2021 Discussion in Preparation for the Amateur Draft – November 18, 2021

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45 thoughts on “2021 Discussion in Preparation for the Amateur Draft – November 18, 2021

  1. I feel the need to open the initial draft thread of the season with an impassioned plea for Rob Manfred to do what every other normal sports league on the planet does: ALLOW THE TRADING OF DRAFT PICKS, FOR GOD’S SAKE! Why does MLB want to be soooo conservative? I gotta’ admit I used to be a pretty conservative baseball fan, myself. However, I enjoyed the DH this year. I even became fond of the “start a runner at second base” in extra innings rule (though I think Romus’ plan to play a normal 10th inning before implementing that regulation might be a better option).
    Not to get off track … more fans would tune in (and TV ratings rule the world!) if your favorite team could make a splash on draft night. The draft is held before the trade deadline so there’s no reason why the Phillies couldn’t maybe trade (something like) Francisco Morales, JoJo Romero, and the 13th pick to the Rangers for the 1-2 pick (where the Phillies could select Jaden Hill, Jack Leiter, or Jordan Lawlar).

    1. I would like to see baseball end the penalties for signing certain free agents. Really the only sport left that makes a team forfeit picks if they sign certain tiers of free agents.

  2. I am all for that, Hinkie! And I thought I would hate the extra inning rule, but it turned out just the opposite. I would keep that or Romus’ modification and get rid of the 3 batter rule for Relievers. I would love it if we could add pick swaps to our Hot Stove talk. It would bring a ton of more interest in the draft and therefore, the sport of baseball.

  3. Has there been any early reporting on the strength of the international prospect pool in the upcoming session? Are players already being linked to teams?

  4. Thought I would hate the DH, but I really liked it. Didn’t like the extra innings rule, but I loved it, (the Romus modification would work too). Really like the idea of being able to trade draft picks! All this from someone who saw their first game at Connie Mack in 1954 (Roberts vs Erskin)…..I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.

    1. God bless you Dave 1954, wow, i thought romus was the oldest on here, I hate the extra inning rule, that isnt baseball, stupid idea, i could live with the D,H but not the three batter rule and extra inning rule, That isnt baseball, its all about letting the new era not go the extra mile, like a 18 inning game once in a while, or using three pitchers to get out of a jam, this isnt the baseball i grew up watching, And fell in love with,

      1. rocco…….how’s this…ilo of starting an extra inning game with a runner at second, have the runner start at first. Makes the manage think a little more into what strategy he can employ.
        A few studies were conducted covering a few years…..whenever the lead-off hitter got to first base via walk or single…he came around to score between 38% and 40% of the time.
        Any better?

        1. Romus I believe in earning your way on base, Work the count and walk, bunt, hit Or the Ron Hunt way hit by pitch anyway to get on, not put on base cause fans dont want to see extra innings, its baseball,

          1. rocco….I think they will do that when teams are in the play-offs, but regular season they want to limit those long extra inning games….wears out pitchers and players.
            Plus the commissioner wants faster and shorter games.

            1. Romus i thought of all people, you would love to see the game like it was back when you first, when to a game and saw Lou Gehrig, like you told me how good he was,

      2. Agree about the three batter rule but something has to speed the game up a bit. Maybe if after every pitch batters didn’t have to adjust their entire wardrobe, look to the sky, dig in and then call for time to check out the girl walking up the aisle……

  5. Brian Barber hunted for high ceiling prospects in his first go-round (this June) as Phillies Amateur Scouting Director. If he’s allowed to continue to be a risk seeker, the Phillies could choose another prep player at 1-13.

    Here’s a kid from near me (Somers Point) who could be a possibility. I’ve posted about him in the past. In case you’ve missed it … Chase Petty is a RH power arm at Mainland Regional HS. He’s 6’1″, 190 lbs and at 17 YO already throws upper 90’s (has hit 100), and features a swing and miss SL.

      1. Here’s the other Florida Gator commit who will be in play at 1-13 for the Phillies.
        Andrew Painter is a tall (6’7″) projectable RHP who’s been starring on the showcase circuit for the last two summers. He’s going to be picked in the first round next July.

        1. yeah…still early, and almost every draft there seems to be a team that does a surprise pick early on, and the ripple effect then means a very attractive player begin to drop…like Abel did this year for the Phillies.

