2012 Reader Top 30, #17

2012 Reader Top 30

Compact speedster Roman Quinn tops a tightly grouped trio to take number 16. Ten different prospects got write in consideration, with Leandro Castro and Perci Garner both getting multiple votes, so I’ll add both of them. As a reminder on eligibility for the list, to be eligible the player must have fewer than 130 AB or 50 innings pitched. So far we have

01. Trevor May, RHP
02. Jesse Biddle, LHP
03. Sebastian Valle, C
04. Brody Colvin, RHP
05. Freddy Galvis, SS
06. Phillippe Aumont, RHP
07. Jon Pettibone, RHP
08. Justin De Fratus, RHP
09. Maikel Franco, 3B
10. Julio Rodriguez, RHP
11. Tyler Greene, SS
12. Larry Greene Jr, OF
13. Jiwan James, OF
14. Tyson Gillies, OF
15. Lisalberto Bonilla, RHP
16. Roman Quinn, SS/OF

Check below for #17

61 thoughts on “2012 Reader Top 30, #17”

    1. I knew I liked you. I have Wright #11, Tocci #15, and Pointer #17, so I will vote for Wright again. I may have overrated him at #11, but at this point we’re getting into underrated territory on Wright.

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    1. I have Pointer at #21, so seeing him as an option at #17 is no big deal. The problem I have with placing Pointer any higher, is that the team watched him play Extended Spring, then didn’t think enough of him to place him in NYPenn at any point last year. I would think if he was a highly thought of prospect, he would have been moved up to Williamsport.
      Pointer is in the same position as Kelly Dugan was last year, and Dugan had better GCL numbers than Pointer, although in a smaller sample.

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      1. One caveat to this is that WPT had a prospect-laden outfield with Altherr, Hudson, and Dugan all starting. Plus there were Unda, Jimenez, and Amaro who all got at bats. No room for Pointer if they wanted him to play every day.

        The one point I can’t argue is why Lavin got called up at the end of the season instead of Pointer. Anyway, I would look at Pointer’s placement as driven by circumstance, not by potential.

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      2. Agree with Boston Phan in that there are other factors. Crowded outfield, and moving from Florida to Williamsport isn’t as easy as writing a name on a roster.

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      3. Pointer did show in-game power, which at this point in development puts him a step ahead of some of the other young guys. I can’t deny that at this point drawing distinctions between players is splitting hairs. But I do like that in-game power.

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  4. Hernandez has been at the top of my list for a few rounds now, with Wright in second.

    Tocci still intrigues me but I need to see more of him before I move him into my top 20.

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  5. Debated hard between Wright and Hernandez and went for Wright in the end. I like Hernandez, he looks like he has a shot at being a slap-hitting utility guy, but you can never have too many left-handed pitching prospects. I’m excited to see what Wright can do at a higher level. Where does he start? I figure Clearwater, right? He, Biddle, Bonilla and Colvin would make for an interesting rotation there.

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    1. Of course, I just realized my reasoning on Wright could apply just as easily to Savery. I guess my justification is that Wright is still a starter, whereas we know ythat Savery’s best case scenario is a LOOGY. Still, I may start voting for Savery/Schwimer at some point soon, on the grounds that a guy who could help in the bullpen next year, a la Stutes, deserves a place somewhere among the Top 20. Proximity should count for something.

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      1. I think I’m alone on this one, but I think Savery can be more than a LOOGY. As a reliever he faced an equal amount of LH and RH and was effective against both.

        I agree that Wright’s upside is much higher than the Savery/Schwim crowd as well as Cesar (though harder to compare Wright and Cesar).

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  11. Is Harold Garcia off the radar since his injury? I remember him being highly regarded before he got hurt.

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    1. I think he is definitely on the Radar, but he was old for his league and has now missed a year and it may take another year until fully healthy. Hopefully he is fully recovered, and can excel this year

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    1. JC is #20 on my list. He is still age appropriate for AA. Have him higher than Cesar Hernadez actually.

