A catcher for catcher swap, Jason Jaramillo is gone, Ronny Paulino is in. Gotta say, this is a win for the Phillies. Pirates fans looking for info on Jaramillo should start here and here.
A note on Paulino. For his big league career, he’s thrown out 73 baserunners and allowed 165 SB. Defensive stats for catchers are really kind of hard to judge, but 31% CS is respectable. For comparison’s sake, Ruiz has 49 CS and 133 SB allowed, or 27%.
Update #2: If you have season tix at Lehigh Valley, you’ll get a full season of Lou Marson in 2009. I expect lots of pictures submitted. Thanks.
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Paulino has kinda trailed off since his rookie year where he posted a 96 OPS+. Still we traded Jaramillo and got something in return. Gotta figure that Coste is gone now.
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Love the deal. Paulino is a good offensive catcher and will split time with Ruiz in 2009.
Interesting to consider that this might be paving the way for Marson, rather than Coste, to become part of a bigger deal, maybe for Peavy???
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Just to follow-up.
I’ve read several accounts that claim the Padres have asked Peavy to consider waiving his NTC for 4 possible teams, the Cubs, Braves, PHILLIES, and 1 additional unidentified team…
Just maybe Peavy agreed to go to CBP?
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Paulino is not a “good offensive catcher”. Here’s his OPS+ breakdown for the last 3 years
2006: 96
2007: 83
2008: 56
Granted its likely that he’ll bounce back to the 83-96 range but its no guarantee.
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We have zero chance to get Peavy, and I’d hope Marson isn’t traded. I think the org just realized that Jaramillo wasn’t in the plans and they wanted to get something for him. Paulino is arb eligible I think, Pittsburgh is locked in with Doumit, so I assume they just wanted a cheaper backup.
I think as far as Coste goes, this means they could either trade him or use him to pinch hit more, meaning we’d carry 3 catchers. But who knows.
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I think it means we’ll either trade Coste or outright him if we can’t get anything via trade. I could see them using him as a righthanded bat off the bench but he’s so slow and limited position wise (1B and C pretty much) that its kinda a waste of a roster space.
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Paulino is pretty much what we hoped Jaramillo would become, so it’s a good deal from that standpoint. He’s arbitration eligible this year, but he shouldn’t make much more than the minimum. It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Coste now.
3up3kkk: do you have a link for that? The only teams I’ve seen Peavy linked with are the Braves, Cubs, and the Yankees.
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Not sure 118 at-bats in 2008 are much of an indicator so his 57 OPS+ is a bit misleading.
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Philly is on Peavy’s NTC list. He’s not coming here.
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phillyFriar,
I can one of the sources (don’t remember where else I had read it) but it is part of the insider part of the scout.com website. It is part of a winter meetings blog they were running.
http://phillies.scout.com/2/820094.html
For those who don’t have access, the question and response were:
[Comment From D Patrone]
You actually have heard he is considering the Phils?
3:28 Chuck Hixson: From what I’ve heard, the Padres have asked him to consider four teams. The Braves were one, the Cubs another and the Phillies are the third. What I haven’t heard is whether he would come to Philly.
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Actually everyone is on Peavy’s NTC list. So far, he as agreed to waive it for the Braves and Cubs. No reason to believe he can’t be convinced to waive it for other teams as well.
I do agree that the odds are slim.
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I think I speak for everyone when I say welcome back to the comments section PP. Your presence was sorely missed. Kinda like Champ Kind missin Ron Burgundy.
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It gets worser and worser why would anyone want Ronny Paulino to go downhill any faster he would need skis
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lol. Our little ray of sunshine 🙂
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Was Jaramillo on the 40 man?
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Shocking Nowheels brings nothing again. We trade a guy who has no future in Philly, for a legit big leaguer and he finds a way to whine about it.
Paulino was hurt most of this year, and struggled. He went to AAA to finish out the year and ended up with an OPS of .923 there. Oh btw Jaramillo barely squeaked out an OPS of over .700 in the same league this year.
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Joe
Yeah he was on the 40 man all year.
