470 thoughts on “Draft Day Three”

  2. Isn’t he are west coast scout? He has a good track record scouting better than that of a player

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  3. With the new system, today would seem to be a nothing day for drafting organizational filler and the relatives of management. A team planning to shift some $ out of the first round to get a good guy or two, likely took that guy in rounds 11-15. I would be amazed if any team, other than one like Houston who may have accumulated a lot of spare $ from its first pick, will draft (and sign) anyone today who is on a par with Brown, Cosart, Colvin, Pointer, etc. That era seems past.

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    1. I think the early rounds today will be a time to search for guys like Rizzotti, Susdorf, Ruf, Rosenberg, and Cloyd.

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      1. Agree that today is mainly about college roster filler. I do think there will be maybe 3-5 flier picks towards the end and a couple HS players without college commitments (think Johnathan Knight from last year). The type of flier we pick towards the end will be different. They will be guys we think we might be able to sign for $200K. Guys like Shull and Pointer who are prospects but not top prospects.

        It will be interesting to see the Phillies’ approach here. I think I would prefer a system where everyone got a flat sum to sign all their picks, but we need to live with the system we have.

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  5. I am not a fan of the new format so far. I agree with Allentown, it makes Day 3 of the draft almost irrelevant. I doubt many quality HS picks will sign for $100K. Day 3 was always a longshot day for darkhorse picks…but it seems that is now true more than ever.

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    1. Yeap, college seniors filler. and teams drafting high school guys to build connections for when they are Juniors in college.

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    2. I agree that the end of the draft is more or less ruined by the new format. As a whole though this format seems like it has moved in the correct direction.

      All the round 1-10 picks are being drafted with the intention and expectation of actually signing the player. This is way better than the old “lets draft 4 tough signs, leverage them against each other and be happy if we get 2 of them” approach.

      The new signing date is just all around better for everybody and can get these kids into leagues immediately.

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      1. I wouldn’t be so sure about it only being senior filler. Most teams went on a run from rounds 6-10 with below slot senior signers. Look at the 10th round, only 3 prep players selected while the rest were from the college ranks. Next round, the 11th, 12 prep players were picked (including 1-2 round talent Hunter Virant). Since the new rules force the losing of bonus pool money if a pick in the first 10 rounds isn’t signed, most teams took higher priced high school talent in the first 5 rounds, then took easily signable talent in the next 5. After that you can take a chance on signing a risky guy with out the fear of losing any money.

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        1. No you cannot. They picks after round 10 are capped at 100k. If you’re under slot for rounds 1-10 you cannot carry over those savings to later rounds.

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          1. Actually, you can. Any amount after round 10 that goes over 100k goes to your overall bonus pool. So, if the Phillies number is $4.9 million and they sign their first 12 picks (10 rounds) at $4.7 million, they can go $200K over in rounds 11-40.

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            2. correct…$200K over total. So, they could sign 1 player at $300K, or 1 @ $250 and 1 @150, etc. They could also sign all 30 at $100K if they felt the need.

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    3. Based on the Phillies 4.9m bonus pool, (and the way I understand it) I believe the Phillies could offer one more High Schooler 245K without losing any draft picks next year. They would have to pay a 75% tax on the 245K, though.

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      1. They might need that money to sign their top pick however. He has a pretty good college commitment and there were signs that he was a tough sign.

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        2. Well, I was assuming he would sign for slot, based on his interview after he was picked. He said ‘… would you sign for 1.2m or go study?’ Since his slot is for 1.25m, it seems likely he would sign. I am more worried about signing 2nd rounder, Rash. His slot is 500K, so they will probably have to skim some money from Cozens, Serritella and the two seniors, to get Rash signed.

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          1. Watson’s slot is $1,291,300. Maybe he needs to study his rounding. ha ha, just kidding Shane. I really want you to sign and look forward to you joining the organization (in case you are reading)

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  6. Let’s see. Just last draft. 17th round- really a HS pick- Jesen Dygestile -Therrien signed for $100,000. People raved about the “steal” . 49th round Jon Knight- HS pick- signed for $100,000. 27 th round- Broden Shull, LHP, signed for $187,000, but maybe some of these types of player will adjust to the new paradigm and lower their expectations. Hailed as a “steal” on here. If not team could go over by a small amount without penalty. And there is nothing to say every team could not go massively over were they so inclined. Some may, though it doesn’t seem Philly will be in that group. (Bonus amounts derived from chart topside)
    The lack of remaining HS prospects for this draft would only hold true if there was an indication that more HS players were selected so far. I see nothing that says they have been.
    And though some may believe every HS player would benefit by waiting and will be drafted higher after College only a small percentage actually will be. Most HS prospects can not command a higher than $100,000 bonus and some will even realize this. And if MLB talent exists the extra time to get there will not justify a small difference in signing bonus. And guys trying to get rich off of a signing bonus , forget them. And, in fact, many of these self-inflating prospects will wash out in College and never be heard from again. And a portion may be drafted again, but be regarded as having less potential at that point.

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    1. What, are you Bud Selig or something? This whole process was designed in MLB’s eyes to funnel the top talent to the worst teams…So far that has not happened. Case in point Mark Appel. So now PIT can try to offer him a bonus at pick 8 when he was looking for 1 or 2 money. If Pit goes over their bonus pool to sign him (nevermind their other picks), they could lose their first round pick next year. In what way does this slotting system help a team like Pittsburgh. Easy for you to say to a draftee, tough luck, the money is what it is, but having Boras as your adviser ensures that he won’t (and shouldn’t) sign for anything less than top talent $$

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      1. Olney says that teams said Appel was taken about where they had him rated. If guys want to make crazy demands and not compromise then they can spend 3 years in a College for supposedly no compensation. There might be a few hard cases to start off but by the time the CBA comes up for renewal, they will have adjusted to the new reality. They ought to bring the price of unproven prospects more into line with their immediate return to their payers. Players have demanded the moon before because they could.

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        1. I don’t believe that’s the case at all. This whole CBA nonsense was put in place to curb draft spending. I have no issue with guys trying to get as much as they can possibly get.

          The teams that get hurt are the ones who spend on the draft to get premium talent because they can’t afford it in the FA market. This is not a good system and we are already seeing it become exposed with rounds 4-10 being heavy college senior. This new system is going to fail.

          Slots are dumb

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          1. Nothing wrong with curbing draft spending. The other “Major ” Sports have done it for some time. The payout should be curbed because the prospects give no immediate return to the team paying the freight and many never do. I have seen nothing that indicates the mixture of HS to College draftees has changed from previous years. Teams always took College Seniors many higher than they were taken this year. The Philly team has taken signable College types early in the draft i.e. Matt Rizzotti, Tyler Mach, etc. This will work out as the system settles in , and some rules will put things more into perspective and cut through the BS. By the time the CBA comes up for a fast renewal, the system will have thoroughly adjusted. New Paradigm at hand.

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  7. In one respect, I don’t mind this new format. It kinda forces teams to go out and sign the guys that SHOULD be signed. What I like about Day 3 is that you might find some potential diamonds in the rough out of college. You’ll know soon enough if they can play or not. Just because a guy doesn’t have flashy tools, doesn’t mean he can’t work his way up.

    What I don’t like about this new format is that baseball might lose guys to other sports. Dom Brown was committed to play wide receiver for Miami before we lured him away. Granted, the jury is still out on Brown, but if he becomes pretty solid at the Major league level, we would’ve never known about him under this new format.

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  8. Phillies only went over $100k for a round 11+ pick twice last year: Tyler Greene in round 11 ($375k) and Braden Shull in round 27 ($137k.) I’m not sure the new system changes things THAT much. Obviously there will be no Brody Colvins or Kevin Walters but I’m sure they’ll just pick more players with upside whose stocks are down for one reason or another.

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    1. #188 out of BA’s top 500, projectable RHP looks like he can run it up to low to mid 90’s, commitment to Long Beach State

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  11. Round 18 Phillies select Tony Blanford RHP out of Boulder Creek HS, AZ 6’3 175 lbs DOB 08/23/93

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    2. Tony Blanford (Phoenix, AZ) is rated No. 63 in the country by ESPN. The right-handed pitcher from Boulder Creek High School boasts a low-90’s fastball and has very good size (6’3) for a pitcher. ESPN ranks Blanford as the second best player in the state of Arizona, and the No. 21 pitcher in the country.

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      1. The ace of the National Division champions Boulder Creek threw twice at Coach Bob, coming up just short in the National Game of the Week against Broken Arrow (AZ) and shutting out Chaparral (CO). He lives in the upper 80s with his fastball, reaching back for low 90s velocity on occasion when he needs to. His curveball features plus spin, and when he’s on top of the pitch, it is a very tough offering to get a piece of, let alone square up. His body is thin, athletic and projectable and his arm action is loose and whippy. There is a lot to like about Blanford’s future potential.

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  13. Going a little more HS than anticipated. Maybe they DO have cap room with a bunch of deals already completed.

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  14. I guess you can never have enough pitchers but where will the offense come from ? both the big club and the minors are void of any position players that hit.

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    1. Well last year’s draft was mostly hitting – hopefully some of those guys start developing.

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    3. Several from last year’s draft plus Tocci should be at CLW. That’s half the starting 8.

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    4. The took all offense last year. Assuming they sign all of the players in the 1st 10 rounds this year, they really don’t have many places for new bats.

      NYP: C- Numata, 1B Cameron Perkins, 2B Gonzalez, SS T Greene, 3B Walding, LF LGreene jr, CF Jiandido Tromp, RF Brock Stassi

      GCL: C Josh Ludy, 1B Cris Serritella, 2B Andy Pullin, SS R Quinn, 3B Zach Green, LF Dylan Cozens, CF C Tocci, RF Yon Olmo/H Rodriguez

      Outside of catcher, they have position players to work with.

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  15. Round 19 Phillies select Tim Carver SS out of University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 6’0 185 lbs DOB 05/25/89

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  16. It is actually good to take some high school guys here. Unlike earlier they only get penalized for going over 100k as opposed to it all counting, also they do not lose money for unsigned picks. I think they have some money saved up to at least go 250k on 2-3 guys.

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  17. Round 20 Phillies select Matthew Sisto RHP out of University of Hawaii, HI (Senior) 6’5 230 lbs DOB 11/05/89

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  19. The allocated draft pool covers all picks in the first 10 rounds, and then any amount spent over $100K (per pick) for players taken in rounds 11-40.

    If the Phillies have $4.9M to spend, and they sign all their picks in the first 10 rounds for $4.5M, they can take the extra $400K and spend it on guys taken in rounds 11-40 that sign for over $100K. Example, they decide to sign their 17th round pick, they can offer him $500K ($100K max + $400K in savings from guys signed in rounds 1-10)

    The rub is that the Phillies can’t choose to not sign someone taken in the first 10 rounds and then use that money on guys taken after the 10th round. If you don’t sign someone in the first 10 rounds, their allocated bonus amount is subtracted from your total allowable budget.

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    2. on you point, what if they sign someone in round 11-40 for less than $100k. does any of that money go into the pool? or not?

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    3. Any desire/plans to provide your usual in-depth look at many of the Phillies picks? As you have mentioned in the past, this is your favorite part of the baseball season. Just hoping you’ll stay on as a “draft specialist” constributor (aka Phuturephillies own Mel Kiper).

