Open Discussion: Week of February 9th

Threw this together real quick when I realized no one else had posted this weekend.

Hamels is still a Phillie.  This is not a bad thing.  While it would be nice to pick up some top prospects, the fact he is still a Phillie means other teams are not offering a fair return.  This is not Amaro’s fault.  It is a case of other GMs trying to make the best deal for their teams.  If we can’t get a “sure thing” prospect in return, there’s no sense settling for a couple of lesser than sure things.  The worse case scenario (other than an injury) is Hamels helps bridge the years until the next playoff team, much the same as 1972 Steve Carlton held the pitching staff together until 1976.   It is not Amaro’s job to provide an ace to a division contender at a bargain price.  The price should hurt a little bit.  He should hold out for the value he thinks he’s worth or keep him.  And we’ll watch teams try to win with Buchholz and Porcello, for example,  as their 1-2.  Haha.

Papelbon, different story.  We really can’t and don’t expect a bonanza in return.  If he insists on his option being guaranteed, keep him and start using him in 4, 5, and 6 out save situations (as well as all the other suggestions I’ve seen).  We all know he loses effectiveness after 20+ pitches.  When his option doesn’t vest, we’re free of him.  He’ll only cost $13M that way.  He starts to get too expensive if we have to pay a big chunk of this year’s salary AND a big portion of the option year.  Gets to a point where he is too expensive to trade.  Oh, and it wouldn’t be the first time that an option or bonus was missed because of management.  I’m sure there are many examples.  One recent bonus avoidance, albeit for a lot less money, was Delmon Young who was released days (19) and plate appearances (9) before $250K in bonuses would have kicked in.  Not to mention the weigh ins.

Then there’s Howard.  I wonder if Amaro called Dave Dombrowski to offer his condolences after the announced surgery for Victor Martinez.  V-mart is a switch hitter, offer Howard AND Ruf?

Pitchers and catchers report to Clearwater on February 18th; first workout on the 19th. If you come to Clearwater, look me up and say hi.

101 thoughts on “Open Discussion: Week of February 9th

  1. I agree with you completely on Hamels. I know we have spent a lot of time discussing what he would get, and I think most of us are convinced of LarryM’s argument that some of us were a little too optimistic on the return. But we all, I think, agree that there should be a “sure” prospect in return, someone who would start on a Contending team and have an All-Star ceiling plus a #3 starter. I think it has been clear that an offer like that has not been made. The Dodgers and Cubs and Red Sox may find themselves in a pennant race and be more aggressive in July. Otherwise, we keep him.

  2. Don’t see a Red Sox trade happening unless/until they change their minds on Swihart. If they do I think the rest of the package falls into place.

    And let’s face it. If they do make him available they’ll have other options besides Hamels

      1. This is where I totally disagree. Seihart is a good defensive prospect, has some power potential. My question is this, if seihart turns into a Ruiz type, you think and that is his most likely side, he is worth hamels? I wouldn’t trade hamels for a good fielding catcher who might hit .Look at all the great prospects we moved, so far who is a star? need two good prospects at least for hamels. and if no one is willing to pay so be it. Hamels is still great to watch, and getting a good defensive catcher isn’t going to move us along any faster, you can find them in the minors.

        1. I think you are undervaluing Swihart a bit. In addition to the defense he’s coming off a year where he put up an OPs over .800 and a WRC+ of 131 as a 22 year old in AA. The power is still developing obviously but there is a reason he is a consensus top 20 prospect.

          1. I would add that, if he did become a Ruiz type player (his ceiling is higher), that would be a fine return.

            1. Well larry I would trade you a ruiz anyday of the week for a ace lefthand pitcher. Lets just say we have different opinion on value.

