

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      1. Because it is absolutely, 100% impossible for any outsider observing a player from the stands to tell anything at all about his attitude.

        It’s kind of like reading a sane sounding political commentary, concluding with a sentence claiming that Obama is a secret muslim born in Kenya. The last sentence of craziness makes me discount the (seemingly) sane comments that proceeded it.

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        1. Yes. Funny how everything said was perfectly reasonable, but as soon as the silly comment about Greene’s attitude is read, it calls everything else into question.

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          1. Actually I’d even believe the attitude comment if it was followed by any kind of evidence at all… Like he charged at the pitcher with his bat after a brush back or he pouted after making an error, allowing a runner to score.

            Something. But just “he has an attitude” is baffling considering there is. No supporting evidence.

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            2. I wouldn’t put it that way. Likely he did something to prompt the comment, but I’m not that interested in hearing about it. Give me concrete observations, not speculation about attitude based (I’m being generous) on body language or the like.

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            4. Larry u are complelty out of line here, u can tell a persons additutde watching a Phillies game on tv. Although you can not judge a person on one game or one encounter, but to act like he is a fool for thinking someone had a bad additude that night makes me question ur oppinion on everything..

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            5. Oh, I get it now, you’re just trolling. Or, at least I hope so; no one should have to got through life that stupid.

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          2. This is the exact slippery slope that makes me question anything I hear from the media these days. One ounce of editorializing spoils the entire batch.

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          3. I posted a reply above on what I saw, he was dogging it on defense and he wasn’t going hard out of the box.

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        2. I think you can say someone has bad body language, wasn’t hustling, and a nonchalant, but commenting on attitude is a little harsh

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    2. Thanks for posting that video and it looks like we have drafted a winner with Mitch Walding.

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  13. I’m making my own pilgrimage to the Crosscutters game this afternoon. Jonathan Musser pitching. Obviously I’ll share my own thoughts here and on Twitter.

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    1. I will be at Williamsport today as well. Depending where my seats are, I will also try to take some video.

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      1. Yes, getting pretty close to the point where no matter what you say you will get criticized and personally attacked.

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  14. I hesitate to make a comment about this, but I figured I should say to the guy who posted his firsthand observations of Williamsport: thank you for taking the time to share them.

    LarryM, I get what you’re saying about being confused about the throwaway line about Greene’s “attitude”. I’m similarly skeptical about discussion of such “intangibles,” especially based on firsthand observation. But really, I don’t think there’s any need to pillory someone over it. I’m sure Tyler Greene’s reputation will survive intact. I think that we should encourage people to post their firsthand observations, and give them as much weight as we choose, but really, I feel like the more information we have to consider, the better. Just take it as raw intelligence.

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    1. About certain things I agree, or at least keep quiet when I disagree. Or disagree respectfully. About that kind of “attitude” crap I do not, and not only will I not stop commenting when I see it, but I resolve to stop being so nice.

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      1. I’ve followed this site for over 3 years now and never felt the need to post, until now. The last thing anyone will call you is nice. 95% of the true, non value added arguments on this site are caused by your unwarranted attacks on people. And please note, attacks are different than presenting a respectful, well argued disagreement to someones opinion. This site is opinion based and is meant for people to have good, healthy debate because quite honestly, none of us know if we are right or wrong when dealing with prospects whose ultimate outcome is years away. I can honestly say that in the years I’ve followed this site, your growing animosity and growing disrespect towards others has been one of the only things that has hurt this site, despite the great efforts of others. What’s even more sad, is that I think you have some really good, strong opinions that often don’t receive the credit they deserve because of the way you speak to people.

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        1. +1.
          I rarely post on this site, but read it regularly. I come here for the insight that many of the posters offer. That includes you, LarryM. It is clear you know quite a bit about baseball. I do not dispute that for a second. But your attitude of world-weary resignation, the whole post of “Lord, must I really instruct these idiots in the ways of baseball,” is just getting really tiresome. You might be generally correct in your assumptions most of the time, but this doesn’t excuse your attitude. Many of us are extremely competent individuals outside the realm of sports; I like to think I am, for instance (PhD, etc). Whatever we might be, we are not morons. And so if you think some of us are engaging the phillies minor league system with a certain lack of sophistication, please express yourself in the way you would like to be addressed yourself, in some realm of your life–assuming there is one–in which you had less than perfect wisdom. It is not that hard, and you have much to offer. You just need to think a bit about how you are offering it.

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          2. I actually disagree with you guys slightly. I don’t think LarryM needs to be nice to people when he thinks they’re saying stupid stuff. I actually like it when he’s acting like he’s the only Copernican in a community of flat-earthers. That’s perfectly in-bounds in my opinion, we’re all adults here (I think).

            What I was specifically objecting to was giving someone a hard time after they posted firsthand observation from a game, which is a rare commodity around here. I value fresh information, and anyone who brings it to us should be welcomed, I feel.