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  20. Round 22 Phillies select Jeb Stefan RHP out of Louisiana Tech, LA (Senior) 6’4 225 lbs DOB 04/21/90

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  21. Round 23 Phillies select Geoff Broussard RHP out of Cal Poly Pomona, CA (Senior) 6’0 185 lbs DOB 09/21/90

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  22. Round 24 Phillies select Chad Carman C (R/R) out of Oklahoma City University, OK (5 Year Senior) 5’10 189 lbs DOB 05/09/89

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      2. Don Carman’s kid would surely be a tough sign, since I think Carman works for Scott Boras now

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  23. Round 25 Phillies select Brennan Henry LHP out of Northeastern JC, CO (J2) 6’4 200 lbs DOB 10/23/91

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  25. Round 26 Phillies select Evan Van Hoosier 2B (R/R) out of Green Valley HS, NV 5’11 185 lbs DOB 12/24/93

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    2. What are we saying? That he wouldn’t be a tough sign for the Dodgers, or the D-backs? I don’t see why he would be so tough. His commitment is to UNLV.

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      1. “Evan Van Hoosier ‏@Hoosie7
        @Slummdog thanks man. Ill be at school next year tho!”

        “slumdogg ‏@Slummdog
        @Hoosie7 you’re not gonna go play?

        16m Evan Van Hoosier ‏@Hoosie7
        @Slummdog nah I’ll be at csn for a year”

        “Evan Van Hoosier ‏@Hoosie7
        @Slummdog thanks bud. Tryna get that third round money like you”

        Good luck with that, Phillies.

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  28. Round 27 Phillies select Fernando Fernandez-Beltran LHP out of Edouard Montpetit HS, Canada 6’1 170 lbs DOB 10/12/94

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    1. I knew we would hit our Canadian pitching quota at some point. We have gotten good value out of this from Mathieson alone. Low cost cold weather arms are a specialty of ours.

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    2. Now this would truly be a bit of an ironic oddity, if we end taking someone named Jean-Paul Lemieux from Puerto Rico!

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  29. For what it’s worth, there was an extended ST game at the field today:

    Defensively around the infield, it went Walding 3B, Quinn SS, T. Greene 2B, Stassi 1B
    Outfield was L. Greene in left, Tromp in CF, and the RF was one of the Venezuelan or Dominican guys I didn’t catch the name of.

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    1. Was it the big guy Yon Olmo? Some phillies bloggers have been mentioning him as similar build to Domingo Santana.

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    2. I wonder how meaningful it is that Tyler Greene is playing 2B, while Roman Quinn is still at SS.

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      1. Probably not too meaningful in extended. Though just one other piece of evidence that the Phillies will give Quinn every chance to stay at SS which is a good thing.

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  30. Round 28 Phillies select Joseph Mantiply LHP out of Virginia Tech, VA (Junior) 6’4 200 lbs DOB 03/01/91

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  31. Round 29 Phillies select Bradley Wieck LHP out of Frank Phillips College, TX (J1) 6’9 255 lbs DOB 10/14/91

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  33. Round 30 Phillies select Jordan Kipper RHP out of Central Arizona College, AZ (J1) 6’4 185 lbs DOB 10/06/92

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  34. what happened to the phillies taking Trey Williams and isn’t he still available even though it would be impossible to sign him with only 100k

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  35. Round 31 Phillies select Chris Nichols RHP out of University of Sioux Falls, SD (Junior) 6’2 180 lbs DOB 08/21/90

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  36. Keith Law’s Phillies draft assessment:

    Summary: The Phillies went after — wait for it — upside. Shane Watson (1) has one of the better curveballs in the class and sits in the low 90s, although there’s some stiffness to him that reminded me a little of Joe Blanton. Mitch Gueller (1) was a two-way player in high school, a good athlete who would sit 91-93 and has a chance for three average or better pitches. Dylan Cozens (2) is quite a story, a football/baseball guy who changed high schools and ended up at the center of an eligibility lawsuit, an athletic left-handed hitter who probably wouldn’t have made my own top 200. Alec Rash (3) is up to 95 with a good body and delivery, and a very fresh arm as an Iowa kid without many innings behind him. Zach Green (4) isn’t a shortstop long term, but if you buy the bat, you might see a third baseman with some pop. Kevin Brady (10) would have gone higher had he not missed May with a hamstring strain; before that he was 90-94 with some downhill plane and a big, durable body.

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    2. Law on Cozens….not making his top 200..I wonder is it the character issue and the circumstances around his leaving the HS or based on talent and projectability.

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        1. Cozens was at Citizen’s Bank last week and was clocking the ball…granted batting practice pitching, but impressed the brass enough.

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          1. From 2008: “Hewitt was at Citizen’s Bank last week and was clocking the ball…granted batting practice pitching, but impressed the brass enough.”

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            1. But Hewitt was a first round pick, and Cozens is likely an underslot 2nd round pick, additionally Hewitt was considered a top talent skills wise he didn’t know how to play baseball, and he still doesn’t. If any of these huge power toolsy guys learns how to hit they are absolute monsters, we will see with Cozens and with Greene.

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    3. Btw, the 3 pitchers he mentions are in his top 100 draft prospects:

      39. Gueller
      50. Watson
      54. Rash

      We definitely got some value from our first 2 rounds.

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      1. Doesn’t Keith Law have Gueller ranked #39, based on being a hitter? I thought he had him lower, as a pitcher.

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        1. Whhhhaattt? Blanton is a serviceable 3 good 4 on most teams, if we get that out of any of our draft picks it was a good pick-up.

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          2. Correction, Blanton WAS a serviceable 3 good 4. Since the end of the 2007 season, he’s been worth about 0.8 bWAR in total (including his hitting) and has had a season of positive bWAR exactly once. Since he signed his current contract, he’s yet to have an ERA under 5, when he’s managed to stay healthy, that is.

            This isn’t really the forum for this, so I’ll leave it at that, but I think the idea of Blanton as a 3rd starter-level pitcher needs correcting. Feel free to rebut me on the open thread.

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            1. Even a replacement level starter is a success for that spot, frankly. 80% of the time, a pitcher this deep in the draft is a bust.

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          3. No team is Joe Blanton a #3 starter. He hasn’t been very good since he left the coliseum. He had the 2nd half of 2009 and that’s it.

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  37. Round 32 Phillies select Scott Firth RHP out of Clemson, SC (Junior) 6’0 170 lbs DOB 01/02/91

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  38. Round 33 Phillies select Kyle Cody RHP out of McDonell Central Catholic HS, WI 6’6 215 lbs DOB 08/09/94

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    1. The streak of Kyles and Codys continues – this time, they killed the Kyle/Cody bird with one stone!

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  39. Round 34 Phillies select Darrell Miller Jr. C (R/R) out of Servite HS, CA 6’2 205 lbs 09/29/93

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  40. Round 35 Phillies select Steven Wilson RHP out of Dakota Ridge HS, CO 6’3 190 lbs DOB 08/24/94

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  41. Round 36 Phillies select Charles Galiano C (R/R) out of Commack HS, NY 6’0 180 lbs DOB 05/23/94

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  42. Round 37 Phillies select Daniel Starwalt RHP out of Granite Hills HS, CA 6’3 195 lbs DOB 02/07/94

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  43. Basically all pitchers, with a few catchers sprinkled throughout. Couple infielders and 1 OF in the entire draft so far

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  45. Last year’s Draft was 27-24 in Fielders vs pitchers.. will be interested to see where this winds up. Feels like it is very much tilted to the pitchers.

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  46. Round 38 Phillies select Geordy Smith 1B (R/R) out of Highlands Ranch HS, CO 6’2 200 lbs DOB 08/07/94

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  47. Round 39 Phillies select Austin Norris RHP out of Trenton HS, MO 6’5 175 lbs DOB 04/11/94

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  49. And Mr. Irrelevant of the 2012 MLB Draft goes to the Phillies…Round 40 Pick number 1,238 The Phillies select Eric Hanhold RHP out of East Lake HS, FL 6’4 190 lbs DOB 11/01/93

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  50. 22 RHP, 12 HS
    5 LHP, 1 HS 2 JC
    4 OF 1 of which is CF, 3 HS
    4 C 1 HS
    3 1B 1 HS
    2 3B 1 HS
    1 SS
    1 2B HS

    Thats 20 HS 2 JC and there is 1 CC RHP

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  51. The tally of everyone the Phillies drafted this year:

    RD PICK 1st Name Last Name SCHOOL POS B T CLASS HT WT DOB AGE
    1-s 40 Shane Watson Lakewood HS, CA RHP R R HS 6′ 4″ 200 8/13/93 18.8
    1-s 54 Mitch Gueller W F West HS, WA RHP R R HS 6′ 3″ 205 11/10/93 18.6
    2 77 Dylan Cozens Chaparral HS, AZ OF L L HS 6′ 6″ 235 5/31/94 18.0
    2 95 Alec Rash Adel Desoto Minburn HS, IA RHP R R HS 6′ 5″ 185 3/20/94 18.2
    3 125 Zachary Green Jesuit HS, CA SS R R HS 6′ 3″ 185 3/7/94 18.3
    4 158 Christopher Serritella Southern Illinois U. Carbondale, IL 1B L R SR 6′ 3″ 205 2/21/90 22.3
    5 188 Andrew Pullin Centralia HS, WA OF L R HS 6′ 0″ 185 9/25/93 18.7
    6 218 Cameron Perkins Purdue, IN 3B R R JR 6′ 5″ 205 9/27/90 21.7
    7 248 Hoby Milner Texas, TX LHP L L JR 6′ 3″ 165 1/13/91 21.4
    8 278 Josh Ludy Baylor U, TX C R R SR 5′ 10″ 220 4/18/90 22.2
    9 308 Jordan Guth U. of Wisconsin – Milwaukee, WI RHP R R JR 6′ 5″ 200 4/7/91 21.2
    10 338 Kevin Brady Clemson, SC RHP L R SR 6′ 3″ 220 9/7/90 21.8
    11 368 William Carmona SUNY Stony Brook, NY 3B S R JR 6′ 0″ 230 3/9/91 21.3
    12 398 Zachary Taylor Armstrong Atlantic St U, GA OF L R JR 6′ 3″ 215 5/3/91 21.1
    13 428 Steven Golden St. Francis HS, CA CF R R HS 6′ 3″ 180 9/12/94 17.7
    14 458 Richard Bielski Servite HS, CA RHP R R HS 6′ 3″ 190 10/25/94 17.6
    15 488 Zach Cooper Central Michigan, MI RHP R R SR 5′ 10″ 185 1/6/90 22.4
    16 518 Nicholas Hanson Golden West College, CA RHP R R J2 6′ 7″ 210 4/15/92 20.2
    17 548 David Hill El Modena HS, CA RHP R R HS 6′ 2″ 180 5/27/94 18.0
    18 578 Tony Blanford Boulder Creek HS, AZ RHP R R HS 6′ 3″ 175 8/23/93 18.8
    19 608 Tim Carver U Arkansas Fayetteville, AR SS R R 5S 6′ 0″ 185 5/25/89 23.1
    20 638 Matthew Sisto Hawaii, HI RHP R R SR 6′ 5″ 230 1/5/89 23.4
    21 668 Andrew Anderson Galena HS, NV RHP R R HS 6′ 3″ 185 3/22/94 18.2
    22 698 Jeb Stefan Louisiana Tech, LA RHP R R SR 6′ 4″ 225 4/21/90 22.1
    23 728 Geoff Broussard Cal Poly Pomona, CA RHP R R SR 6′ 0″ 185 9/21/90 21.7
    24 758 Chad Carman Oklahoma City U, OK C R R 5S 5′ 10″ 189 5/9/89 23.1
    25 788 Brennan Henry Northeastern JC, CO LHP L L J2 6′ 4″ 200 10/23/91 20.6
    26 818 Evan Van Hoosier Green Valley HS, NV 2B R R HS 5’11” 185 12/24/93 18.5
    27 848 Fernando Fernandez-Beltran Edouard Montpetit HS, Canada LHP L L HS 6′ 1″ 170 10/12/94 17.7
    28 878 0 Joseph Mantiply Virginia Tech, VA LHP R L JR 6′ 4″ 200 3/1/91 21.3
    29 908 Brad Wieck Frank Phillips Col, TX LHP L L J1 6′ 9″ 255 10/14/91 20.7
    30 938 0 Jordan Kipper Central Arizona College, AZ RHP R R J1 6′ 4″ 185 10/6/92 19.7
    31 968 Chris Nichols U Sioux Falls, SD RHP R R JR 6′ 2″ 180 8/21/90 21.8
    32 998 Scott Firth Clemson U., SC RHP R R JR 6′ 0″ 170 1/2/91 21.4
    33 1028 Kyle Cody McDonell Central Catholic HS, WI RHP R R HS 6′ 6″ 215 8/9/94 17.8
    34 1058 Darrell Miller Servite HS, CA C R R HS 6′ 2″ 205 9/29/93 18.7
    35 1088 Steven Wilson Dakota Ridge HS, CO RHP R R HS 6′ 3″ 190 8/24/94 17.8
    36 1118 Charles Galiano Commack HS, NY C R R HS 6′ 0″ 180 5/23/94 18.1
    37 1148 Daniel Starwalt Granite Hills HS, CA RHP R R HS 6′ 3″ 195 2/7/94 18.3
    38 1178 0 Geordy Smith Highlands Ranch HS, CO 1B R R HS 6′ 2″ 200 8/7/94 17.8
    39 1208 0 Austin Norris Trenton HS, MO RHP R R HS 6′ 5″ 175 4/11/94 18.2
    40 1238 Eric Hanhold East Lake HS, FL RHP R R HS 6’4″ 190lbs 11/1/93 18.6