            2. Roccom, in a way you’re correct about a “different opinion on value” – but not in the way that you think. The problem is that you are artificially limiting yourself to only a portion of what EVERY major league organization quite properly considers when they are talking about value:

              (1) Salary – it matters. A Ruiz type talent for the pre-free agency years, versus a Hamels type talent with a market rate (at least in terms of AAV) post FA contract is AT LEAST closer in value than you are allowing.
              (2) Risk – it’s not that you ignore it entirely, you just consider it on only one side of the transaction (i.e., the prospect). Hamels is far from guaranteed to be an ace for the remainder of his contract. That isn’t unique to him; it’s true of every player, but particularly every starting pitcher.
              (3) Team contention cycle – MOST of Hamel’s value will be wasted in years of non contention. Now, he still has SOME value for the Phillies in non-contending years – that’s why you DO need a top prospect (such as Swihart) in return – but much less so.

  3. Also a very good point. Price, Zimmerman, Fister Samardzija, will also be available. But, if my choice is Bradley, and Barnes, I would rather keep Hamels.

  4. The big issue with trading anyone on the roster is that they Phillies don’t need to make a trade simply to cut payroll. They should only trade a player if it returns something of value or if its done to clear a spot for a younger player to get experience.

    I know that I disagree with many in this regard when it come to Ryan Howard, where eating most of his salary to get nothing back in return makes little sense. He’s not blocking anyone (I don’t look at Darin Ruf as a player being blocked) at the position. If they can’t find anyone willing to either eat a major chunk of his $$$ OR give up a decent prospect in return, play him and hope for some kind of resurgence that helps increase his value.

    Papelbon is a trickier subject because I would start giving Giles save opportunities whether Papelbon remains with the team or not. It would obviously be easier if Papelbon was gone.

    As for Hamels, I don’t trade him unless the return is significant.

    1. With regard to Paplebon, his option vests if he finishes 55 games or a combined 100 between last year and this year. That means he needs 48 this year. He has never been less than 49, but has never been on a 90-100 loss team. So, does anyone think he doesn’t get to 48?

      1. If the Phillies are smart and Papelbon remains with the team, they make sure he doesn’t vest. Start working Giles into the closer role and Papelbon out of it. Maybe if Paps sees the writing on the wall he’ll be more inclined to waive his no trade.

      2. I think Pap will get 48 appearances. Behind Hamels and Lee our rotation doesn’t really have any guys that can consistently throw 7+ innings. There will be a lot of innings for the pen to eat up and we can’t just run Giles and Diekman into the ground.

        If Hamels or Lee does get moved that only creates more innings for the bullpen to pitch. Even if a guy like Nola or Lively gets called up, I would think they’d be somewhat limited on how many innings they pitch over the course of the year.

        IMO if the Phillies are planning on preventing Pap from reaching his 48 appearances they should just trade him. I say this because I don’t think there is any way he doesn’t get 48 appearances without over using other guys in the pen. To me its not worth risking a young pitcher’s arm just to save a year and some cash on Paps deal.

        1. It’s not about appearances for Pap, it’s how many games he finishes, correct? As someone else has astutely noted, the Phillies could (and probably should) gradually reverse roles for Pap and Giles. That way Pap’s option won’t vest, he gets the hint, and is more agreeable to a trade. He’ll be pissed, but so be it. And there’s no undue concern about “risking a young pitcher’s arm.”

          Any glaring flaws with this approach?

          1. If you’re taking Pap out as a closer because you don’t want his option to vest, then the players union will file a grievance and the Phillies will lose. Best case, he stinks and he’s replaced by Giles and his option doesn’t vest.

            1. It was also suggested to ask him to do more than 3-out saves so he’ll fail – which by the way is hardly a winning attitude.

      3. Finishing a game vs save situation are different.
        Maybe I am wrong on this, but Papelbon can still reach his magic vesting number without being in a save opportunity …in fact he did last year on a few occasions when the team had more then 4 run leads.

        1. Finishing the game is what counts. However, they have been very reluctant to use him in non-save situations. If they continue to do that, how many save situations will he have? 40?

