PhuturePhillies Reader Top 30 Poll for #28

Cameron Perkins Becomes the 27th prospect in our poll.  He received 54 of 235 votes (23%).  Jose Pujols finished second with 48 votes.

The current poll’s selections so far are listed below.

  1. J.P. Crawford
  2. Aaron Nola
  3. Maikel Franco
  4. Roman Quinn
  5. Zach Eflin
  6. Ben Lively
  7. Jesse Biddle
  8. Kelly Dugan
  9. Tom Windle
  10. Yoel Mecias
  11. Deivi Grullon
  12. Matt Imhof
  13. Dylan Cozens
  14. Carlos Tocci
  15. Odubel Herrera
  16. Aaron Altherr
  17. Aaron Brown
  18. Franklyn Kilome
  19. Victor Arano
  20. Andrew Knapp
  21. Zach Green
  22. Severino Gonzalez
  23. Cord Sandberg
  24. Jesmuel Valentin
  25. Ricardo Pinto
  26. Luis Encarnacion
  27. Cameron Perkins

The poll for #26 is up next.

38 thoughts on “PhuturePhillies Reader Top 30 Poll for #28

      1. he should of already been on there, starting in AA this year. this will be make it or break it season

  1. Will Cameron Perkins make the Major Leagues? Yes, undoubtedly. He will get at least one AB in the bigs. I would safely estimate 13 out of the 26 prospects picked before Perkins will never play in the Majors. Never. That’s why these prospect lists are so illogical. Lumping an AAA player with a short-season A player on the same list is ludicrous. My opinion: You are only a prospect once you reach high A. Until then you are in development.

    1. Every young player in the minor leagues is in development. That includes guys like Perkins who will “undoubtedly” play in the major leagues (and there is a non-zero chance that Perkins never plays in the majors).

      Comparing a player in the low-minors with great potential to a player in the high-minors who’s likely outcome is a bench player is just part of the challenge of these lists. When major league teams are evaluating prospects for potential trades, that’s one of the challenges they face.

    2. The only part of his statement I tend to agree with is that there should be a distinction between prospects at Clearwater and above, and those below Clearwater.

      I know the industry standard is to lump everyone together, but it is ridiculous to have a 17 year old pitcher who’s only thrown one half-season in his native Venezuela on the same list as a 23 year-old college graduate who’s playing in AAA.

      1. Yeah, that’s true, but if there weren’t massive category differences among the prospects what would we have to argue about? Basically we’d all be like: “I agree, Kelly Dugan is marginally better than Cameron Perkins, and neither of them are likely to be playing significant innings for the next Phillies team that wins more than 80 games.

        1. But comparing Dugan’s prospect status to that of Perkins at least makes sense; as would comparing Adonis Medina to Arquimedes Gamboa.

          Trying to put Dugan on the same list as Arquimedes Gamboa just makes my head spin!

          1. I see your point, but it logically leads to abandoning lists entirely. Comparing (e.g.) hitters to pitchers is just as difficult – actually I would say more dificult. Same with relievers versus starters, high upside/high risk versus low upside/low upside, and so on. If we restrict ourselves to “sensible” comparisons, we really would have to abandon these list entirely. Or come up with something like 12 (or more!) separate lists. Which would be absurd.

            No, these list have their problems and limitations, but comparing players who aren’t strictly comparable is an inherent part of the process.

            1. Yeah, and making choices between radically different players (e.g., Cameron Perkins vs. Ricardo Pinto) is actually a useful exercise, in that it forces you to think about what it is that you most value in prospects.

  2. I picked Pullin again but I see the wisdom of Pujols. Encarnacion and Pujols are inextricably linked. One of these two players will pull away from the other but right now they look to be very similar. Encarnacion was #26 so Pujols should be close behind or in some people’s minds just ahead.

  3. I also picked Pullin again. He can hit with good power for a second baseman. He has been learning the position. His hitting improved last year as he became more accustomed to second base. I think this is a good spot to see him in. Pujols came around in GCL just before they moved him to Williamsport. He had become important in the GCL lineup. This may be for him a breakout season.