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  52. been going over the drafts. from 2000 to 2008 at least two of the phillies picks have made the majors, some years as many as 5 but for different teams, i think that is pretty good

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  53. All together, the Phils selected:
    22 RHP’s
    3 LHP’s
    4 C’s
    4 OF’s
    2 3B’s
    2 1B’s
    2 SS’s
    1 2B
    Last year it was obvious they went after infielders, this year goes to the pitchers.

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  54. I wonder if it was on purpose. or just the way it fell that they went so heavy on righthanded pitching

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  56. Sorry, no long writeup from me. I love what the Phillies did in this draft. And if they can figure out a way to trim enough money in the first 10 rounds, they should offer Daniel Starwalt as close to 7 figures as they can. Love everything about him.

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      1. speaking of the profiles is gregg going to continue to add and update the profiles

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  57. Since the system has only 0NE (1) exciting pitching prospect that is seemingly fulfilling expectations of his #1 draft choice status to become a star, the emphasis on pitching is not surprising. (Other pitchers in the system haven’t come close to Biddle’s rising star) Even May has dropped the ball recently. There’s still time this season for others to come forward, but adding so many pitching prospects could lead to another couple or more.

    My own wish was to have them go after catchers because that position is far from adequate right now. They did draft several but not in the high rounds except for one college catcher.

    The “signing season” is now upon us with a better chance of watching draftees participating in pro games in ’12. And with the new rules, how many can they sign of the better ones?

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    1. Agreed – the best part of the new draft is the earlier dead-line meaning that we’ll actually get to see all of the signee’s in action!

      I’m really coming around on this draft. If they really do have predraft deals in place that allow them to kick some of that first ten round slot money into the back half of the draft there are some interesting names that if they could lock up would make this a plus draft.

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    2. Let’s not get down on May. He’s doing exactly what I expected. He started fast. Hitter’s have adjusted and I’ll bet he’s in a little dead arm phase. Start mixing in the secondary pitches and the fastball will look like 95. I think he’ll straighten out by July. Of course, hitters will adjust again and then we’ll see what’s happening.

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  59. I agree on Daniel Starwalt PP. Everywhere I look he is a top 100 prospect. He has a youtube video and his breaking ball is filthy. Only problem is that he is commited to Stanford and has been injured. Who knows if we dont sign him this kid could end up being a 1st round pick. I really like this kid. I found a scouting report on him.
    Starwalt is a 6’3″, 210 prep pitcher with big time stuff. However, there are two disclaimers that dropped him to this point in the draft: 1) he’s a Stanford commit and because of its academic standing as well as its baseball prowess, it is awfully hard to sign players away from Stanford and 2) he’s had injury problems in the past, specifically with his back. Starwalt has grown 3 inches and gained 35 pounds in the past year, and his fastball is now consistently in the mid-90′s when healthy with nice run away from right-handed batters. His second pitch is a 78-80 MPH curveball that he throws from the arm slot of his fastball and looks like it out of his hand before showing late 11-to-5 spike break. Starwalt has also shown a solid feel for a changeup, although his top two pitches have been more than enough for him as a prep pitcher. Starwalt may be a tough sign, but he has a ton of upside.

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    1. I don’t think there is any way the team can sign Starwalt. How will it be possible to skim 1 million from a pool of 4.9m? Unless they get each player they drafted in rounds 3-10 to sign for an average of 100k, it’s not possible. They will save on the two seniors (maybe 200k). They may save 100k on Serritella. I’m not sure I see where the rest of the savings would be deducted.

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      1. I suspect the Phils think they can Cozens for well under slot. That’s the whole basis of taking him in round 2, since he is clearly a reach at that spot. If so, that might free up another few hundred thousand $. Put it all together and maybe the Phils can offer a HS kid like Starwalt or Van Hoosier $600k or $700k. While there’s no way you get both, maybe the Phils can offer enough cash to get lucky on one. That’s the idea anyway.

        That said, I agree that skimming enough ($900k) from the $4.9M bonus pool to offer $1M to Starwalt (or anyone else) probably just isn’t feasible.

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      2. Most likely the SR’s will sign for 4 digits and Serritella already said that is what hes signing for. That is a total of $498,000 saved and im just assuming there were a few pre draft deals to save a few thousand here and there!

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        1. Serritella says he signed for 4 digits? Didn’t read that anywhere, but if that is the case, that is an extra 100k saved.
          Many are counting Cozens as additional savings towards picks 11-40, but I think they may have to shift most/all of that towards Alec Rash. We’ll see.

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          1. That’s a distinct possibility (ithat Rash may not sign for slot). For that matter, who knows about Watson?

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      1. Daniel Starwalt RHP, 6’3”, 200 Granite Hills HS, Stanford commit: Incredibly young for his class, and probably very difficult to sign away from Stanford, but an interesting guy none the less. Sits in the low 90s with room for some more. An intriguing follow.

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    1. The game this year was taking the college seniors and having them sign for way under slot in the top 10 and just assuring you get your entire draft allotment. You then take a chance on a kid in round 11+ because those failures to sign dont hit your draft allotment. When you go over the 100k offer it goes into the original allotment, which hopefully there may be 500k left. So maybe we can offer 600k to one of these kids from 11+ round fliers.

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      1. We will see if they save anything at all from the other HS picks and even the 3 Juniors taken in the top 10 they could have had pre-draft deals. I hope they save around 800K-1Mil in the top 10 and put it into the later rounds. I dont think they will go to much over the 4.9mil! Remember since 2006 they failed to sign a top 10 pick just 5 times!

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          1. Yes i typed 5 but went back and counted 7 just cant correct your comments on here so I left it! Still 7 picks in the top 10 in the past 6 drafts is pretty good!

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            1. Not really disagreeing with your point per se, but I think they have to be looked at on a case by case basis.

              For example, in 2008 the failure to sign Johnny Coy was not really the Phillies fault. It was his camp that kept changing their demands. And the Phillies went and used his money on Jared Cosart. So they didn’t let it go to waste. Outstanding recovery by the Phillies there.

              But they kind of lowballed Brandon Workman in 2007 and lost him (a 3rd round pick) for a difference of $75K. And in 2010 they completely misjudged the signing market for Scott Frazier and Brenton Allen.

              I don’t really criticize them as harshly in 2011. But 6th rounder Zach Wright failed his medical which is a mistake by the Phillies scouting / research. Jake Overbey in Round 10 was really MI insurance in case other guys didn’t sign. After signing Mitchell Walding and Tyler Greene, they didn’t really need to cave to Overbey’s demands. So I didn’t have a problem with them not signing Overbey.

              So out of the 7 misses, I think they take the blame for 3 or 4 of them (Workman, Frazier, Allen, Wright). Because they were either too frugal to get the deals done or were guilty of bad pre-draft intelligence.

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  61. Keith Law puts Gueller as our system’s third best prospect behind May and Biddle. Says he’s looking forward to seeing what Larry Greene can do.

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    1. I asked in the comments about Watson and he but him right behind Gueller, but there is still a giant drop off behind them (at least until last year’s draft class shows something good)

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  62. Considering where the Phillies drafted, and the size of their bonus pool, I think the Phillies did a very good job in the draft. According to Baseball America’s pre-draft rankings, the Phillies selected the 7th(Watson) the 20th(Rash) and the 25th(Gueller) best HS Pitchers in the draft. All of these guys are rated higher than Biddle was in his class. That is a big infusion of pitching talent in one draft.

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  64. Man, Kyle Cody struck out 19 of the 21 out he recorded in one game. That’s insane. “Virtually unsignable” is how BA described him though.

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    1. I sent an email to Gregg asking for a Draft Tracker page so we can post who signs and how much then to BOLD out the players as they ink their name!

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      1. Wish we had this.. would love to have a similar post/chart to what was on here last year. Would almost volunteer to help with it, if I could be sure I had the time.

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  68. Intresting that Law puts Mitch Gueller as our third best prospect, is he that good of a prospect or is our system that weak?

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  69. I have a question if Daniel Starwalt is so good why didn’t the phillies draft him higher.

    And Jorge Soler is officially a free agent.

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    1. Because swaying a kid from going to Stanford is difficult and costs a lot of money. If he’s drafted later and doesn’t sign, doesn’t hurt the Phillies at all.

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    2. They didn’t him high because he has a scholarship to Stanford. It will take a gazillion dollars to get someone to turn down a Stanford scholarship.

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  70. Probably because they do not know what his exact price is. Rounds 1-10 have to be signed or they lose $ from the pool and may face penalties for going over slot. They do what they do every year in the later rounds pick up kids and try and steal them away from College, but now its not about just how much he wants its how much $ is available from the allocated amount, MINUS $100K….

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    1. That article indicates that Cody wants 2nd or 3rd round money. Slot bonus for bottom of 2nd round is $500k, a nice round number. Doubtful the Phils will be able to offer that much, but perhaps not completely out of the question, depending on what happens with other signings.

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      1. Hey guys…my guess is that I think we should expect the Top 12 picks to sign relatively quickly. Honestly, the new paradigm is that you don’t draft a guy unless you know his price specifically and have a deal with him. They might delay the announcement so that the overslot guys don’t know how much they saved on the underslot guys but I doubt any of the Top 12 picks go unsigned.

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      1. Not crazy about his numbers, ERA is a little high for a guy on a college team I’ve never heard of.

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        1. He was a 31th round college pitcher and is the son of our AAA pitching coach. I wouldn’t expect him to be a world-beater 🙂

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        2. What, you never heard of Sioux Falls, just found out from reading the draft list there is a University there. Unless you go by the numbers from the Lehigh Valley team , which I believe is a Summer League team. Don’t put much stock in that. I’d look up his numbers from Sioux Falls but don;t care. And he is a 31st round pick from College as said above (or below) even though good players have come from late in the Draft or as Undrafted Free Agents. But , beyond that it is pretty much of a “We talkin’ bout practice” situation.

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  77. So officially the phils have signed 4 draft picks, their 3rd, 4th, 5th and 22nd round picks.

    3rd- Zachary Green
    4th- Christopher Serritella
    5th- Andrew Pullin
    22nd- Jeb Stefan

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    2. I am really surprised to see that the Phillies have signed Zach Green and Andrew Pullin so early. Like ‘Squire’ mentioned above, they must have known exactly what it would take to get the guys to give up their college commitments. Makes me wonder who they passed on, that wouldn’t give a commitment.