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That’s what I thought. People are theorizing that they did this to avoid him getting taken in the Rule V which made no sense. I was just making sure.
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Perhaps San Diego (via Chicago) wanted a pure catcher with some experience in the deal?
I’d have to think this move is a precursor to something else. Another catch on the 40 man is going to be moved, the question is who.
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does ruiz have any value after his post season perf? What do people think we could get, maybe a solid not great reliever or a young # five? I’d like to see marson if ready and paulino. maybe start marson in AAA and have coste as backup.
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Marky Mark – the Rangers got two pitchers who have never been above AA for Gerald Laird. I’d look to that deal as a rough comparable for Ruiz.
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First off,
I completely agree with James. Peavy is in no way, shape or form coming. In terms of actual prospects, Jamarillo was heading nowhere soon. I think this was a great way for Rube to do something for the system before Marson (or even d’Arnaud – don’t forget that guy) is ready. I think this addresses two important points. One a Ruiz-lite as a backup (helps Chooch’s confidence and solidifies the position – no more decisions who plays based on defecse vs. offense), and the other helps Marson move up to AAA, and if he doesn’t adapt quickly becomes excellent trade bait. I know you guys don’t wanna hear this but we are set in the minors with catchers and Ruiz is not that old. So we have flexibility. I am just glad we no longer use dead-end prospects and let them pile up in AAA. It seems for a while we either had noone useful in AAA or had a bunch tweeners with AAAA talent but no real ceiling. That is not what healthy organizations do. If Rube can keep this going, in two years we will be fine. P.S.: Watch them go for someone ridiculous and sell the whole top 5 in the system for a Zito and make me look like a fool.
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i may be guilty of overvaluing phils prospecta at tmes but i will be very upset if we trade donald, and carasco for derosa. in fact i would be upset if we traded one of those guys let alone both! just sign rivera for 1 year for 3m and keep our top prospects. I do like this trade even though it probably means marson is a year away. It’s probably best but i’m excited to see what this kid can do.
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OK. Todd Zolecki reports that there seems to be no foolish desire by the Ruben Amaro Jr. administation to deal two top prospects for DeRosa. To reiterate, it seems HIGHLY unlikely Happ/Kendrick AND Donald will be traded.
However, Amaro’s work since he came in does pose an interesting question. Is he trading within the minor league prospects to make the system (and thus the future) stronger, or is he thinking about cheaply stocking the major league?
So far he traded two minor leaguers that were showing no “true” progress recently. Is he upgrading talent one prospect at the time, or is there a deeper long-term plan I am not seeing? You would expect the GM’s regine to be defined by quick big-name signings (or their failures), not prospect work…
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When Ruiz takes a day off, he has another just like him to take over. Delaware Online has Ruben saying Marson will spend the majority of year in AAA. Also says Donald and Carrasco are of 2 of our best players. That theory is now regarded as untrue. MLBTR says Philly close to signing Chan Ho Park. Good move all the way around.
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I love the Paulino trade. Very Gillick-esqe there Jr. Who here has any idea what Jake Peavy thinks about at night…..ah wait, let me answer, no-one. Finally, I will jump through this screen and beat somebody if we trade either Happ, Donald, Marson or Carrasco for Mark DeRosa.
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There is word that Amaro is really good friends with Jarmillo and wanted him to have a chance to play at the MLB level so he worked a deal out with PIT. The reason why PIT was ok with this deal is money and Paulino was not happy.
It was apparent that JJ was not going to start in AAA due to Marson and d’Arnaud moving up a level.
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I sure hope we don’t see a whole year of Sweet Lou in LV in 2009…
Given that left-field production is going to take a huge hit, and Marson’s apparent readiness, and Ruiz’s general offensive ineffectiveness, the time seems right for Lou to step in as a platoon player at the least.
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thats a wonderful reason to trade someone although i dont care about jaramillo. amaro scares me,i hope gillick still is in charge. mets need bullpen help so they sign k rod and trade nothing for putz. we need a right handed bat with power and were talking about ibanez.we need a quality starter and were talking about trading happ. i will say this right now money will make peavy go anywhere and its not often you get the chance to sign someone of his character and ability. just imagine him in our staff, everybody has their price. dont insult me by telling me the phillies cannot get him.better yet dont insult yourself.