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  14. Wright, with Rupp to follow. I get the feeling I’ll be voting for the Rupper for a long time. I had Lino at 18, which I am beginning to think is a bit high. Pointer Quinn and Cesar are probaby ahead of him. I have Hyatt at 19, (again, high). I wonder, if the big club really doesn’t think he’s got the potential to start in the bigs, why do they keep starting him all year last year? Just as the best disaster option/most-likely-to-fool-big-league-hitters-his-first-two-times-through-a-lineup guy? Maybe. To me, he’s the #7 starter out of camp this year, behind Blanton and KK. May could pass him pretty quickly, I guess. Then a 2012 free agent and maybe Pettibone and Colvin and JRod pass him in 2013, and I guess he’s a swingman for the rest of his life.

    Ok, 19’s probably too high. Rupp Pointer Quinn Cesar Lino Hyatt. Subject to change.

    Thanks for letting me talk this out, guys. Like you had a choice.

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    1. I don’t think the Phillies view Hyatt as the #7 starter. I would guess that both Dave Bush and Joel Pineiro, whether we like it or not, are ahead of Hyatt on the depth chart. Likely a few others at AAA as well.

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      1. Will depend on how they all pitch in ST. Pineiro and Bush were brought in to provide some experienced depth. If neither of them are throwing the ball well, I don’t think they would hesitate to go to a guy like Hyatt. They did the same thing with Worley in 2011.

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        1. At the moment, I would say Greg is probably right on Hyatt not being #7. If they break camp with two of the first 6 on the shelf, I’d guess Hyatt would have to have a K/9 of like 12 and no HR and no walks to pass someone with big league experience. By the end of camp, one of those two vets could easily be gone, released for a chance to catch on elsewhere. And if Hyatt pitches six weeks of AAA with better results, I’d say then he’ll probably pass either Bush or Pineiro.

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  15. I’m beginning to find it somewhat humorous that one of the minor leaguers most likely to appear on the major league roster before the end of the year, at very least in September, cannot buy a vote. I nominate Joe Savery as official prospect 31 – just to save time.

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    1. Savery has 35 innings under his belt that say he may end up being a decent lefty bullpen piece for the 6/7 innings. Yep, 31 seems about right.

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    2. I find it humorous that anyone considers Savery a top prospect at all, Top 30 or otherwise

      Sorry for the disagreement

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      1. Anyone who has a chance to be a contributor at the major league level is a prospect in my book. Not everyone can be a potential superstar–teams need left handed relievers too. In fact, it’s almost impossible to kill a left handed reliever’s career, as evidenced by the fact that the Cardinals gave Zombie JC Romero a $750,000 guaranteed contract this winter. I’m not suggesting he’s Savery should be #17, but the idea of putting him on the list is not a joke, at least to me.

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    4. Didn’t mean to come off like a jerk there. I had written more and then decided it was nonsense and deleted it, and forgot that my original comment was snarky.

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  16. Been voting Austin Wright for the past few picks, although I have no objection to guys like Bonilla or even Cesar getting the nod here (Quinn and Gillies,,, not so much). I have Wright at no.14 on my list and nearly moved him up a few more slots. He’s certainly a Top 20 guy IMO

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  18. Tocci, again… I have to say, this list isn’t even close to mine from the Galvis choice on down… disappointed, this may be my last vote in the top 30 this year since I most of these guys left are non-prospects (Ceasar H. isn’t a prospect, 21 at high A and he hit 268 with way to many strikeouts, and almost no power as evidenced by the .333 slugging %, and he’s being ranked this high), and the further out guys that are prospects aren’t getting enough love. (last years draft picks)

    Overrated:
    05. Freddy Galvis, SS (would have put him at 11)
    06. Phillippe Aumont, RHP (would have put him 9-10 with Jdef)
    14. Tyson Gillies, OF (Would have put him in the mid 20’s, he’s a fringe prospect at this point)

    Underrated:
    09. Maikel Franco, 3B (would have him up at 5)
    UR. Carlos Tocci, OF (he should be picked in the 14-16 range, but I’m betting he’s a mid 20’s prospect on this board.)
    UR. Austin Wright (I had him at 13, he’ll end up at 18 it seems)

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    1. I agree with most of that, but I still consider Hernandez an ok prospect based on what he did the year before and apparently solid scouting reports. I do have him lower than 17th though; probably in the 25-30 range. Tocci is too young and too far away for me to consider him at this point on the list. He’s definitely a guy to watch for but there are other prospects I feel are more deserving right now.