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      1. Players/Agents might also have a more realistic idea of what they can get out of the team as well since the caps are more solid and there are actual ramifications to going over.

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  78. #Phillies seventh-round pick and LHP Hoby Milner has signed for $140,700 (pick value: $140,700).

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    1. Interesting considering he pretty much said “I’m going to school”! Im starting to think that this new system will help teams sign kids away from college with 100-200K bonus’. Unless they turn into TOP talent they are not going to get that $ as a Junior or Senior since Round 5 ends at $200K.

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    2. That’s 5 top 500 BA signings. 6 if you think Perkins is signing. Plus Watson and Gueller. Hopefully they get Rash.

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      1. If they don’t sign every single top 10 pick, then this draft would be close to a failure

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          1. If they don’t sign all of their top 10 round picks (and have money left over from the bonus pool), then they have no extra money to use on bonuses for players chosen in the later rounds.

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        3. I would think if they sign the top 7 picks (through Pullam) I would have been OK with that. But, since apparently from above, they signed the 7th round pick (Milner) I guess that’s OK too. I’m all right on signing Cameron Perkins and that doesn’t look like a problem , then you have 2 College Seniors, and a guy I’m not thinking to have much leverage (Guth) and there’s the top 10. Then after that you got 6 more College Seniors who will sign for peanuts to give a total of 18 signings. If that’s all they get, Can deal with that. If you look back on the history of the Draft, you find a team maybe gets 2 good guys from a Draft and usually it is the first 2 picks.

          Past that point you got (as they say in Computerese meh) and some wild card shot in the dark lottery ticket types.

          So, 18 guys I’m all right with that.

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          1. 2009 signed 33, 2010 and 11 signed 30 that is right around 60% +/- 2%. So if they follow the same history trend they should sign around 24 players!

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          2. I think that any outcome that results in less than every single top 10 pick getting signed AND a minimum of $4.9M spent by the Phillies would represent a major failure by the organization.

            This new system is tailor made for the conservative, frugal draft spending teams like the Phillies have been under RAJ. It would be pretty hard for them to screw this up, so I am hoping they don’t. I am expecting them to get done what they must get done (top 10 picks signed and at least $4.9M spent on signing picks).

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        4. I don’t think this draft is a failure if they don’t sign every player in the top 10 rounds. It depends on WHO they sign. If they sign Gueller, Watson and Rash, that is a ‘Pass’, regardless of whether they sign Cozens or Brady and such. If they can sign those 3 guys plus add another like David Hill, Starwalt or Cody, then that’s a ‘Plus’ grade.

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          1. I do. Every Top 10 pick they don’t sign represents that slot’s signing bonus being subtracted from their overall budget pool. It would be a missed opportunity cost.

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            1. It would only be a missed opportunity cost in the case of Cozens, because he has a slot recommendation that is much higher than his perceived worth. Cozens’ slot savings would be a loss. I agree with that.
              But if the Phillies can’t come to agreement with Kevin Brady, because he wants the whole 125k, it doesn’t cost the Phillies any money towards signing other players. It only matters if they can’t sign someone who would’ve sign under-slot. And we will never know that.

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            2. If Brady doesn’t sign (or anybody in the top 10 doesn’t sign) that money is deducted from the 4. something million from the total draft allotment and then any players from the bottom 30 something if in excess of $100,000 will be taxed or counted from a lower starting point (or in Brady’s case $125,000 less than before).

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            3. right, but if they offer slot but the guy demands more and you sign him you are losing money toward that bottom 30 pool. Signing for slot and not signing someone has the same effect on Bottom 30 pool (you lose the slot money from your budget). The only real loss is if the player is willing to take slot money and you don’t sign him. Even then it might not be a loss if you value him less then slot… then it was just a stupid pick.

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            5. Thanks wayne. That’s what I was trying to say. But hey, if you want to sign someone for over slot just to say you signed all of the top 10, and subtract it from the bottom 30, go ahead. It’s not like your losing that part of the $4.9, it just won’t get spent on this draft.

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            6. So when they sign someone at slot that would also be a “missed opportunity cost”? Yes, they gain pool budget if they sign someone under slot, but they also lose pool budget for signing someone over slot. So in some cases I could see passing on someone if the only choice is to lose pool budget.

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            7. This new draft format isn’t primarily about Slot vs. Overslot like the old draft format was.

              Now what matters is that the Phillies have $4.9M and change in their budget pool. If they sign all of their Top 10 picks they get to keep the entire $4.9M to spend. If one or any of those first 10 round picks don’t sign, the Phillies will have whatever the slot recommendation for that specific player / round deducted from their $4.9M budget pool. They don’t get to save that money and use it for later round picks.

              So the key to the new draft rules isn’t so much about what they pay those top 10 (slot, underslot, overslot, whatever) as much is it is about getting them ALL signed using $4.9M or less.

              Although picks in Rounds 11-40 can each get up to $100K maximum, the Phillies can only offer them more than $100K from their $4.9M budget pool.

              So yes, if any of the Top 10 picks don’t sign, AND if the Phillies don’t spend at least $4.9M on this draft, then I will consider it a major disappointment.

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            8. The key words are still “under-slot”. It doesn’t matter if the Phillies get all 10 rounds signed for 4.9 or they get the first 8 rounds signed for 4.6. They would still be in the same place.
              The key is getting all of the TOP talent signed, while saving some(enough) of your pool for top HS talent in rounds 11- 40.

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            9. I don’t completely agree with you, but there are variables that make it hard to argue in writing. I think they need to get all 10 first picks signed. How much money that takes of the $4.9M I don’t know. But I do know in order for them to have their full $4.9M bonus pool available to them to us any extra for Rounds 11-40…they have to get every single one of the first 10 picks signed.

              If the Phillies spend $4.5M (or whatever) getting their first 10 picks signed, then they should use the remaining $400K (or whatever) to sweeten deals for some the HS guys picked between 11-40.

              So when looking at the new rules it seems pretty clear that at a minimum they need to sign their first 10 picks and spend at least $4.9M in this draft. If they do that they have met the baseline requirement for what should be expected of them.

              That is not setting the bar high. In theory the Phillies could spend $7.9M total on this draft ($4.9M for Top 10, $3M for other 30) so expecting them to spend at a minimum the budget pool assigned to them by Bud Selig and MLB is not asking a whole lot.

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            10. If the Phillies spend over 5.1 million (roughly 10% over) they lose their next first round pick. If they spend 5.4mil or over they lose their next two first round picks and a second rounder.

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            11. Jr, for proof that your reasoning is absolutely correct, you can just head over to the Baseball America Phillies draft page. Hoby Miller is the only signee so far, and his signing is a net zero gain for the Phillies pool, because he signed for slot. His signing doesn’t help the Phillies ability to sign more players (11-40 picks) over-slot.

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    3. Reply to anonymous 8:24am: I agree that it will be good to get all 10 rounds (12 players) signed, but not for the reasons that you are stating. Signing all 12 players does not help you with your 11-40 picks if you use the entire 4.9 million to sign them. That is, unless they plan to go over the 4.9m pool by less than 5%, and paying the 75% tax on the over. In that case, 4% of 4.9 million helps you sign more players than 4% of 4.1 million.

      Basicall, what i’m saying is, that there are scenarios where not signing all 12 players is more advantageous than signing all of them. Example: Signing the 2 seniors to slot bonuses, is MUCH worse than not signing them at all. They would lose money towards 11-40, by signing those guys to slot contracts. In the new format, all underslot signings are advantageous. Using all of your pool on the 1st 10 picks is only good if those 10 are the best talents you drafted.

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      1. “Example: Signing the 2 seniors to slot bonuses, is MUCH worse than not signing them at all.”

        That is actually wrong. It is a net wash, if you do not sign them you lose that slot bonus from your pool, going underslot is good to go overslot on others. The only guys you potentially do not sign are the overslot guys you can’t quite muster enough money to get to sign, otherwise you have every incentive to sign all of your picks and it is likely that the Phils have deals or numbers in place with ~9 of the 12 they picked in the first 10.

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        1. Please explain how signing 2 players to 261K, is a net wash to signing them to say 50k. At their 261K slots, you get nothing towards signing overslot HS talent. At 50K, you still have 211K to offer the overslots. If you give those guys 261K, just to get to your pool limit of 4.9, you lose more than if you didn’t sign them at all… you have the same flexibility, that is a loss.

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      2. Replying to Matt Winks:

        If I am understanding Anonymous correctly, he is pointing out that from Rounds 11-40 the Phillies are allowed to spend up to $100K per player without it counting against their bonus pool. Anything over $100K is what is deducted from the bonus pool.

        So as he pointed out, in “theory” the Phillies could spend an additional $3M on picks 11-40 that would not count as part of their $4.9M bonus pool. Obviously that is not realistic, because reality isn’t that neat and clean, but the broader point I think he was making is that the Phillies are not limited to spending ONLY $4.9M. Within the new rules there is the option for them to spend more trying to get guys signed from 11-40. As long as they don’t go over $100K per player, that money doesn’t count against the $4.9M budget pool.

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  79. interesting point by anonymous. i wonder who they did pass on that didn’t give a commitment, if any.

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    1. If they’re not willing to make a commitment , forget ’em. What, they should play around negotiating till July whatever , and then have some character say “After a long hard thought process and in consultation with the feelings of those around me I have concluded that I need me some education”. Then you lose all that allotment money, or if you buy them out for overslot it will sop up the money for later picks anyway.. And I believe this spending big money on a pick after 40 overall enough to forfeit a draft pick is not a good idea. Especially not with the Great Draft Pick Philly looks like it will wind up with next draft.

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    1. A lot has to happen for us to end up in the TOP 5. Halladay, Utley, and Howard will give us practically nothing the rest of the year. We trade Hamles and Victorino plus bench and BP extras, even then I dont see this team falling that far…

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  81. Right now we’re sitting around 11th or 12th in the draft based on standings. I would expect if we end up with that pick to see RAJ blow it on a FA. The new draft rules have been altered where Type-A FA’s cost a team their first round pick if they’re picking 11th or lower. Previously it was 16th or lower.

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  82. Shane Watson
    http://www.gazettes.com/sports/lakewood/baseball-lakewood-s-shane-watson-drafted-by-phillies/article_2c96139e-aed6-11e1-9838-001a4bcf887a.html

    Of course, Watson is also going to have to quickly leave behind the life he’s had in Southern California, flying to Florida in a few weeks for a two month rookie ball stint, then taking a break before flying out again for a month in the instructional league, and then hoping to catch a good Minor League assignment. Asked what he’d be doing on Tuesday, Watson laughed, realizing, “Oh man. It really still hasn’t set in—I have two finals tomorrow.”

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  83. Something I read today on ba. three different players didnt want to be drafted, one was a top two hundred and because he didnt take a pre draft medical was inelgilible for draft, never knew that.

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    1. Nice work there by yardbarker.com. So he hasn’t signed yet but was given a 1.2million signing bonus. Sports reporting is awful these days.

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      1. Squire, the Bleacher Report and Yardbarker sites are not good information sites anymore.

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    1. In the article, Cozens says he planned on signing if he was drafted in the first 100 picks. Does that mean he wants as much money as a top 100 slotted player? The 100th pick gets $476K.

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      1. I had the same thought when I read that quote from him. $476k should be considered the floor of what he wil sign for.