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John. He has a full no trade clause. He hasn’t expressed interest in coming to Philly. He’d be a great addition to our rotation. But he doesn’t want to play “anywhere”, he only wants to be traded to Chicago. We’d have to empty out the farm system to get him. And he’ll cost 15M+ a year for four years starting in 2010. We have salary coming off the books after 2009, but we also will have more expensive players in Hamels, Utley, Victorino, and possibly Werth and Madson at that point. The Phillies aren’t made of money.
But Peavy isn’t the issue here.
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pp what worries me is that amaro is not the answer here. if peavy wants to come here he will. but im beginning to smell on the cheap ala ed wade and monty again.as far as emtying out our farm system you know i want donald and marson on the roster now. gillicks genius was in finding players by throwing 5 midrange signings and 2 would stick.thats why hes a hof gm. if people want to go crazy with trades i have said many times keep happ sign burrell and put donald and marson on the roster. chicago obviously doesnt have the players to get peavy. the phillies have the cash but you and i both being cheap doesnt mean having 130 mil payroll it means refusing to pay MARKET price. if the phillies want to keep winning they have to pay howard and hamels based on market not what they deem it SHOULD be . ” if wishes had wings than dreamers would fly”.
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John, it seems to me like your entire argument is based on two premices. Your first idea is that the Phillies should simply throw cash around at all of their problems. First, this simply does not work, even if a team had unlimited resources (which, last time I checked, the Phillies do not). I think it has been proven time and time again that the best way to sustain success at the major league level is through the farm system. I point to the Braves and Yankees of the 90’s and the current Red Sox regime as examples. Your second argument, it seems, is that you believe anything can happen if you want it really really badly. This is also not true, obviously, as I am still not dating Jessica Alba or Scarlet Johannson. As for your comments on Peavy, I do not understand what your thinking is. You say, “if peavy wants to come here he will.” The problem is, as PP has stated many times, that Peavy does not in fact want to come here. But instead of blaming Peavy (even though this isn’t something that Peavy should receive blame for) you place the blame on Amaro and the cheap Phillies’ owners. It seems to be pretty cut and dry, what don’t you understand?
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caz im not advocating the phillies become the yanks, if you read my post my number one point is that marson and donald are mlb. ready there is nothing to be gained by the black hole aaa, except SAVING MONEY. that is my #1. #2 they are not going after peavy because the only way to sign him would be to renegociate his contract. this they will not do because then they will have to pay howard 25 mil and hamels. as far as not blaming peavy its not up to him all things being equal. the phillies are the ones who have to make an offer he cannot refuse. and they do have the money. they just made 200 mil.for winning the ws. and i thought i nad a shot at jessica alba. in my dreams.
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Bergeraj Says
There is word that Amaro is really good friends with Jarmillo and wanted him to have a chance to play at the MLB level so he worked a deal out with PIT.
On what planet does a guy who cant compete with a powder puff hitter like Ruiz get an time in back of Ryan Doumit
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Where does all this “money for Peavy” Come from? Peavy is under a good contract for the next 4 years. He is being traded. To give him extra on top of what he gets would be foolish.
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You know what, this might just be a honeymoon for Rube, but I like the way he does business. So far. Paulino is a good pickup, and I liked the Golson trade. I also like Park, assuming he is working mostly out of the pen.
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To me it sounds like a good trade. We know what we had in Jarmillo, and it wasn’t enough to promote him to the bigs before Marson. Paulino has a higher upside than Jarmillo, but maybe a little more risk due to attitude. If Paulino pans out, great we get a really servicable guy we can use for awhile and then trade for more pieces. If he doesn’t work out we’ll just bring up Marson a little earlier.
Amaro Jr. 2 for 2 in my book….I really like that he’s taking it to this level when evaluating the franchise. A lot of GM’s are just looking for the big splash. They’re worried about their jobs, and their image. I think Ruben knows that management has his back and that this is his job for a while and that he can really sit down and think about the long term for this team….and do the little things that add up. This is actually getting me excited for the rule 5 as well!