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      1. I agree with your over-rated/under-rated list except for Aumont. I think he is where he should be placed. However, the fan poll is not that far off my list, at this point. Tyson Gillies being rated much too high is my only real beef.

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    2. I think you’re taking this poll a bit too personally. For reference, Damarii Saunderson was ranked 22nd two years ago.

      And frankly, your particular complaints are all over the board, based on my own list. I wholeheartedly disagree with your positions on Galvis and Wright but I totally agree with you on Gillies and Franco. I think the Tocci and Aumont placements are defensible.

      All things being equal, no reason to get worked up.

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      1. How about Harman at #10 in 2008? I think in 2009, we placed him at 27 or 28 just because you can’t go from #10 to playing Twilight league ball in a year. I guess we were wrong.

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        1. Yeah, but Harmon was a consensus pick across professional publications. Saunderson was the work of someone who knew who to circumvent the IP address controls on this polling software.

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  20. Voted for Wright here – got to see plenty of him last summer, and I was really impressed. Throws hard, throws strikes, built like a bull, very competitive. Could see him having a nice season here in Clearwater in 2012!

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    1. I see that, after about a year hiatus, the thumbs are back, which I find annoying, but whatever – that’s not my call. Anyway, I vote for Austin Wright. Thumb that!!!!

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      1. I wonder why Horst was not taken in the Rule 5 draft, unless he passed through waviers after the draft. Seems like someone like him would have been picked up by someone like for instance the Phillies.

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  22. I think Tyler Cloyd deserves a look before this list comes to an end. Assuming everyone on the ballot gets picked, there will be only 2 more names available. He should be one in my opinion.

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  23. I think it would be fun to to create a list of guys who could change their fortunes quickly and end the year in the top ten. For me, that list would look something like this (admittedly, some are already close to being in the top ten):

    Austin Wright
    Caesar Hernandez
    Brian Pointer
    Tyler Greene
    Larry Greene
    Lisalberto Bonilla
    Aaron Altherr
    Tyson Gillies
    Mitch Walding
    Gautlett Eldemire
    Perci Garner
    Carlos Tocci
    Adam Morgan
    Ervis (?) Manzanillo
    Jiwan James (unlikely in my view, but possible)
    Mike Nesseth
    Roman Quinn
    Cody Asche
    Zach Collier
    Kyrelle Hudson

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    2. I know a lot of people are on the Tocci bandwagon but I’m assuming he might not even play in the states till 2013. I think Manzanillo stays at Lakewood. I think Ashe may end up as a career minor league type like an Overbeck or Rizzoti type player. Not sure about Nesseth or Garner. The rest of the list I like.

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    3. There is not much about Cody Asche that would lead me to believe he could perform well enough to crack the top 10. As a college player likely to be playing no higher than Lakewood, performing well enough to crack the top 30 would be an accomplishment.

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  24. Don’t you think it’s too early to give up on Asche? Take note: there was talk about POSSIBLY moving him to catcher. Let’s see if his poor start–along with Martinez’–will be overcome in ’12…or even ’13.

    Not now, but Rupp soon. He’s apparently a good catcher defensively with some talent at calling a game. His offense has lagged but showed lots of improvement in the last half of ’11.

    We should remember the worth of somebody good in that position, perhaps the most important position on the field or at least a tie with the shortstop position.

    IMO, the position a guy plays factors into evaluation. Thus, left field may be the least important position on the field. Rating a guy who only plays left field–a la Brown–does affect his value to the team, so he MUST give forth plenty of offense to make up for those field shortcomings and verify his worth to the team.

    Thus, to me, seeing Rupp as a good backup catcher and possibly a serious contender for a starter’s role if his offense improves with a little more power justifies not leaving him far behind.

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  26. Nice to finally be able to stop voting for Roman Quinn – which I’ve been doing since #10. Guess I’ll be voting for Mitchell Walding for awhile now. It’s heartening to see so much seemingly good young position player talent (Tocci, Altherr, Pointer) that we haven’t even gotten to yet, not to mention arms like Wright and Garner.

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