    2. We essentially agree. The only thing I would add is that, as soon as Giles establishes himself as a top reliever, I would dangle him for a top prospect.

  5. I totally agree 3up . Just getting prospects who don’t project as having start potential for a ace is nuts to me. I want a good return, or no deal. What hurts a franchise more. paying 30 million for 7 years for a pitcher who could flop or trading two prospects who might be good? What set back a franchise more is my question. in our case it was over paying for players.

  6. I don’t expect Detroit to be in on Howard since V. Martinez is not expected to be out long and the Tigers are more in need of right handed bats. I’m not sure what adding Ruf as well offers in value to the Tigers. I really don’t know what the Phils could offer other than money to make the Howard contract problem go away. A lot of money.

    I would not be surprised if the Phils were done with deals and that what they have now is what they’ll take into camp. The modest Shields contract signals a soft late off-season market for high end starting pitching. My hunch is that Hamels remains in candy stripes on opening day.

    Papelbon could still be moved but with Rodriguez and Soriano unsigned, the timing for getting an acceptable return is wrong. I can’t see the Phils using Papelbon for more than an inning using any justification but I think he’ll be on the trading bloc from Day 1.

    The move I’d like to see in spring training is Ben Revere in LF and Sizemore in center. Revere has the arm of Juan Pierre, which is to say manageable only in left. Danks, if he has a use, would be as a late inning defensive replacement for either Revere or Sizemore. .

  7. I don’t necessarily view James Shields as a high-end starting pitcher. I live in KC, and he was, by far, the worst starting pitcher down the stretch and into the playoffs. I think he’s now a solid #3 innings eater, but shouldn’t be headlining a staff. He also has a ton of mileage on his arm and is 33.

    He had pretty good statistics last year, but also pitched in front of a great defense. His strike outs per 9 innings have also been sliding:

    2012: 8.8
    2013: 7.7
    2014: 7.1

    As a relocated Phillies fan I’ve been trying to tell anyone who will listen that Cole Hamels and James Shields aren’t in the same tier. I don’t think it’s very close, either.

  8. Andrew, in an era where there are not a lot of elite starters coming onto the FA market, guys like Shields fit the definition of ‘high end’ (my original term), if not elite, behind only Scherzer and Lester this off-season. I think Hamels is elite but on some sites his mediocre lifetime performance against AL teams cause some to question that, particularly Bosox fans. I would not be surprised to see Shields perform well in San Diego.

    Be that as it may, a bidding war has not erupted over Hamels. This is the season for hotstove discussion and trade speculation will continue but I think Hamels remains in Philly till the trade deadline and I’m content with that. There is something to be said about letting the market come to you and aggressive efforts to dump salary at this point I think will bring disappointing results.

    1. New GM AJj Preller has come on like shot out of a cannon with the Padres, from the Ranger org, and he still could make a play for Hamels.
      He could entice Cashner into the mix along with prospects. Rumor had it that Ruben likes Andrew cashner, though I would avoid him due to past injury concern on his shoulder.
      But Preller could see Hamels as the lefty they would need to complete their rotation abd go head-to-head against the Dodgers and Giants..

      1. Preller should want Hamels. The Phillies should not want Cashner. Even if his arm holds together, both of the years for which he is under contract will be non-competitive years for us, so he will add exactly nothing for us. If Preller wants to move Cashner as part of a Hamels deal, it will have to be a 3-way. We should not be trading for major leaguers with just two years left on their contracts and a suspect wing. That makes zero sense for the Phillies.

        1. Not entirely.
          Ruben in all his savvy, may be inclined to take Cashner off Preller’s hands, as long as Hedges , Wisler and Renfroe all come in the same deal.
          Then that could be a sizable catch.

      2. Why would Amaro covet Cashner as the centerpiece of a trade for Hamels? Yeah, Cashner has been good the last 2 years, but he is under control for only 2 more seasons, when the Phillies are going to stink anyway. And his home/road splits suggest that a good part of his success is due to pitching at Petco.

