Box Score Recap 5-18-2012

Box Score Recap

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50 thoughts on “Box Score Recap 5-18-2012”

  1. Should we be talking about Rosenberg? This guy is lights out so far this year. He’s 26 years old, anyone know what he throws and how he projects to the bigs? Have to think he might get a shot at some point this season….

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    1. saw rosenberg earlier this season pitching for reading in richmond and was surprised he was throwing 94-95.

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      1. Still remember a couple years ago Schwimmer saying Rosenberg’s stuff was disgustingly filthy.

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    2. Rosenberg had a great arm a few years ago but missed a lot of time over two years. Last year they let him start at Reading for most of the year to just allow him to throw more innings. He has always projected as a late game reliever if his arm fully rebounded and this year he looks all the way back. He definitely has major league stuff and will have a shot this year or next.

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    3. B.J. Rosenberg throws a fastball at 94-95 mph, a hard biting mid 80’s slider 84-86 mph and a changeup which he rarely uses.

      He was considered the Phillies top relief pitching prospect going into 2010 when he was invited to major league spring training. Both Charlie Manual and Ruben Amaro stating he had a “good chance of making the 2010 Phillies out of spring training”. In many ways he was the Justin Defratus of 2010.

      Midway thru spring training in 2010 he began to experience elbow issues ending his chances of making the team. I believe he had several trips to the minor league 7-day disabled list and had a minor league rehab trip to the Gulf Coast League.

      At the end of 2010, he was feeling better so the Phillies sent him to the Arizona Fall League to make up for the time he lost. In mid season 2011 the Phillies moved him to the starting rotation so he could make up for the time he lost time stating that this was not a permanent move.

      The Phillies chose him as a 5-year senior in 2008. He had missed all of 2007 due to shoulder issues. When he came back he was moved to the bullpen to save wear and tear on his arm and he experienced a metamorphosis. His k/ip doubled to about 1.5 which is about 12 for every 9 innings pitched and the amount of hits per inning he allowed was cut in half. His WHIP dropped from about 1.5 to 1. He became a dominant pitcher. These numbers have generally been maintained over the 2008 to 2012 period.

      The following is the Scouting Report from when he was drafted.

      “SCOUTING REPORT: For the second straight year, Louisville has a fifth-year senior righthander, previously undrafted, who took off in a closer role to emerge as a legitimate early-round pick. In 2007, Trystan Magnuson came out of nowhere to become a supplemental first-round selection of the Toronto Blue Jays. Rosenberg, who missed the 2007 season with labrum surgery, is following a similar path. He began the 2008 season in the Cardinals rotation, but got hit hard in the role and didn’t blossom until being installed as a closer. He was lights-out with a fastball in the 93-95 mph range, that even reached 97 as Louisville won the Big East Conference tournament. His 83-84 mph slider was a dominant second pitch, especially when thrown early in the count. His low three-quarters arm angle made him difficult to square up, and he threw consistent strikes with both his offerings while keeping hitters honest with an occasional changeup. His overall 5-4, 4.08 record, along with nine saves and 62 strikeouts in 53 innings, don’t begin to do justice to his dominance over the latter half of the 2008 season.—ALLAN SIMPSON”

      I saw him pitch in a game in 2008 in Williamsport when his stuff was not only un-hittable but it was un-catachable. I wrote a blog piece about the game on the Phuture Phillies site. It was a game that his “stuff” had so much movement that his catcher couldn’t catch it. I was sitting directly behind home plate and at least 5 or 6 balls where the batter swung and missed but the catcher also couldn’t catch the ball because of the movement. He pitched 2 innings and struck out 4 or 5 batters.

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      1. That is great info, thanks a ton for sharing. Sounds like he could be next in line if he keeps throwing this well.

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  2. BA Hot Sheet chat mentions for both Asche and Biddle:

    John (philadelphia): Is Cody Asche (Clearwater) a legitimate prospect? If so, can he stick at 3rd?

    Jim Shonerd: There’s something there. Asche was the Phillies’ fourth-rounder last year out of Nebraska on the strength of his power and mature approach. He hasn’t hit for much power so far in Clearwater (just two homers), though the FSL is a tough place to do it. There are doubts about whether he can stick at third. His arm is enough to get by, but his actions at the position raise questions.

    Joe (Phila. Pa): I was wondering how good do you think the Phillies top pitching prospect Jesse Biddle will be? Do you think he is a future number 1 or 2 starter?

    Jim Shonerd: I’d say a No. 2 is his ceiling, with a No. 3 being a more realistic expectation.

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  3. If you have power you have power. You don’t lose that in a year. So not worried about Asche’s lack of HR. I love his contact rates. Starting to get excited. If he keeps this up for another month, he is legit in my mind.

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    1. Agreed. Would like to see another 100 ABs or so to be convinced, but certainly something to get excited about

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    2. But you can lose power when you switch to wood bats. The way he’s swung since getting drafted makes me think that if he does keep progressing, his ceiling is more likely a bill mueller type. That’s only a knock if the expectations were more, but expectations like that would not be realistic given he was a fourth round pick out of a big time baseball program.

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      1. Agree (if you have power you have power) and agree (you can lose power) … it can also be a case of just adjustment period, which I’m hopeful it is. The power is slowly coming along … last ten games show .415/.419/.707 … 7 XBH our of 17 hits … agree with the 100 more ABs comment … if he continues, think he gets promoted at that point.

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        2. Come on guys, let’s not jump the gun here. For the past two to three weeks, it seems like he’s getting an extra base hit 2 out of every 3 games, with a few games thrown in with multiple extra base hits. The guy was drafted just last year and is at High A ball hitting .350 something. Can we at least wait until the halfway point of his first full season to start complaining about his lack of power?