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  86. Arizona football recruit picked 77th in baseball draft, will sign with Phillies
    2 sport star? just kidding…
    Cozens was “one of the best defensive ends we saw this year in high school, period,” Rodriguez said on Signing Day.
    He quickly told the Arizona Republic that he will sign with Philadelphia.
    “I’m glad that it (getting drafted) finally happened,” Cozens told the Republic. “I’m ready to get the show on the road.”
    In new draft rules with prescribed bonuses for picks through the first 10 rounds, Cozens could be due around $659,800 as a signing bonus, according to Baseball America.
    His mother told the Republic that her son had a $2 million offer to play in Japan.
    Asked last week about Cozens’ baseball possibilities, UA football coach Rich Rodriguez told TucsonCitizen.com: “If it comes to that point, then we’ll present the facts to him as to what his options would be. Selfishly, we want him to play football, but we’ll see how that goes.”

    But it sounds as if Cozens’ mind was pretty much made up.

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  87. Andrew Pullin
    http://sports.tmcnet.com/news/2012/06/07/6355773.htm

    “This is pretty cool, I guess it’s a dream come true,” said Pullin, who was in a marine biology class when he got the call from a Phillies scout explaining that he had just been drafted. “It’s always what I’ve wanted to do.” He has signed a National Letter of Intent to play with the University of Oregon next season, but he explained that playing professional baseball has been a dream of his for a long time he will forego college to enter the Phillies’ farm system.

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    1. Unimportant but Interesting note on Pullin in that article – He has pitched in high school both left-handed and right-handed. That is very rare.

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  88. Cameron Perkins
    http://www.indystar.com/article/20120606/SPORTS0602/206060328/MLB-Draft-coverage-Mets-take-Purdue-s-Kevin-Plawecki-35th-overall-pick

    Perkins stayed on the board longer than expected. He was projected as the 145th-best player available by Baseball America. Perkins said he plans to meet with the Phillies on Thursday and expects to eventually sign with them. Former major-league pitcher Braden Looper is his adviser.

    “It’s exciting, obviously, getting drafted, but I’m glad it’s over,” he said. “It’s nerve-racking just sitting there waiting and waiting. I really don’t think they care (what position) I play,” said Perkins, who also played first base at Purdue and could be shifted to the outfield. “I think they drafted me as a hitter. They will find a spot for me in the field.”

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  89. Josh Ludy (8th round)
    http://www.1660espn.com/includes/news_items/1/news_items_more.php?id=887&section_id=1
    Ludy, the 2012 Big 12 Player of the Year and a third-team All-American, has turned in one of the best senior seasons in program history. Entering the Waco Super Regional, he leads the Big 12 with 15 home runs and 69 RBI, and his .368 batting average is third in the league. Ludy has started behind the plate in 59 of Baylor’s 63 games this season, including every conference and postseason game.

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    1. It looks like the Phillies scouts did a good job of drafting and signing in the top 10 rounds as many have signed already.

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  91. as long as qualls and blanton keep pitching , there is a excellent chance that we can get as high as 8 in next years draft, cubs, astros seattle, oakland,kc. minnesota. san diego then us i am really excite to draft that high

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    1. If we were to be that low in the draft what are the odds Blanton or Qualls are even with the Phillies at the end of the year? If the Phillies were to call it a lost season and become Sellers depending on our injured players Qualls will be RELEASED and if Blanton can show any type of positive performance he will be traded for skittles!

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  92. bergeraj how much you think we get for blanton the .98 cent bag or the 1.70 bag of skittles??

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  93. I watched 11th round pick William Carmona against LSU and he was impressive as he had a couple hits including a hard hit double. He played 3rd in this game but didn’t seem to have much hit his way. Looks stocky, the announcers talked about how good his power is from both sides of the plate, was hitting 3rd in the lineup. Hope they end up signing him.

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    1. Based on his scouting report he seems to be in line to take the Rizzotti role in the organization.

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  95. hope we get at least one pitcher for the bullpen out of this draft, rosenberg,blows the game, bullpeni so bad, i cant blame charlie on this one he has no one he can trust shame, these were the games we are suppose to win

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    1. The home run didn’t even look like a bad pitch to me. Good hitter in a little park- sometimes that happens.

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  96. 3B William Carmona actually had 3 hits and a walk yesterday vs LSU. Today he was 1-4 off Kevin Gausman but with a throwing error in the bottom of the 9th his 14th of the year. He is short and stocky like Daniel said and i dont know if he can stay at 3rd. I like that hes a switch hitter with power from both sides more so on the left. C Josh Ludy hits 3rd for Baylor and had 1 hit today as well.

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  97. Kevin Brady just joined Hoby Milner as the confirmed signed players, according to the Baseball America register. Milner signed for slot, at 140K, Brady signed for slot, at 125K.

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  98. Wasn’t Brady a senior? I thought that this was one of the picks that the Phillies would look to get done for less than slot in order to save a little money to invest elsewhere. I’m not sure about Guth’s bonus, but it would seem there are not many other guys left aside from Ludy where they could sign a bit of cash.

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    1. Yeah, a Senior, that’s what the chart said. Looks like they won’t skim much off from his signing. Thought I heard he was pretty good and would have went higher except for some unfortunate event or something. Who knows? I don’t assume all the College guys and worthless, or whatever. Alot of them were the HS hotshots of a couple of years back. And they got to bribe their replacements with lots of bucks so they don’t go to College, but if they do, alot of people assume they are also ran’s .

      Somebody mentioned opportunity costs above, or was it Nobody. Looked at the Joe Savery draft, a College player for those who don’t know, and the opportunity costs there.
      If you factor out the guys they weren’t going to spend the tariff on, Don’t see alot.
      Factor out everybody past the 2nd pick (T. D’Arnaud) (which I think few would question now) and you have alot of players none would take in the 1st round. The only guys I see as a significant loss would be Rick Porcello and they weren’t going to spend that, and you got “Mike ” Stanton ( who I would think would have got a big bonus also) . Now, in the 6th round they take Rizzotti one pick ahead of Anthony Rizzo. But, maybe they weren’t going to spend the money there also. Opportunity costs, or fiscal responsibility, or cheapness, you be the judge.

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    2. Brady is a ‘Redshirt’ junior, but he is still only 21. That gave him enough leverage to get slot.
      Seems like an interesting player. I saw his name mentioned as high as 5th round before the draft, and that was while he was injured.

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  99. As far as the Ludy factor. Looks like he has the Smokey Burgess- Mike Lavalierre build, though a Right Handed Hitter. Late in the game announcer said Ludy said to him that he (Ludy) was actually 5’8 and not 5’10 as listed. So, you can mark that 5’8 220 on your draft notes. Looks like he can get his weight behind his swing, though, that’s important. Looks like he might have some kind of estrangement from, you know, catching the ball, so maybe they can skim a little there.

    If not , then you hope for the top 12, plus you likely get the 6 seniors past that point, to get back to the 18 guys I mentioned way above. Then you can hope for guys past the 11th round who they can get for $100,000 Maybe the aforementioned William Carmona, who seems to also be of a “stocky” build.. I suspect they might convert him to Catcher , also Maybe he and Ludy can start at Lakewood, Ludy catches most all to start off, and they work Carmona in slow-like while he mostly DH’s. Looks like they have an opening there. Also Williamsport and points South.

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      1. But of the 27 signed they only spent 1,097,000 of their $9+mil allotted they did draft a lot of college juniors and signing them for under 100K

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  100. So who is confirmed to have signed?
    Based on the info and links provided by others, the following appear to have signed, even if not formally announced by the Phils as of yet:
    3 125 Zachary Green (HS) SS
    4 158 Christopher Serritella (College, SR), 1B
    5 188 Andrew Pullin (HS) OF
    7 248 Hoby Milner (College, JR) LHP
    9 308 Jordan Guth , (College, JR) RHP
    10 338 Kevin Brady, (College, SR*) RHP
    15 488 Zach Cooper, (College, SR), RHP
    22 698 Jeb Stefan (College, SR) RHP
    31 968 Chris Nichols (College, JR) RHP
    UFA Blake Mascarello,(College, SR), LHP

    Indication will/have signed, but no link confirming signing:
    2 77 Dylan Cozens (HS) OF
    6 218 Cameron Perkins (College, JR) 3B
    8 278 Josh Ludy (College, SR) C

    Indication will not/unlikely to sign:
    26 818 Evan Van Hoosier, (HS) 2B
    33 1028 Kyle Cody, (HS) RHP
    34 1058 Darrell Miller, Jr. (HS) C
    40 1238 Eric Hanhold, (HS), RHP

    Any other news?
    If I made any mistakes, please let me know.

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    1. Well at least the who will Jorge Soler sign with should be done soon. MLB TradeRumors is reporting that it will be announced by tomorrow that he has signed a 4 yr. deal with someone. Most likely the Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, or Braves

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      1. ‘other teams have been linked to Soler, including the Astros, Pirates, Indians, Red Sox, Phillies, and Blue Jays’, MLBTR……don’t give up hope…Ruben may have an ace up his sleeve. Scott Proefrock mentioned last week that there are no financial limitations when it comes to minor league player development.

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        1. I find it hard to believe Proefrock’s comment considering the Phillies rank near the bottom of MLB in total minor league draft and international spend from 2007 thru 2011. And that even includes the great job they did getting so many players signed in 2008. The draft spends in 2009 and 2010 were especially bottom of the barrell. Really since RAJ has taken over as GM and Mike Arbuckle as left, the Phillies have gotten even more frugral in draft spending.

          So if this is by design, and not because of a hard budget constraint, I think that makes it even worse.

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          1. They also have consistently picked either at the bottom of the first round or out of the first round entirely. Stop looking at amount spent. The Phillies have consistently drafted well and spent where they thought appropriate. They have turned their drafts into Cliff Lee, Hunter Pence and Roy Halladay.

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            1. They have passed on numerous opportunities to draft falling talent due to signability concerns. This Phillies draft spending has been at the bottom 5 of MLB over the past 5 years by their own choice, not due to circumstances beyond their control. It has been a deliberate decision on their parts not to spend.

              What RAJ has done well is to flip minor league talent for MLB veterans. I don’t have a problem with him doing that, but I do have a problem with him draining the system of talent while not restocking as fast as he was emptying it with similar talent.

              Having said that I actually liked the 2011 and 2012 drafts much better than the previous 2 years. I thought the 2009 draft was below average (lowest spending in MLB while letting Stewart, Susac, others walk), and the 2010 draft wasn’t much better.

              As far as the Phillies “drafting well” I think there is a bit of echo chamber on this site in that regard. It is almost anethema to suggest otherwise. But I would argue that while the 2008 draft (and their total spend) was mostly fantastic (except for Round 1 ironically), many other recent years have left alot to be desired.

              The Phillies had an incredible run of draft success from 1996 thru 2002. Since then there drafts have been mostly average. They do a good job of finding a quality prospect here or there, but they have traded most of those guys away.

              It is time to stop living in the past and take a hard look at where they are at right now and where they are going.

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            3. Well, your comment kinda proves my point that any suggestion that the Phillies draft approach has been lackluster under RAJ is not received well.

              We are all fans of the Phillies and share a passion for the farm system. That is why we are here. But if we take our fan hats off, and open up our minds to the actual evidence, it seems rather clear the Phillies draft success under RAJ since Gillick / Arbuckle left has been average at best. Especially looking at 2009 and 2010 drafts.

              The Lakewood team is loaded with prospects from 2009 and 2010 draft classes, and their results so far don’t inspire a ton of confidence.

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            5. Well, I am certainly hoping that proves to be true. I root for guys to succeed, not to fail. I am still rooting for Anthony Hewitt…even though I realize he is longest of long shots.

              But understand, I made the same comments during and after the 2009 and 2010 drafts. This isn’t hindsight talking. It seemed pretty clear even at the time of those drafts that they were underwhelming. I was disappointed after those drafts. If felt like the Phillies just mailed it in.

              I am not sure what changed after an incredible 2008 draft. But their approach and selections seemed different. It was almost like they were trying to save money after spending almost $7M in 2008.

              I still find it hard to understand how they can justify a MLB spend that is Top 5 in MLB but a draft and international spend that is Bottom 5 in MLB.