        Am I missing something?

          1. Cueto is a better pitcher, but he’s not a lot better. They may get more for him than the Phillies get for Hamels, but, especially with a midseason trade, Hamels is the perfect high-upside moderate risk acquistion – 3 1/2 years at a slightly below market rate – there is no other experienced in-prime pitcher in the marketplace over whom an acquring team would have that level of control combined with controlled risk, let alone relevant postseason experience. If he pitches this year as he has over the last few years, I think the market for Hamels will heat up in a big way come June.

          2. Hamels being a lefty, may have more attractiveness to complete a rotation then Cueto.
            In all baseball, Hamels has to be in the top 5 of lefty pitchers. Whereas Cueto is probably a little lower in regards to right-handed starters.
            San Diego is primarily right-handed dominant rotation, I am sure they would prefer Hamels to add to their staff then Cueto right now.

  9. I like Andrew live in the Kansas City area and followed James Shields closely last year. By the end of the season I was just hoping he could make it through 5 innings before the Royals relief had to come in. I also agree with him, discounting the definition of what a high end pitcher might be, that he is now not a number 1 guy but mostly likely a 2nd or 3rd in a starting rotation.

    1. You may have been on the edge of your seat watching him, but Shields’ stats for the last three months of the season were actually excellent. Shields’ not so good months were May and June. He also pitched a lot better on the road than he did at home. I don’t know what games you watched, but the game logs simply don’t agree with your memory. In August and September, far from struggling to finish 5 IP, Shields had exactly zero starts in which he failed to pitch at least 6 innings. In 7 of his 11 starts during those months, he pitched 7 or more innings, including two 8 inning games and one complete game. In those starts, he got bombed once — giving up 6 ER. In the other 10 starts he gave up 3 or fewer ER, including 3 starts in which he gave up no runs at all. Seems to have been no real reason for all your worries.

      1. You are absolutely correct when you look at the stats. Maybe most of my recollection is how poorly he pitched in the playoffs in which he looked far from being an elite pitcher. He had an era of 5,85 and averaged 5 innings per game over 4 games. Unfortunately, that is how I remember James Shields although I do appreciate his contribution during the season.

  10. In the June Rule 4, the Phillies get the 10th pick in the first round.
    With the comps and supplementals. is their 2nd round pick number 52?

  11. I Think this is a really great offseason for a couple of reason. First in two or three years we will see if overpaying for starters is the way to go, over giving up prospects for proven aces. example. shields got too much. you could have had hamels for a little more over four years. less two prospects. the nats way overpaid for a starter. if I am right its like one fifth of there budget for seven years. for one player. Boston refusing to give up a top prospects instead signed lesser players. hoping to catch lighting in a bottle. We will know soon what is the right way to build a team. interesting to me.

  12. I am a Phillies fan, so I will be rooting for the Red Sox to be in desperate need for an Ace. I will be rooting for the Dodgers to feel Cole Hamels puts them in the favorite spot for the WS. I hope the Giants have a huge need for another SP. I want significant pieces for Hamels so this rebuild, maybe, is a year or 2 shorter than what I feel it will be. I don’t know what the Angels farm system is like, I believe it is not very good, but they have an owner who is looking to win now, so the more the merrier.

    1. Looks like the bulk of all the West Coast teams …NL and AL are in it to win now.
      Still think Preller will want a lefty for his rotation to pair with Shields.

    2. After reading all the nonsense about how the Phillies have to trade Cole Hamels to Boston this off season I hope they finish last or in the bottom half of the AL East.

    1. Why is the Phillies draft slot dollars less than Cinncinati’s when we both teams had the record and we draft before them?

  13. Well according to mlb . The padres did make a offer for Hamels, before signing shield. The Phillies don’t like the padres prospect s it seems. Rather deal with boston for betts or the catcher. Ruben is holding his ground so far. interesting.