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          1. His slugging % is top 4 in the FSL, and for those of you who say his avg inflates that, he also has an ISO of .140. The only thing that’s concerning is his lack of walks, but that concern can be tempered by three things: 1) his low SO rate 2) his track record of patience (9.0% walk rate last year) and 3) he doesn’t need to walk as much because he’s hitting everything in sight.

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    1. Yeah Lehigh Valley’s line-up won’t be scaring anybody but their rotation and their bullpen has been great

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  5. Saw Ruf was in left field last night. I hope he gets a lot of time out there and then maybe a call up to Lehigh Valley. We all know he is blocked at 1b. He can hit. If he can play outfield that may give him the opportunity to be a bench guy in the bigs.

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      1. Nope. Wiggy came up playing second and third, and OPSed 800 in AA as a 22-year old. There’s no comparison to Ruf.

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  6. I love the fact that the VSL team only has 1 position player on the roster thats 20. It seems like in years past, we’ve had a few teen prospects and alot of older guys. Now the roles are flipped and we have a bunch of 17 and 18 year olds and just a few older pitchers to fill out the roster.

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    1. The unfortunate aspect of the VSL/DSL is that the percent of succes is low and relatively few ‘graduate’ up the ladder.

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  7. If you think of all our individual prospect rankings, is there any player that has shot up that list more than Asche? Unfortunately, I have more players dropping down than I have players earning their way up.

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    1. After seeing how Worley was able to build off of last year’s success, you have to wonder if Cloyd can have some success at the big league level. I have my reservations, but it’s getting hard to dismiss the results

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      1. Velocity’s a big difference there. Cloyd’s a few (maybe 5) MPH slower than Worley, so his control and command will have to be that much better to get by.

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        1. I don’t think it’s that much of a difference between Cloyd and Worley, more like 2-3 MPH (the Lehigh Valley gun is 2-3 MPH slow), which makes his FB around 89-91, at best, which is still marginal for a right-handed pitcher.

          The guy I’m watching now at Lehigh Valley is Rosenberg. His fastball last night was sitting between 93-96 and perhaps occasionally sitting as high as 95-97 (assuming the gun is 2-3 MPH slow, which, having followed Schwimer and Diekman’s velocity readings in both the majors and minors this year, I believe is roughly correct). Rosenberg also has a good change up and a decent curve. But he was just blowing some well-placed mid 90s fastballs by some people – they had no chance. When he gets promoted, it wouldn’t surprise me if he stuck. The guy has really good stuff.

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          1. It’s funny, I posted this note BEFORE reading the Rosenberg scouting report from 2008. What I saw the other day is almost exactly what is in that report.

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    2. I disagree that there are more players under performing than playing above expectations. Unless you had unrealistic expectations of some of the players. Brody Colvin is the only player that is severely under performing, IMO, and I had lower expectations than most(he’s only pitched well for about a 3 month stretch in 2010). Tyler Greene is down, but he was a level ahead. Valle, Franco and Lino Martinez don’t have great numbers, but they are both very young for their levels.
      On the other hand, Asche, Hewitt, Austin Wright, Morgan and Cesar Hernandez are outperforming their expectations by a lot. Everybody else is about what should be expected.

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      1. Down – Colvin, Valle, Pettibone, Lino, James, Castro, , Rupp, Aumont, Defratus, Brown, Giles, Hudson, Pointer, Franco, Greene,
        Up – Asche, Alonso, Knigge, Ruf, Cesar
        As expected – May, Biddle, Gillies, Wright, Morgan, Garner, Schwimer, Altherr

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          1. Agree with kphilly. Also, Wright and Morgan should be in the Up category, unless you expected them both to be in the top 3 in the league in strikeouts. Maybe consider putting Garner in the down category. And given his last two starts, Pettibone could be left out of the down group.

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          2. I think Bonilla might be a down since he’s been in the pen all year. He’s done ok but he’s not the same prospect there. I’ll give you Wright as an Up, Morgan is more of an expected. Lavin and Hanzawa are probablyy Ups also.

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        2. James, Rupp and especially Pointer are only “down” if you went into the season with unrealistic expectations. They’ve never shown they were better than what the they’ve shown this year. Pettibone is performing at the level his established skills allow him. He isn’t down.
          Again, Valle, Franco, Lino and Greene are significantly young for their levels. I don’t get the disappointment.

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  8. Rosenberg should be up with the big club instead of Savery . He is 26 and deserves a look . We know what Savery can do .

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    1. Agreed (see my comments above), but not because he is 26, but, rather, because he looks for all the world like a pretty darned good major league pitcher.

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    2. i don’t think rosenberg is on the 40-man roster, so someone would have to be bumped to make room for him. but i agree that he deserves a shot with the bullpen the way it is.

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    1. I’m not sure there was reason enough to be excited before, so I don’t know if concern is the right word. I wonder if he’s having mechanical issues or something, but the Kyle Kendrick comparison should probably have tempered his expectations before.

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  11. Could we actually have 4 “prospects” at AAA next year in the starting rotation? May, Hyatt, JRod, and Pettibone?

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          1. I think Jrod’s a 3/4… just my opinion.

            Neither Hyatt or Cloyd are really “prospects.” They could be solid pitchers that fill a role but I don’t really get excited about them. I’d think Hyatt’s got a higher ceiling than Cloyd based on their track records.

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    2. Not much conversation on Rodriguez this year. His ERA is now under 2 this year. Does anyone have any velocity figures for him?

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