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John From Philly.ne – do you send these posts by text message? They are harder than all living hell to read.
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I like this trade as well, but there is no doubt a catcher will be sent packing. The only question is who.
Marson/Coste/Ruiz/Paulino
I think Marson is ticketed for AAA as someone has mentioned. Ruiz is definately staying, meaning Coste or Paulino are gone. I’m thinking Coste.
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I wish all the best to Jaramillo. I’ve always liked him more than most (maybe all) on this board. I hope he gets a chance to play and prove himself. PIT is a good place for him. He’ll be a backup but he’ll get to play in 70 games unless the starter gets dinged. There’s not much pressure. No one expects the Bucs to go anywhere. It’s basically a AAA team playing Major League teams.
I like the Paulino trade because I’d like to see Marson play everyday. He won’t do that in Philly (this year). AAA will give him full time play.
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@ctch22: lol
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A little off topic, but anyone have any intel on the prospects the Mets gave up to land Putz from the Mariners?
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Yep. A turd sandwich named Endy Chavez and an OK first basemen named Mike Carp.
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the mets gave up j.smith, chavez,hielman,and mike carp with 2 guys i dont know. this kid parrish from balt. looks interesting. if they get him cheap a good deal. next time ill write in sanscrit.
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It may still not be easier to understand (sorry, you set yourself up for that one).
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i guess i did. im going to check out this parrish. he looks nasty.
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checked out parrish. older 31 k to bb ratio even better era from pen.
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Solid trade for Amaro. Paulino is better than Jaramillo, although I’m not sure that he’s better than Coste.
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Dont forget that the Marlins had interest in Paulino before the phillies got him. Maybe package him with a mid-tier minor leaguer (savary, cuz im not a big fan of him) for Hermida. Just a thought.
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Hermida is a Lefty, we don’t need another lefty. I think we need Ty Wigginton and the Astros do need catching and pitching.
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Since I don’t see another weekly Trade Rumors thread up perhaps this can undergo that alteration.
Towers (SD) says Peavy trade is dead. So alot will now have to search for a new thing to “complain” about for a few days, it looks like at this point.
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P.S. Nick Punto re-signed with Twins at $4,25 million a year. It was a 2 year deal. So it llooks like some won’t have Punto or Derosa to kick around, either. One by one some’s personal bogeys fall by the wayside.
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welcome back james
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Its still the same week, so its still the same post.
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This years Punto might be worth th at kind of money but 2007
not. Glad to see Slayden is still a Phil . He and Berry are my spring surprise player ,Savery also
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Okay, but now that is has bounced back to the 2nd page you have to somebody would actually look back there.
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I like this trade solely because Jaramillo is a good guy and I’m glad to see him get to go somewhere where he can play. He would have been a perfectly reasonable back-up if we hadn’t been stocked with catchers. Best of luck to him.
I’m not totally enamored with Paulino, I hope they have some sort of trade in mind for him.
And this is inappropriate to post here, but I think if Amaro got Park signed then he would be 3/3…… even though Park’s eyes are wayyyy too close together and it gives me nightmares.
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If there is a manager on this planet that can get Paulino to play up to his potential, it’s Charlie. He may not be great at in-game decisions, but he gets the most out of his guys. I really like this move, although it probably means the end of the Coste era.
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In the long run Jaramillo will be a better player then Paulino. More athletic, switch hitter, solid defense. It does open up the system for the likes of Marson, D’Arnaud, Valle, and Naughton, which is one of the reasons the trade was made.. Coste, how about a coach somewhere in the system.
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Airborneranger Said:
“In the long run Jaramillo will be a better player then Paulino. More athletic, switch hitter, solid defense. It does open up the system for the likes of Marson, D’Arnaud, Valle, and Naughton, which is one of the reasons the trade was made.. Coste, how about a coach somewhere in the system.”
That makes a lot of sense. I had Marson pegged to start MLB this season, he is ready. I’m sure he will move up at some point in 2009 and hope he tears it up in AAA and all the young catcher prospects move up a rung.