    1. I wonder what the “aggressive offer” the Padres made for Hamels was. The Padres farm would really take a hit if they landed Hamels because they don’t have a prospect that really stands out to make the center piece. Hedges and Wisler both had down years this season and Hedges bat is a big question mark.’s updated top 100 list changed Hedges scouting grades as followed:

      Hit 2014: 50
      Hit 2015: 45

      Power 2014: 50
      Power 2015: 40

      Overall 2014: 60
      Overall 2015: 55

      Hedges is only 22 so there is time for his bat to develop as he gets older, but if it doesn’t he will just be a very good defensive catcher. We are not really in the position to trade our best player for a catcher whose bat is trending the wrong way.

      All we can hope is that a team steps up in ST or at the deadline and wows us with an offer because it is very clear that Ruben is not willing to budge on Hamels.

  14. random thought. As crackpot as it sounds, if a team like the padres signed moncada, and they flipped him to the Phillies as part of a trade for Hamels who included the total money the padres paid for him, would the Phillies therefore avoid the international signing penalty?

    1. Very good question.
      IMO, yes. The Pads incur the penalty as the original signing team. The Phillies fork over the money to the Pads who do not see any monies lost and everyone gets the players they want.
      Brilliant idea!
      is this John Middleton trying to skirt the system?

      1. haha sorry that was me from work… I might have been delirious from a 24 hr shift, but it made sense to me. I wonder if that’s actually been explored.

  15. I’m sorry guys. keeps writing Moncada articles, and I keep reading them, fueling the fire.

    But good God, Carlos Correa, a SS, has a 70 hit tool and 65 power?

    1. Having already opined that Hamels will not get traded till mid-season if at all, I wondered if the Phils might unstick the Red Sox from Swihart in a package that might include Devers, Johnson and Coyle — or something comparable — by adding DeFratus. I would view the loss of DeFratus as the cost of really doing a substantial makeover pointing towards 2016 and beyond. To cover this year, the team could sign Soriano and Beachy on 1-year deals. Beachy would stay in FL for extended spring training and could be ready by late May. Soriano helps fill out the back of the pen and awaits the trade of Papelbon. The result is definitely a worse team this year but positioned,with a better stocked system and some freed-up salary to be active next off-season and on its way back to contention as early as 2017.

      1. The Phillies have no need for additional pitching. The AAA and AA rotations are more than solid.

        What the Phillies need are position prospects and that is what Amaro will get in return.

        The Phillies have no need to trade the young bullpen arms or get pitching back in return.

      1. And there are more from where that came from.
        There must be hundreds of 16-year olds that the Yankees/Sox/Rangers/Cubs/WSox et al would like to get their hands on.
        The international draft cannot come any sooner!

  16. May see Asche at times in LF this ST. The other day on SiriusFM’s MLB’s Inside Pitch Cody Ashe was questioned and talked to with Casey Stern and James Bowden. Cody talked about his move to LF…gives him more versatility. He said he is new to it except for shagging balls once in awhile…will work with coaches on proper footwork and has already started ..says Alex Gordon did it with good results, so why not give it a go.

  17. The Phils will have to fin a #1 and a #2 SP if they are to ever contend again. I am happy with the depth added to the Pitching at AA, no one projects as having a ceiling higher than #3. We all are predicting that Crawford is a future star, and we could use a couple more at any position. I would love to know the 4 “solid offers”‘ RAJ received for Cole. The best, allegedly, was from the Pads.

    1. Even excluding Swihart, Betts and Rodriguez, the Sox still have an abundant amount of prospects to choose from in their second wave.
      Owens, Cecchini, Devers, Margot, Coyle, Bradley…then there is Bogaerts or Vasquez, if they let either of them go.

        1. Understandably you not only want to fill your needs but with the best available at the positions.
          I see the Sox as a team with the prospects who can do that.