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  101. According to Baseball America Phils have confirmed signing Milner and Brady for their exact slot price. My question is if the Phils are going to save with their college signees then who are they saving with for post 10th round signings? If they don’t save with the college guys then what if an earlier HS kid wants over slot? I hope the plan isn’t to offer slot to everyone and just see who signs and who doesn’t

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  103. Milner was a college junior and Brady was a redshirt and therefore, they had the option of going back to school. They only drafted two college seniors in the Top 10.

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    1. You must have meant Serrritella was a Redshirt. Redshirt means he has been there 4 years. Maybe he graduated, if not somebody that does 4 years and still needing another year to graduate maybe not be an education at all costs type. What, he should hang around another year just to play Baseball for nothing , just to come back as a Senior prospect in the next Draft and get much less, maybe, instead of at least 40% of the “Slot” value in this Draft.

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      1. No he meant Brady was a “Redshirt”. Brady had the same leverage as Milner and Perkins(being true juniors), because he is only 21 years old. If they tried to low ball him too much, he could have gone back to school, finished his degree, and took a low ball figure next year.

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  104. William Carmona helped Stony Brook defeat LSU today advancing to the college W.S. with 3 hits, a double, 1 rbi, 1 walk but with another error his 15th. His avg is now .399. This kid seems to be a really good hitter just dont know where he will play.

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        1. “Yup, 1 down, 2 to go.”

          Only our first two picks remaing unsigned of the first 10 rounds? I haven’t seen a cumulative list.

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          1. And, what’d he say, he signed for $940,000. The “slot” is supposed to $940,200. Either he didn’t consider the $200.00 important enough to mention, or they skimmed that $200.00. If so, Now they can kick that to somebody else. Might not be the tipping point for too many.

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            1. And the Phils reportedly went over slot to sign 3rd round pick Zachary Green (slot was about $375k). Maybe they can skim a couple hundred thousand dollars from Cozens, but it’s tough to see how the Phils can skim enough money from rounds 1-10 to make a really attractive offer to Daniel Starwalt, Kyle Cody, or Evan Van Hoosier.

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            2. Almost no chance for those guys. The only real way to do it right is if you’re drafting really high and get a pre-draft deal in place to save millions as the Astros just did.

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            3. The more I look at the situation, the less I think Cozens will sign significantly under-slot. The Phillies will get Serritella and Ludy underslot, and save 300K. That may be the most they can skim.
              I think the Phillies may have to choose between paying Rash Over-slot (800K), or signing a David Hill type, for 300-400K.

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  107. Shane Watson was just put in BOLD on thr Baseball America draft register. He signed for the entire slot, 1.29m.

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    1. Not to nitpick, but do you see a link where it says how much he signed for? The BA database just shows how much the pool amount for his slot is, not how much he signed for. Is there another place to see actual bonus? That same database lists Guth’s bonus as $125,000, which seems high.

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      2. I apologize. I can’t provide a link from my phone. The Baseball america bonus amounts are hidden for subscribers.

        Watson, Cozens, Perkins, Milner and Brady all got the full slot. Serritella got 200K(saved 72K). Guth got 50K(saved 75K). They don’t provide figures for the guys after round 10.

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    2. So much for him being a cheap sign to give us some extra money…full slot for a guy who wasn’t even in the Top 500?

      Gotta say WTF.

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    1. On Phillies.com they also list Nicholas Hanson (16), Geoff Broussard (23), and Chad Carman (24) as having signed.

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  112. I am getting nervous about Alec Rash. The Phillies already signed 2 HS picks outside of the top 10 rounds. Golden and Bielski. No amounts found.

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    1. Probably won’t sign him till July when his HS season is over apparently. IA does not start till June.

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      1. The problem is, that even if Golden and Bielski only received 100K, the Phillies will have a maximum of 260K for over-slots. BA hasn’t announced what Pullins and Green received, so that is 260K to split between. Rash, Pullin and Green.

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        1. We also have 5% leeway above our total pool where we can pay a cash penalty but not lose a pick. Not that I expect us to, but we do have a little cash flexibility if the right flier pick wants to sign.

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          1. You are right. That is another 245K, if they do not mind paying 75% tax on that amount.
            183K in taxes shouldn’t be the difference in signing someone you really want.

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      1. Well, as it stands right now, of the 2nd round HS players that have signed, they have all signed for slot. Not many have signed yet though.

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    3. Unless the scouts had a major glitch or the kid renegs on deal, he’ll sign and an agreement has already been reached. The new draft system caused the teams to seek certainty in first 10 rounds. It would be a serious surprise if one of our top 10 rounders fails to sign.

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  114. Phillies were never in the running per Keith Law. It was the Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs that were the final bidders.

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  115. Watched our 11th round pick William Carmona play last night for Stony Brook against LSU. Looks like he has an above average arm, speed, and power. Had a couple of nice extra base hits. He will playing in the CWS later this week. Would look good at 3B for the Phils.

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  116. Somebody posted above that the Phils went over slot for Zachary Green but I have not seen any confirmation of this signing from any other source. Does anyone have a link?

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  117. The Phillies announced the signings of Watson (1S), Cozens (2), Serritella (4), Perkins (6), Milner (7), Guth (9), Brady (10), Golden (13), Bielski (14), Carman (24), Broussard (23), Hanson (16), Stefan (22) and Sisto (20).

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  119. Mitch Gueller now in BOLD. Received whole slot recommendation. Philles up to 3.5m for the announced signings.

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  121. unless the phillies change there approach to international players, we wont be getting any top prospects, they wont go over a million for these kids, and a lot of the top twenty will get that i believe.

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    1. I think they already have changed their approach with the way they paid Tocci. These kids arent going to get 3 million dollar bonuses anymore. With all the teams shutting down their Venezuelan facilities, I think the Phillies may be able to corner the top prospects there.

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      1. This year will be more fair than it has been maybe ever because each team will have a max pool for $2.9 million to spend. Next year it changes to a sliding scale where the worst team in 2012 (standings) gets $4.7m and the best team gets $1.9 i think.

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      2. No, you don’t need to have a team in VZ to sign VZ talent, you just need scouts. To get the guys identified as the top talent, you really just need a fly-by scout and a checkbook. The Phillies likely do get an advantage with the mid- and chancier-level talent, since they likely have more days on duty with baseball people.

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  122. interesting to me, why did the teams shut down the venezulan facilites , i never heard why. can you help me with the reason behind it, thank you

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    1. A lot left Venezuela (maybe all of them) because of the dangers of the country. Baseball players are targeted as sources of income for potential ransom. Several MLB players or their families have been kidnapped in recent years.

      I believe ESPN outside the lines visited the Phillies facility (one of only 4 MLB teams still in the country) and the perimeter of it looked like a prison. You had high fences and guard posts with security.

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  123. http://www.phoulballz.com/

    Phils sign first wave of draft picks
    Jim Callis, of Baseball America, reported via Twitter this evening that the Phillies have signed 14 draft picks, including supplemental 1st round selection Shane Watson for $1,291,300, which is the full pick value.

    Watson attended the same high school (Lakewood, California) that former 1st round draft pick Travis d’Arnaud attended when he was selected by the Phillies in 2007. I spoke with d’Arnaud recently about Watson.

    “I played with his older brother and used to watch (Shane) play a little,” d’Arnaud stated. “I am really happy for him and I know he will enjoy the Phillies organization, as I did.”

    Additionally, the Phillies have also signed their 2nd round pick, high school outfielder Dylan Cozens for $659,800, also at pick value. 4th round draft choice Southern Illinois first baseman Chris Serritella signed for $200,000, which is under pick value, and 6th rounder Purdue 3rd baseman Cameron Perkins has agreed to sign for $152,900, at full pick value.

    Additionally, it was reported that righty hurler Mitch Gueller, a high schooler from Washington state, also signed with the Phillies and received a signing bonus of $940,000.

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    1. Slot value for Serritella (pick # 158) was $272,300; he signed for $200,000. I’m guessing the difference went to 3rd round pick Zach Green, who reportedly signed for over his slot value of $374,400.

      Cozens signing for full slot ($659,800) makes that pick baffling to me. I thought that pick was all about getting value relative to slot, to use the skimmed savings elsewhere. Cozens likely would have been around in much later rounds, so why not get more value in the 2nd round if you’re gonna pay full slot anyway?

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      1. Per Cozens, they must see something that we do not. Which is very much possible. They’ve seen a lot more of him than probably any of us have. And even if someone here has seen him a lot, it’s likely they aren’t as good at seeing what to look for as the scouts.

        Personally, I’m excited to see him play because he is HUGE. You just know if he can hit balls will be flying out of the park. Our scouts have earned some trust by this point I think.

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        1. Everything I read about him from Ruben’s standpoint is high acclaim. The strength and body-build are already there.

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        2. Or he could be the next Ryan Minor!

          One thing worth noting for a player of Cozens’ size is that we should not expect a high batting average. 6’6″ players, even the greatest of them, just almost never hit for a high average. The only one who could was Dave Winfield.

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        3. It’s not that Cozens is a bad pick, it’s that he is not a good value in the 2nd round (#77 pick) at full slot. For instance, Alec Rash, who was the #95 pick, is said to be a tough sign. Why not take Rash with the #77 pick (making him more likely to sign) and then select Cozens later on? Cozens almost certainly would have still been available in later rounds.

          It’s like Cozens hit 10 homers in his workout and the Phils went gaga and lost discipline in their draft strategy. Doesn’t seem to make sense.

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          1. If the Phillies weren’t sure Rash would sign they wouldn’t have used a top 10 pick on him because if they don’t sign a pick they forfeit that money from the pool. He’ll sign, the Phillies are smart with their money and picks. Especially now when they have to spend a certain allotment on picks.

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      2. What makes you think that other teams were not in on him? BA’s rankings? Do you see how many “off the board” players are selected early? If you want him and think he could potentionally be selected, then it’s not worth missing out on the guy that you want.

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        1. Agreed, he was worked out by Philly and Texas and the Phillies used their 1st pick of the 2nd round to get him before Texas. If they really were sure he’d drop they would have used their 2nd pick of the 2nd round on him instead of the 1st.

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        2. I agree with you. The fans rely on Baseball America rankings. The teams don’t care what BA thinks. It is unreasonable to expect MLB teams to base their draft strategy on BA rankings.
          I like Rash better than Cozens, based on what I read in Baseball america. The Phillies have faith in their own scouts. They obviously ranked Cozens in their own top 77 players. Judging by the size of Cozens bonus, they did not pick him for the purpose of saving money. If they wanted to save money, they would have taken a college player in that spot.

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  124. Callis lists Watson as one of 5 draftees who could end up as the teams #1 prospect. Not sure if that’s an indictment on the current farm or a compliment to Watson. Probably a little of both.

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    1. That really surprises me. I can’t see him being a better prospect than Biddle right now. Biddle is putting up great numbers against older competition in A+. Perhaps Watson’s stuff grades out better, but one has to factor in Biddle’s strong performance so far as a pro.

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      1. I could see it if Biddle struggles or Watson as a great debut, he has the talent for it. I don’t think it is likely but there is a possibility there.

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      2. Agreed on Biddle. I think this comment speaks to the lack of blue chip talent in the system. Biddle is clearly #1 and May #2 but a pretty steep drop off after that.

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      3. Gotta also take into consideration the 2 different climates and difficulty with better competition that Watson likely faced as a Cali kid over a kid in the Northeast who probably didn’t play as much before being drafted. I think it’s the fact that he has 2 plus plus pitches that makes him dangerous and that they only need to smooth out his delivery and continue working his cutter. To come into camp with 2 plus plus pitches and a below average to average 3rd pitch is pretty special for a high schooler. I’m not saying he will be #1 but those same minor league experts still say Biddle is #3 starter in the majors and maybe a tick above.