            1. Yes….Stott also, forgot all about him…I think he was ranked 9th by MLB.com’s Mayo/Callis prior to the draft

            2. There are always a team or two who decide to pick someone under slot to snag in the later rounds they have to go overslot with. I feel with your first round pick you should always aim for a potential blue chip prospect and do overslot/underslot picks later in draft

            3. Both Brendan Shewmake and Michael Toglia were taken right after Stott… I’ll be very interested to see how all three progress next season. Toglia was especially good his first year…

      1. Eureka Hinkie……I could not get what the heck that was all about.
        Very good.

        The irony of it all is…Petty wears #3.

  6. Jim –

    Today’s Brookover column mentioned 16 undrafted signees after the abbreviated 5 round draft. Do you have the full list ? The only list i’ve seen was BA’s list of 12 (below).

    Philadelphia Phillies

    Chase Antle, RHP, Coastal Carolina | No. 13 on top undrafted seniors list
    Blake Brown, RHP, UNC Asheville | Link | Scouting Report (No. 375 on BA 500)
    Buddy Hayward, RHP, Harvard | Link | Scouting Report (No. 346 on BA 500)
    Jonathan Hughes, RHP, Georgia Tech | Link | No. 19 on top undrafted seniors list
    Jake McKenna, LHP, Ocean City (N.J.) HS | Scouting Report (No. 434 on BA 500)
    Corey Phelan, LHP, Harborfields HS, Greenlawn, NY.
    Noah Skirrow, RHP, Liberty | Scouting Report (No. 249 on BA 500)
    Billy Sullivan, RHP, Delaware | Scouting Report (No. 326 on BA 500)
    Jordan Fowler, LHP, Central Missouri
    Sam Jacobsak, RHP, Northeastern
    J.P. Woodward, LHP, Lafayette
    Braden Zarbnisky, RHP, West Virginia

    1. It’s not unusual for a features writer or even a beat writer to print something that is wrong. Especially about the minor leagues which they don’t follow as closely as others. I’ll check with my contacts, but think he might have made a mistake 12 NDFA + 4 drafted = 16. There were no names on the Instructs list nor on jerseys with names that I didn’t recognize at Instructs.

  7. Romus –

    Thanks for the suggestion. I looked, but i don’t see all 12 listed above in there, much less the 16. Am i missing something ?

    1. Yeah. A friend read the article. And relayed to me that Brookover stated 16 newly signed prospects were at the Complex. He counted the drafted with the undrafted, My records are correct and up to date. By the way, Brookover was wrong. All 16 newly signed prospects were NOT in Clearwater.

  8. Scott……in one of the threads back in June/July …Jim listed all the UDFA signed.
    You may have to go into “The Archive” section on the right sidebar and go to those months and see what date he listed them…..it was a week or two after the actual draft this year which I believe was on June 11th.

    And he also listed them in his spread sheet….which has vuirtually on the information on them except their scouting reports

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wynjxijvmpgg0bJbK7hQzlc7FMDkXc7qF6sWJjyj1Jw/edit#gid=0

    1. Scott…those 12 UDFA plus the 4 drafted does total 16.
      Bpb Brookover could have got his numbers mixed…..which probably is not the first time.

  9. Last week, I posted video of Mainland Regional’s Chase Petty (above). Here’s the other South Jersey prep pitcher who could be a possibility for the Phillies. Anthony Solometo is a “lefty” from Bishop Eustace. I had believed he would be a second rounder, but there is now thought that he could be a first rounder after an impressive tour on the summer circuit. Take a look. He’s getting some Mackenzie Gore comps. Impressive stuff.

        1. That is a very real possibility ….teams kike those big throwing LHPs.
          Read where he is working out religiously in the gym (5/6 days a week) and is up to 210 lbs of muscle…so he is dedicated for sure.

  10. Here is one of the highest octane arms for the 2021 draft. On talent alone, there is no way Jaden Hill will be available at 1-13. However, I’m not completely ruling out the LSU RHP because of health risks, and pedestrian spin rates (that could turn off some analytically driven clubs). The 6’4″, 215 lb hurler has only thrown 21.2 IP during his first two seasons in Baton Rouge because of a forearm strain. He also carries a screw in his shoulder from a HS football clavicle injury. Nonetheless, Hill has maybe the best four pitch mix in college baseball,

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