          1. Still don’t want secondary prospects for cole. I laugh at the red sox writer, he suggests the sox have the edge, and can get cole without a top prospects, I only see amaro letting cole go if he gets value. I don’t mind cole pitching for us, he still is fun to watch. And the prospect the sox want to give us. aren’t the quality to rebuild a winner. only marginal prospects. they can keep them. Cole isn’t pap where we want to unload a bad contract to get younger. I really cant believe that this team isn’t going to go after top cuba or DR players. makes no sense to me. but what do I know.

            1. rocco….the thing about holding pitchers further into a season until a deadline for a better return….is their injuries …elbows, shoulders, dead-arms, obliques….can be deal killers. Positional players still have the injury concern, but they can more or less recover to their optimum prior level. Pitchers with elbow and shoulders are big question marks. There is that risk factor to weigh in waiting out other teams.

              As far as the Cubans…..I suppose John Middleton may have to do another ‘Jim Thome’ move at some point. My guess it wasn’t entirely welcomed by the old guard a decade ago as the new rich kid on the block interfering but they acquiesced.

            2. Moncada is not worth the nine figures people are discussing. Just too much for an unproven talent at the MLB level.

              If he does get nine figures there will be an international draft within two years.

              The risk/reward does not make any sense. For him to justify the contract he would have to be an All-Star from day 1 and that is not happening.

            3. It is not about the Phillies not going after Cuban talent but spending money wisely. If they have a lot of good prospects to sign in the next couple of years where they will go over their allotment then I would rather see them sign a bulk of guys than blow their load on one player.

      1. The problem is that Ownes and Vasquez were not offered either, and I am not sure how good Vasquez is. If the offer was Ranaudo, who has since been traded, and only a reliever, Cecchini and Bradley, that is horrible. And, if The Red Sox now have Rodriguez off limits also, they do not deserve to get Hamels, Let them deal with their fans when they fail to compete this year.

        1. Romus if he gets hurt, big deal, if the best your getting offered is secondary players. They aren’t the kind of return a allstar ace should get you. How is getting rid of a top of the line pitcher for secondary prospects help. The only thing it helps is the owners bottom line, not the team.

          1. Primary and secondary prospects…as they are judged…is very arbitrary.
            Dom Brown was a top tier prospect and how has that worked.
            Chase Utley did not even make it to top 25 in BA, BP or MLB….and he was even older at 23/24 in AAA…and that worked out pretty well.

            So you never know what you get when you open that box of chocolates..right.

    1. For a $50M bonus, yeah that’s way too much. But what was said in the article? “An executive stated.” What baseball front office executive would publicly speculate a higher amount than previously stated? Considering almost all teams are interested to some degree, I would expect this figure is some sort of ploy by an agent to try to drive the price up further. At this point I would guess the final offer will settle between 35 and 40.

  18. I like what Franco’s DR winter coach had to say about him:
    ” Gigantes manager Audo Vicente came away from the season impressed.
    Vicente, a roving infield instructor in the Diamondbacks organization, said last week by phone that Franco’s skill-set reminds him of countryman Adrian Beltre, the veteran third baseman Franco has said he aspires to emulate. Vicente envisions Franco as an impact, everyday player with the potential for 25 or 30 home runs a season.”

    1. This is certainly good to read. Nice to see a quote from a baseball guy who actually saw him play on a daily basis instead of all the “experts” (the national writers and analysts) who make their judgements based on video clips and other peoples’ scouting reports.

      1. A baseball guy who was his winter coach. Not exactly an objective thrid party.

        Look, I like Franco as much as the next guy, but as far as I am concerned, comping him to Beltre entirely erodes his credibility. As hitters, maybe, though of course that’s the upside, not the most likely result. Defensively … I don’t buy Law’s skepticism on that front, but the upside is a guy who can stick at third and play decent, even league average, defense through his prime years. Beltre is one of the best defensive third basemen over.