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        1. Mistake everyone makes is assuming guys like Jim Callis or Keith Law actually know more about the Phillies system than do many of the people posting on this site.

          They certainly know more about minor league prospects overall and more about the guys who were just drafted but they are not keeping track on a day-to-day basis of how individual prospects are doing in all 30 ML farm systems. As a result, their evaluation of existing minor league prospects are based on maybe seeing a guy play once or twice a season, talking to a few scouts they know, looking a stats, etc.

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          1. They do know more about the Phillies system. They actually have contacts within the organization.They go to games and watch players. It’s the height of arrogance to think you know more than they do. Even though they cover 30 teams.

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            1. Don’t doubt that a guy like Callis or Law know more about the system than I do. But I would suspect that guys like Gregg and a few others around here who are season ticket holders with these minor league teams are better aware of the current situation with individual players on those teams than a national writer at BBA or ESPN.

              There is a concept know as the wisdom of crowds which states that no one person, no matter how intellegent, can’t possibly know more about a particular subject that does a large group of individuals who each have their own piece of information.

              I believe Keith Law has stated in the past that while he attends dozens of minor league games each year, he still can only see any particular prospect in person more that a handful of times each year.

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            2. The Wisdom of crowds MAY result in higher knowledge. But, you take an evolutionary biologist and put him in a crowd of 1,000 people and they won’t have more information about evolution. That relies on the concept that people there actually have unique sourced info. Most people on this board(myself included) get almost all of our info(with some exceptions) from the same place. Box scores.

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            3. The problem 3up – and sorry if I’m grumpy, but the absurd reaction to recent events around hereby some people makes me grumpy* – is that the “crowd” around here consists (generously) of 45% people who don’t have a clue about basenall, 45% who do have a clue but see very few minor league games, and maybe at most 5% who have real baseball knowledge and see games. The commentary of that 5% is fantastic, but by and large (as one would expect) reinforces, rather then contradicts, what the scouts say.

              With Biddle in particular, I think he is highly regarded by the “experts” with some reservations about his velocity. That’s about the same perspective that you get around here from people who have watched him. I’m guessing that the Calis quote (and of course the operative word is “could” end up as the team’s top prospect) says more about Watson than about Biddle.

              * “Let’s trade Rollins so we can play a no hit glove man (yes, promising, but still not much of a major league hitter) with a broken back.”

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        2. I think you need to be careful about using “plus plus” when describing pitchers’ offerings. Wolever said Watson has two plus pitches and I have not seen any of BA, KLaw, KG, etc. put a “plus plus” tag on any of Watson’s pitches.

          The way I read his scouting reports was that he had a really good curveball and a promising fastball but sometimes his velo wasn’t there (i.e. sometimes he’d pitch in the upper 80s on his FB).

          Everything I read about Watson made me think “eventual #3 starter.” That is not to denigrate him – being a #3 starter in the majors is quite an accomplishment. And obviously he could develop another pitch. But let’s not get too crazy about him and let’s remember there’s a reason he was the 17th pitcher taken.

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          1. A Plus Plus fastball is Verlander.
            A Plus Plus Curveball is Verlander.
            A Plus Plus Change Up is Cole Hamels.
            So on and So forth. Having two plus plus pitches is rare.

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          2. you guys really need to stop relying on second hand sources like Kevin Goldstein. He has NEVER seen any of these guys and is just spewing off second hand dialogue. I think Klaw saw Watson for about 8 pitches at the all-star game in Compton. If out scouting director who has actually seen the kid pitch says 2 plus plus than its 2 plus plus.

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            1. And you don’t think he’d have any secondary agenda in pumping up his own property? Come on, Bob.

              KG/Law/Callis are valuable sources because they talk to MULTIPLE scouts and GMs, who see kids MULTIPLE times. For that reason, their data is worth more than if they went to see the prospect themselves. They’re certainly not infallible, and have their own biases (towards kinds of players, not teams) which are easily enough picked out if you follow them long enough (after watching KG rank Scott Mathieson in his top ten multiple years, I’ve learned not to trust him on high-velo, poor-secondary bullpen arms), but saying you’d trust Woelver’s word over theirs is kind of nuts IMO.

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            2. I do value certain second hand opinions. Keith to a certain point and only specific baseball america writers. I like Ben Badler. Watson has been seen by multiple second hand scouting sites in southern california which I would trust a whole hell of a lot more than Kevin Goldstein going off of a report from a random area scout that he thinks is bible.

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            3. Keith Law sees a lot of the players. Kevin Goldstein doesn’t see anybody. He just goes by what somebody told him. When he does podcasts and interviews Law, he does nothing but defer.

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  125. When the Phils drafted Biddle I didn’t expect that within 2 years he’d be their #1 prospect. Of course that is due to them trading away guys who would be #1 and then May struggling at AA.

    I’m not surprised at Cozens getting slot. I said when he was drafted I thought the reason he was taken a couple rounds earlier than where he probably should have gone is because Cozens told the Phillies how much it would cost for him to pass up on college. So they needed to draft him where they did to give him the bonus he wanted. MLB teams always have to overpay two-sport athletes.

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    1. He told teams he would sign if he were in the top 100 picks. That sets a floor of $476k or so. I would have tried to sign him for $500k in the slot where they took him. But there is a reason I am not in charge of these things and I am now glad that he is part of the system. Maybe he’ll be the next Adam Dunn! Or even Matt Rizzoti!

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      1. Maybe they think Cozens is the left handed Giancarlo Stanton, similar build, power potential and both played football

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    1. Interesting that he’s only going to take the 100k for a high school pitcher. But I guess if he’s only going to a Juco school I guess it’s not taking away from a big scholarship.

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  129. From what the article says it is pretty close to being done, per Wolever. I can’t think of a time when he has so characterized a signing and then it fell through.

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  131. I like how the deadline to sign is earlier this year. It seemed like last year, Greene & Quinn took a while to get their deals done & then the season was over. No time left for any at-bats.

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  132. Tyler got a few but Larry and Quinn didn’t get any ABs as I recall. I personally suspect that Cozens is going to jump out ahead of Larry G., this year as a future power option.

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    1. Any particular reason why? Of all the evidence we have, which is not much, I would expect LG to be better.

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      1. I agree with this completely. Greene was recognized as the best HS power in the draft last year. Cozens couldn’t crack BA’s Top 500 prospects. Ratings aren’t gospel but one BP session at CBP doesn’t mean that much to me.

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  133. Dan, to me it seemed those guys plus Walding were all looking at it as their last “endless summer,” rite of passage before heading off to life.

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    1. Or because the Phillies signed them to bonuses overslot that had to wait to go through until the end of the summer. The Phillies usually wait to sign the overslot guys until end of summer and it’s usually high school players so that they can get a full winter of training before seeing their 1st game action.

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  134. I don’t know for sure if it is the format this year but if we get Rash and Zach locked up pretty soon (like by the end of the week) I for one will feel pretty darn good about this draft. Addressed power with: Cozens, Serritella, Perkins, Josh Luty, and Carmona (assuming he signs). Major infusion of projectable arms in Rash, Watson, and Gueller along with Milner and Brady, and when you combine this haul with what was accomplished last year in getting some speed and some middle infielders into the mix, It’s like a great mix. I’m really excited about these arms, I’m excited about this year’s power and I’m excited about last year’s prospects like Martinez, Asche, Greene, Quinn et al.

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    1. We got a HS Green for the IF this year as well, so added to last year’s group we have a good chance that somebody develops.

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  135. even though quinn and greene havent showed anything yet?? and martinez is just holding his own and asche is hitting 227 over his last ten games, and if watsons curve isnt a plus, then i am nuts, i saw that curve its a great pitch, dont know about his velocity but his curve lookds like 12-6 to me.

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    1. It’s not unusual for a draft pick to not play for his team until next season’s short-season ball starts. Be patient.

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    2. This is the worst kind of stat-parsing. Yes, Asche is hitting .227 over his last 10, dropping his average to — .330. Please.

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    3. Did you seriously just cite a ten game sample as support for your argument? Really? Stay over at philly.com

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    1. That’s a video of Zachary Taylor signing. I went about halfway up this thread and saw nothing that said he signed.

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      1. And to correct the draft list- he clearly throws with his left hand in video, rather than the Right on the draft list.

        And it all kind of fits together- Zachary Taylor was the 12th president- This Zachary Taylor wears #12, and was the 12th round pick.

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  138. Baseball America updated 13th round pick, Steven Golden’s entry. It shows that the High Schooler signed for 100K.
    Golden is one of the few non-ranked HS players who have a scouting report on Perfect Game website. It was from 2011, but says he has a nice approach to hitting and is physically comparable to a Mike Cameron type.

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  139. Looking at the top 10 rounds, I have noted confirmed bonuses for 8 of the 12, adding up to $3.56m. Of those 8, the Phils have gotten “savings” of $147k relative to pool amount for those picks ($3.71m).

    We pretty much know that Green and Pullin have signed (articles in local papers say so) and we think Ludy has signed (twitter picture), so the only one without a lot of clarity is Rash (Wolever says close to agreement; Rash says it could take weeks).

    I’m going to hazard a guess that Pullin signs for slot. I’m also going to guess that the Phils get some “savings” on Ludy…to pluck a number out of the air let’s say he signed for 100k, yielding savings of 31k.

    If that happens, the Phils will have about $175k to split among Rash, Green, and any other post-round 10 guys. I’m guessing that Rash and Green have verbally agreed to sign, but the final number is still up in the air, hence no annoucement. I assume their final numbers are dependent either on: 1) how much in savings the Phillies have; 2) the Phillies asking them to hold off so that the guys later than round 10 do not know exactly how much extra money the Phillies have to play with. For example, if the Phils sign all picks from the top 10 rounds and end up with savings of $30k, a post-round 10 draftee can know exactly the max amount the Phils can pay and hence will ask for that amount.

    These are all just guesses, but again my feeling is that Rash and Green will sign but we might have to wait until 7/15 to know the amounts.

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    1. That wasn’t totally clear. My guess is that Rash and Green won’t know their final number until 7/15 as the Phils try to spread their “savings” amongst some of the post-round 10 guys.

      Please tell me where I screwed up.

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      1. Rash and Green probably already have agreements and numbers. Maybe Rash is still hashing it out but there is no way this get to 7/15 (really 7/13) if the Phillies think they are close. It is any additional post top 10 HS guys that will get delayed (other than Anderson in the 21st who looks close).

        My guess is our top 18 picks are all signed with public numbers by the start of GCL next week. Maybe we get 1 or 2 more after that but I doubt we get any high end talents beyond what we have. Maybe the Canadian kid and 1 other (without a strong commitment).

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        1. I’m guessing that the Phils may be holding off on getting a final number with Rash so that those later HS kids won’t know exactly how much the Phils can offer. It gives the Phils a tad more negotiating leverage. But it is certainly possible that I am wrong and negotiations are legitimately ongoing.

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      2. I’m not sure the Phillies will have enough “savings” to spread to the 11-40 round picks. Rash, Green and Pullins should be able to command a little overslot. Not sure why it is assumed that Pullin will settle for his 203K slot, but Green will get more than his 374K slot. Pullin was actually the higher rated player, pre-draft.
        I could see Pullin receiving a “Brian Pointer like” bonus of 300K.

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        1. Ludy and Pullin’s names are now in “BOLD”, on the BA register. No salary info yet, for either.

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        2. My assumption for pullin at slot was based on his quotes in the local paper. He sounded very eager to get playing as as pro. But you’re certainly right in that he could warrant more than slot.

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    2. I think you may be overestimated the potential Ludy signing bonus. He is the only true senior in the top ten rounds. They will save more than 31K on his 131K slot. The Phillies give seniors 5-10K to sign. I bet the don’t pay him over 25K.