Definately D’Arnaud and I think Naughton ready to be tested at the next Minors Level.
It would be very interesting to see both D’Arnaud and Naughton Platoon on the same team by end of 2009 ??
Make them room together on away trips also 😉
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Airborne, I’m wondering why you think Jaramillo will be a better player?
He looks more like a AAAA player than anything else. He hasn’t had an OPS over 711 since low A ball.
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For one think Paulino reminds me of another catcher we thought might be the answer, Rod something or was it Sal something. A couple of questions, is Paulino a vast improvement over Coste for the backup slot? I don’t think so. Will Paulino be in Philadelphia beyond this season? I doubt it. So what’s the point of the trade? Trading any position player for someone at the same position just doesn’t make sense. I didn’t think the Golson-Mayberry trade made much sense either. Who’s determined that Golson couldn’t become a 20 to 25 hr hitter. I think he will someday.
As for Jaramillo being better then Paulino. Well Jaramillo has shown marked improve in pitch recognition as his walks to plate appearance has improve steadly since being signed. A sign he has an idea what he’s doing each at bat. His strike out totals are also very good and indicate good plate discipline. Jaramillo has a cannon for an arm which sometimes lacks accuracy, is very good at boxing pitches, and keeping the ball in front of him. Most of all him being a switch hitter is a plus that affords a team to use him in many more situations.
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Paulino is a stop gay most likely until next year when Marson is ready. And yes Paulino is an improvement on Coste, he breaks down after the first few months of solid hitting. If you don’t believe me check Coste’s Post All star splits the past two seasons. He becomes useless, because his defense and game calling aren’t very good. Love the guy, but Paulino is an upgrade.
Also Jarmaillo’s walks were down and strike outs up this year, while finishing with the exact same OPS of .711 while repeating AAA. I can’t find Jaramillo’s CS% from this year, but he had 16 errors this year, which is pretty brutal for a guy who needs + defense to be a productive big leaguer. I just don’t see much reason to believe he has anymore upside.
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I should clarify, Paulino should be an upgrade if he plays to a reasonable level that is expected out of him. I don’t think a .275/.335/.385 ish hitter is too much to ask from him. I expect Ruiz to have a better year, maybe that’s just wishful thinking though.
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I don’t see this Jaramillo is a better athlete than Paulino stuff. That’s about as far off as it gets. Paulino may not always get results as far as stats go, Talent wise he’s got it all. As opposed to what?, a player who waits on walks/ who only is around a .250 type hitter when playing near every day in the minors, but who supposedly will do better as part-timer in MLB? What of a switch-hitter who is not that proficient from either side. Better to use a proficient hitter left-on-left or right-on-right.
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Oh yeah, the errors part, too. What? 18? That would seem a defensive question mark.
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Yeah I don’t see Jaramillo being better the Paulino at all.
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Paulino is an upgrade over Coste simply because Coste is a bad defensive catcher.
As far as the Jaramillo/Paulino comparison, Jaramillo has only had 1 minor league season comparible to Paulino’s rookie season in the majors, and that was in the Sally league 4 years ago so that tells me that Paulino has more ability.
Now if the Phillies get the same lazy guy the Pirates had last year, then Jaramillo will certainly be better in the long run.
Either way, both Paulino/Jaramillo were going to be stop-gaps until Marson takes over anyway.
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When a guy is 6’2″, 245lbs that might indicate a bit of a weight issue. I watched some video of Paulino. It appears he has a slow stroke and was easily fooled. His hits were going to right field with not much authority. Defensively he looked very average.
I’m not against Jaramillo going somewhere else because I think in the long run Marson and D’Arnuad are the future. But for another catcher seem pointless. If Coste isn’t going to be part of the team or envolved in some trade why is he taking up a spot on the 40 man? A lot of mixed message around the catching position.
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What do Aramis Ramirez, Ollie Perez, Ronny Paulino, and countless others have in common? All sold away low for nothing by the laughing stock/ embarrassment Pirates. I ‘d love this trade if it did not block Marson more, I believe he is ready now.
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