    1. Phillies forcing this kid to switch-hit three years ago was a monumental mistake.
      If they had just let him alone as a righty we may be talking about him and Betts in the same sentence.
      No they had to meddle
      The arrogance is beyond me.
      You would have thought they would have learned their lesson with someone like Freddy Galvis…and he started two years earlier, at 16-years old, then Quinn.
      If they would have been more inclined to analytics they would have seen more infield hits are from right-handed batters…add Quinn’s speed to that and you may have something even better.
      Defensively he will be outstanding in CF and has a strong arm.

        1. Thanks for that info….still doesn’t help his cause….IMO needs to junk it.
          If he hasn’t done it well with level A pitching, it will only get worse when he sees AA and above arms.

            1. Stop it Anonymous.

              Everything I’ve read is the same, that his LH swing is better and generates more power. And don’t you want Matt to talk to talent evaluators to increase his own credibility?

            2. You didn’t talk to Jim Callis . His link above references that he may have to junk it at some point down the road.
              But then again….when it comes to liking swings, I have not read anyone who has disliked Mitch Walding’s swing.
              The stats don’t lie. I hope he can do it, but Quinn needs to better himself from the left side.

          1. My point was that your statement that “Phillies forcing this kid to switch-hit three years ago …” was inaccurate. I believe that he probably should stick to batting right-handed, but most of his power seems to be from the left side – 7 of his 9 HR last season came left-handed.

            1. I believe his splits are better from the right side versus the left side. We should have him focus on the right side.

              Power is nice for a leadoff hitter but not a primary or secondary point. The leadoff hitters job is to get on, steal a base, and set the table for the third and fourth hitters forcing the pitcher to change how he approaches those hitters.

              Leadoff home runs are more for the fans.

              I will take a higher OBP and stolen bases which will generate more runs over the course of a season over a few leadoff home runs.

            2. Yes, I avoided his splits because it’s not reasonable to expect his right-handed splits to remain high when he starts facing same handed pitchers. I was just pointing out where his power lies. In fact, in 2014 Quinn hit 6 right-handed doubles and 2 right-handed home runs. Left-handed he hit 4 doubles, 5 triples, and 7 home runs. As solely a right-handed batter, he might become a right-handed Ben Revere though with a better arm and better routes to the ball.

            3. Not to beat a dead horse….but over a course of his minor league career, Quinn could face more right-handed pitchers then lefties and would tend to have more of the PAs from the left side. In his interview with Jay Floyd’s Phoulballz back in Feb 2012 he did say he has gap power from both sides.

  19. Very good article, and I am hoping Quinn has a real good year. I have a lot of hope in him, and I really think he makes himself a top defensive CF

  20. Interesting comments from the Red Sox ownership on minor league talent expectations. This after the last three years of a rollercoaster ride…2012 last place, 2013 WS, 2014 last place
    —–“You can’t win, you can’t put together a winning ballclub just through the minor league system,” Red Sox principal owner John Henry, who also owns the Globe, said in November in explaining the Sox’ plunge into the deep end of free-agent waters this winter. “To me that would be really risky.” “I think we put too much emphasis on our rookies stepping in and performing up to major league baseball levels,” said team chairman Tom Werner

    1. True but I think we are two years away from thao t point. You don’t want only youth because you need a veteran presence to mentor the young players but at the same time you do not spend money like crazy in free agency. You need a mix of young players at the core, veterans on one year contracts to either flip or sign long-term and core veterans.

      I like what Amaro has done this offseason. We are moving forward, guys are playing for long-term deals, and they are getting ready for a long-term push forward.

      Remember that the CBA has a focus on building through the draft and minor leagues.

      1. The CBA, behind the push of the Latin American MLB players, also did not endorse the International Draft and instead want to keep the open free agency 7-figure bonus’ for 16-year old Latin players.

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