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    3. This sounds like a silly question, but if the penalty for going less than 5% over is just paying money, and not even much money (i.e., if the Phils go $200,000 over, the penalty is paying an extra $150,000), why won’t most teams do that?

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      1. Calis was asked this question the other day in his Chat, He doesnt think EVERY team will go over slot but most will by a few %. Also thinks the Pirates may go over more than 5% to get Appel signed

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        1. How’s that? Pittsburgh will forfeit its’ 1st round pick for next season just to sign this guy, and I believe the compensation rule for not signing players in 1st 3 rounds are still in effect, so , as opposed to that they could get their own 1st round pick next season plus a compensatory pick for not signing Appel? But, I just read that chat, and I don’t think Calis said that, I think he said that the Pirates would not forfeit next season’s draft pick.
          They may go over Appel’s “slot” by more than 5%, but that really wasn’t the question.

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      2. For a team like the Phillies, who have seemingly let players go unsigned for a couple 100K, I would think that they will weigh the cost/benefit of the tax very carefully for each player.
        For a player like David Hill, it may not be worth it to them, to sign him to a bonus 245K overslot, plus another 180K in tax. Thats basically a 525K bonus for a day 3 pick. They usually don’t pay over 350K for any late round pick, before letting him walk.

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        1. Not sure they will be that strict on this. In the past they did not want to set a precedent for a bonus that was way over a kid’s talent. I do not think it was being cheap with money as much as towing the MLB line. That of course is an issue with the tax here, but if a David Hill bonus is 345K I think they are valuing the bonus without the tax. Technically you could amortize that tax over everyone we sign or every overslot guy we sign if you were comparing bonuses.

          If most teams hit the 5% tax I am assuming the Phillies will not care. Or hoping anyway.

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  140. Our old draft pick “friend” Ryan Garvey got drafted by the Rockies in the 36th round and is going to sign. He dropped out of USC and then ended up at Riverside Community College. Probably lost 500K plus in signing bonuses but not signing with the Phils last year.

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    1. It was said (in paper) that Ryan Garvey attended a post draft workout with Phillies and they chose not to sign him , opting to sign Johnathon Knight instead.

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      1. FWIW, Steve Garvey was a guest on Talking Baseball with Dutch (Darren Daulton and Johnny Marks on 97.5) last week, and he said that after the draft last year Ryan had his heart set on going to college — he said the Phils made a good offer, but Ryan just wanted to go to college. Then after a few months, he realized he made a mistake and wanted to get his baseball career started, so he transferred Riverside Community College, which is more of a baseball training ground than USC, to prepare himself for this year’s draft. I have no idea if any of this is true, but it came from the kid’s dad.

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  142. http://altoonaherald.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120606/SPORTS08/306060060/Phillies-draft-choice-so-vs-No-4-Dallas-Center-Grimes

    Rash, who has committed to playing baseball at Missouri, said he planned to meet with Phillies officials this morning to discuss his future.

    After Wednesday’s loss, he said he hoped to make at least one or two more starts for the Tigers.

    But …

    “Not positive,” Rash said with a smile. “Nothing is 100 percent.”

    After the game, Rash stayed behind and signed autographs for young fans and talked about coming back.

    “I’ve just got to work on overall pitching,” he said. “Get better every day.”

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  143. 36 1118 Charles Galiano Commack HS, NY C

    Now I am not saying he signed, but the picture sure makes you think he has!

    http://www.commack.k12.ny.us/athleticdepartment/index.asp
    NEWS FLASH!!! Commack senior Charles Galiano was drafted by the Philadelphia Phillies!! Charles is a catcher, and led the team in his junior year to the Suffolk County Finals. This year the baseball team took the League I Title! A two-time All County selection, Charles was the 36th round draft pick and already has a full ride from Fordham University!

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    1. If you scroll down the page a bit….I’m pretty sure that’s a picture of Galiano signing his National Letter of Intent for his baseball scholarship to Fordham.

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      1. It’s labeled as such. The guys standing next to him are HS administrators, it seems. If you go up a little higher, it looks like the same guys are standing next to a soccer player signing a letter of intent.

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  148. Brad Wieck
    http://amarillo.com/sports/college-sports/2012-06-12/phillies-draft-san-jac-grad-wieck

    Physically, Wieck said he appears to have bounced back, which attracted the attention of the Phillies. Wieck said he was told by Philadelphia scout Paul Scott he will continue to watch Wieck this summer as he pitches for the Liberal (Kan.) Bee Jays of the Jayhawk Conference in the National Baseball Conference.

    “I’m going to wait until the end of the summer so (the Phillies) can come out and look at me a couple of more times,” Wieck said of the possibility of signing a pro contract. “I’m excited to see what happens.”

    Wieck said if he doesn’t sign with the Phillies, he will likely return to Frank Phillips. With three years of college eligibility remaining, he could opt to wait for a potentially higher position in the draft and a bigger financial compensation that would come with it.

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  149. He may think he’s going to wait until the end of summer, but I thought he only had till the middle of July to sign or not.

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    1. July 13th 5 PM ET is the signing deadline this year. I would give this kid $100K but would not go over given the TJ surgery risk. It might be the best decision for him to go back to school if he does have higher round talent when healthy.

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  150. http://www.thestarpress.com/article/20120614/SPORTS/306140013/Two-locals-sign-pro-baseball-contracts?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFrontpage%20DontMiss

    The Phillies selected Ludy with the 278th overall pick in the eighth-round of the Major League Baseball first-year player draft on June 5. He said he will fly out either late this week or early next for Lakewood, N.J., where he will play for the low-Class A Lakewood BlueClaws of the South Atlantic League.
    Ludy signed Tuesday for a $15,000 bonus. The Phillies organization will then pay him $1,100 a month through the season. The $15,000 signing bonus is about triple what Ludy expected from the Phillies. He spoke to a Toronto Blue Jays scout before the draft and told the scout he would sign for anywhere in the $1,000 to $5,000 range.

    Relatively surprised he’s skipping Williamsport and going directly to Low A.

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    1. Maybe Logan Moore will drop down. He is younger than Ludy anyway who is a pretty polished college senior.

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      1. Logan Moore already dropped down, sometime back. Lakewood’s Catchers are John Hill and Robert Stumpo. I think one of those 2 goes up to be Cameron Rupp’s little used back-up till the end of the season, and Kyle LaFrenz goes out. But I now got 6 C’s listed for the Short Season leagues, so maybe one of them goes down.

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        1. It does not matter how many catchers are down there. The better prospects will play. If Ludy is ready for Lakewood as a polished senior he should go there. If Moore is healthy he is a better prospect than anyone else we drafted this year, so he should play (probably along with Numata).

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          1. it does matter how many Catchers are down there, if they believe they warrant enough playing time to get a reasonable evaluation. And they all will get an opportunity to play at some point. or they wouldn’t sign them up at all.

            The best prospects will play, or the best prospects should play. A couple (?) of years back in the GCL, they had Numata (still around) Angel Chavrin (still around) , Mitchell (?)
            and Francisco Diaz. Who was the best prospect there? They all got a relatively equal number of At Bats, (F. Diaz had the most) and none really developed properly. Looks like you call for Numata to return to GCL for (3rd, is it?) season. That was a really great development plan, he’s just zippin’ right through the system..

            And, if you look way above somewhere. I said Ludy might start at Lakewood, and they sign Carmona to convert to Catcher, and DH while they work him in as a Catcher, if possible. If not, then Carmona can DH till the end of season.

            So, I don’t see where it was written that Ludy should not go to Lakewood.

            Just mentioned that Logan Moore was already in Extended Spring Training (not Lakewood) and had been there for a while. And there a 6 Catchers total I have as there.

            Way I see them line-up as currently constituted:

            Williamsport- Logan Moore, Angel Chavarin, Chad Carman

            GCL- Chace Numata, Kevin Quaranto, Liam Bedford

            and also the possibility of John Hill or Robert Stumpo to XST, maybe both.

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            2. I would submit that out of Numata, Chavarin, Diaz, and Mitchell on that team they really did not have ANY good prospects. That is why the 4 catchers did not matter. If there was a decent prospect or two they would have received the bulk of the at bats,

              Of these catchers the only ones worth paying attention to are the ones with a little upside. That is probably Ludy, Moore, and maybe Numata. If they move Astudillo back there it might also be interesting because he probably does not have the bat or defense to play elsewhere. The other backups are there to catch the pitchers in practice or be older presences on the team (Stumpo for instance). It just does not make them prospects.

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    2. Nice to see they are going to skip the senior, Ludy, to Lakewood. He played in a major conference for 4 years, he may be able to handle it. It also gives Numata a chance to start a Williamsport, and catch some of the same pitchers he’s been working with the last 2 years in Florida. Numata signed when he was 17, and is a converted catcher, so starting at Williamsport would be a big vote of confidence.

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  151. As said earlier above, Baseball America now has Guellar, Pullin, and Ludy highlighted as signed.
    I’m thinking they get all the picks through the 1st 16 rounds signed. That’s a total of 18 players.
    Then you got 4 confirmed Senior Signs ( 20,22,23,24). That’s 22. Then , you likely get the Senior Carver (19). You got information indicating HS’er Andrew Anderson and the progeny Chris Nichols likely to sign . So, you get to 25. Then you have 3 Junior College players and 2 College Juniors left, so maybe they sign. So, you eek out 30 signees under that scenario.
    I don’t think, given the positional array of said players, it will necessitate any releases from Extended Spring Training. From Lakewood , Maybe. Time to start the (Short) Season.
    Course, this will necessitate throwing back the remaining HS guys with visions of Sugar Plums dancing in their heads, and Dollar Signs in their eyes. It is what it is .

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      1. Didn’t say he wasn’t. I had him likely to sign. The sentence was HS’er (that’s one)….Anderson AND ……Chris Nichols. Then, assuming Nichols signed, that would have left 2 College Juniors after Nichols and the others above him I had or projected to sign.

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  152. Chad Carmen 5SR signed, I have the draft tracker on Excel with everything that has been listed in previous years in the draft TAB, I have emailed Gregg so he can post it but for some reason he doesnt get my emails, my email is berger_aj@hotmail.com if someone can help me get it to him email me pls thanks.

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  154. According to his twitter. Alec Rash was at the Twins/Phillies game with his family last night for whatever it’s worth…

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    1. wasn’t saying it was special was just saying for what it’s worth he was at the game and according to the picture looked as though he was on the field so as I said take it for whatever it’s worth.

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    2. It is a long drive to Minneapolis/St. Paul from Iowa so I don’t think it was nothing special. The Phillies did the same thing with Brandon Schull at St. Louis last year and he signed with us.

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      1. speaking of which i cant wait to see Schull maybe another group of baby aces on the way

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  156. The more I read about Cozens the more and more he sounds like Albert Belle.

    If he can duplicate Belle’s baseball ability I can handle the attitude.

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    1. Other than the one coach-punching incident last year, what more have you read? I wasn’t aware of any other issues.

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  160. Baseball America now has Zach Cooper, RHP, as signed.

    Lots of Zachs , no more just “Zach signs” stuff.

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  161. amaze that someone wouldnt care if the guy acted like albert belle> winning to me has to come with some kind of honor, who wants to win with a jerk like a albert belle.

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  166. A lot of colleges rely on heavy usage of starting arms. My Arizona Wildcats had a 130 pitch count on their starter against Fla. St., in Friday’s CWS game. The starter, Kurt Heyer, has the most innings pitched of anybody in the nation and a 12-2 record. The coach has always treated him like he’s Roy Halliday.

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  167. Guys, I am posting a screenshot of a spreadsheet I worked up in a new post. Please let me know if there’s anything you can confirm that I have incorrect or missing. I tried to track articles through this post, and of course, I used BA public information amd whatever else I could find.

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