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  15. Today for the first time I agree with larry, i will ignore his better than you attitude and never post on what he saids, people on here, this is a free site and say what you feel, dont let guys like larry, stop you, in this world you find people who think they know everything and that;s okay,its called freedom of speech,The funny part is larry is just like mike77 who pp got rid of. so people enjoy the site and say what you want. thats what it is for, and the reason it is here, for people to have freedom of speech and opinion.and i enjoy the first hand accounts,.ty

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  16. Andrew the only thing about someone attitude that I can say you see is,when they dont hustle after balls or run out ground balls., i am older and remember the phillies had a guy named alex johnson,the guy could hit but was totally lazy in the field and on the bases,but people always said that richie allen had a attitude problem ,but i never saw it, everything he did to me was just so easy for him, it looked like he didnt hustle.

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    1. Thanks for bringing up Alex Johnson. He was a good batsman. After the Phillies let him go, he tore up the American League. I think he played for Detroit. I think he was a member of the ill-fated 1964 team.

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  17. Quinn got an error tonight throwing a ball that he made an awesome play trying to get, but then should have just held it instead of throwing it away. Olmo made a real blunder in right field on a ball that got over his head.

    Walding just missed an opposite field HR, Larry Greene had solid contact, and ran out a basehit.

    Musser had another bad game, couldn’t pitch in the strike zone. Gonzalez pitched better than his line, he got out of a bases loaded no out jam in the 3rd that Musser created, and it seemed like he just ran out of steam the 4th inning he was out there. Cooper had a good fastball, and only threw a couple breaking pitches.

    I had no good video of tonights game, no real highlights for the Cutters. I was taping Quinn, but we didn’t get to see his awesome speed.

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    2. Great play, I thought, from Quinn. I didn’t have a problem with him making that throw, showed pretty good arm strength. Perkins needs to come off the base and block that ball. But that’s what you get with someone learning a new position.

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      1. Yea, Perkins could have came off the bag for it…I was impressed with Quinns defense, he looks very fluid out there.

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      2. That’s got to be tough. Everyone in Williamsport’s infield is learning a new position. Quinn CF-SS, Walding SS-3B, T Greene SS-2B, Perkins 3B-1B. Even Numata was a conversion from IF/Rhp to Catcher. Bound to be a lot of errors committed.

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  19. Ryan Duke — the first member of the 2011 draft class to hit AAA. He has now pitched at FOUR levels this year: LWD, CLW, REA, and LHV.

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  20. There is a lot of movement in the rosters of Lehigh Valley and Reading. LHV seems to have a great deal of pitchers, only four of whom are starters. They pitched Rosenberg and Brummit as starters today in their double-header win. Pat Misch has been sent to Reading giving them more starters than they need. Both Duke for LHV and, the newcomer, Simon for Reading pitched well. Will LHV use Friend as the closer with Aumont? Will Brummitt get more starts? His start today was impressive. Mario Hollands was undermined by two pitches that went for homers and six runs.

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    1. Misch is coming back up. Just needed roster spots for the double-bullpen-game-double-header today.

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    2. Whatcott, Duke, Gailey all back from LV to Reading tomorrow. Newly aquired RHP Simon from Reading to Clearwater bullpen, and Misch back to AAA (was in AA in name only as bradindc mentions).

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  21. First off, when looking at the Crosscutters box scores understand their hitting environment. Not only do they play in a tough hitters’ league, they play in a huge ballpark. It is 345′-350′ down the foul lines, and there is a lot of foul ground. It is a place where you could survive just by throwing strikes and lots of fly balls. You’d get killed doing that in the majors.

    On Quinn’s defense, I came away with a different impression than Wolfey. He can handle balls hit at him and make the plays. But he’s flatfooted, doesn’t read the ball off the bat and doesn’t utilize his speed at all on defense. That’s probably something he can improve on but I think he profiles better as an outfield long term, IMO.

    Musser threw fastball and maybe change-up. I didn’t pick up a breaking pitch from my vantage point. No radar readings but the Scrappers were not pulling the ball off of him, so my assumption is that he had some gas. But he had little command. I get the feeling the Phillies are having him work on only command and not letting him work on secondary pitches until he improves his control. If the control comes around, like him as a future reliever.

    The Cutters’ defense was shaky all around. Greene looked adequate in left but got poor reads on fly balls. Ditto Jan Olmo who made a bad error in right field. But being a twilight game, the sun was quite difficult to deal with.

    Jan Olmo has absolutely no plate discipline. His first three pitches led to three groundouts, and he flailed at a pitch for the fourth strikeout.

    Hard to find positives in a 9-1 loss, but Logan Moore’s defense behind the plate is worth noting. One caught stealing and two tricky defensive plays made.

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    1. Saw Musser pitch in State College a couple weeks ago. If I recall correctly his fastball was in the 89-91 range.

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      1. Makes sense. That’s the speeds I saw Biddle and Pettibone at a couple years ago. For me it’s fairly rare to see anyone much faster in the NY-Penn League.

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      2. And the gun in State College is 2-3 mph slow according to the State College manager. Luis Heredia was reading 89-92 on the stadium gun, but Turgeon said they had him 90-94 on their gun. FWIW …

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