    1. I hope they find room for Pullin to keep playing second. With Valentin in the fold, and probably not ready for AA, Pullin might be a Lakewood repeater, with a chance to move up if Valentin also moves up. Don’t think Pullin would be blocking anyone I’d worry about blocking, (Derek Campbell or Drew Stankiewicz, I guess, neither of which would ruin my year, though I hate to see Stankiewicz lose playing time either). I think they were using Pullin in LF in instructs, and I hope they don’t plan to abandon the infield. I don’t think they will at this point.

      One thing about drafting all (but one) college guys, that I think we’ve discussed before – it’s really going to press the rosters of the full-season leagues next year. We could see more cuts than were used to, and more guys repeating Williamsport and GCL.

      And not that roster construction dictates draft strategy, but all those college picks last year could lead them to aim for younger upside this year. That remains to be seen. I don’t generally have a problem Hunger-Gaming low-round college guys, but every once in a while you could miss out on someone valuable who just doesn’t have the time to show you that extra spark that might develop into a real tool. Like all things projectable, a little diversity and balance in draft strategy year-over-year probably isn’t a bad thing. Doesn’t mean you pass on a college guy anywhere you see good value for the pick, but a lean towards youth might be prudent, all other things being equal.

      I could go on and on (wait, I just did).

      1. The Phillies should be bold and team Valentin with Crawford in AA and let Pullin play 2B in CLW. It’s a push for Valentin, but he’ll be 21 and other prospects who could handle the D at higher levels have been similarly pushed.

  4. Jiandido Tromp. If Cord Sandberg made it into the top 20, there is no reason Tromp shouldn’t be right behind him. One year older, but level ahead of him and he beat up SS ball last season.

    1. Totally agree. I’ve been beating Tromp’s drum for a while now. To me, he should be close to Cozens, considering he outperformed him this season, even if he is a few months older and was promoted later… I’ve got Tromp, then Pujols (who also should be higher on this list).

  5. How can a big right handed reliever with an upper 90’s fastball and above average secondary offering, who pitched in the AFL with success, not be voted onto the list yet (Ogando)? How does Encarnacion, who does have high ceiling, absolutely stunk up the joint last year in the low develop leagues make it onto the list before Ogando? Ceiling does not mean you’re a prospect. A young power arm who will pitch in Big league spring games and close at AAA does mean you are a prospect.

    1. Encarnacion did not stink up the league and he was the youngest player in the GCL. To come state-side at age 16 and be semi-respectable is a big accomplishment.

      1. Did he turn in a respectable season? I thought they benched him at the end of the season because of his struggles… Compare his season to Devers, who is the same age and signed for the same bonus. Frankly, I expected to see more from Encarnacion. I hope he proves me wrong this season because he’s a guy who could jump up the prospect rankings next offseason.

          1. Murray…Devers is number 4 prospect in Sox org.

            Rafael Devers —-Rank: 4 (Preseason: 13)
            GCL Red Sox (ROK) — ETA: 2017
            Position: 3B — Age: 18, DOB: 10/24/1996
            Bats: L, Throws: R — Height: 6′ 0″, Weight: 195
            Signed: Aug. 9, 2013 – BOS
            Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Run: 40 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 50

            1. I can’t say that I’m overly impressed with our scouts or with our minor league development staff. Consider how few of our guys make it big compared to other teams. It just seems like some teams (Cardinals, Braves, and Red Sox to name a few) do a much better job in finding and developing talent. We’ve missed on so many draft choices plus big money foreign guys. Yes, we have the occasional guy who comes from nowhere to be a legit prospect but not enough to make up for the high profile misses.

            2. He’s also Keith Law’s #55 prospect in all of baseball a year and half after signing. Encarnacion isn’t even on the radar.

            3. Well in fairness to Encarnacion he is a year younger then Devers. But still come next year he may not be any closer to Keith Law’s top 100.

    2. Ogando is a 25-year-old minor league reliever with a history of poor control. He just had an ERA over 6 in AA. Usually one should take fall/winter league performance with a grain of salt. He does not have an above average secondary offering.

      He belongs at the back end of a list like this for sure but I think you are painting too kind a picture. I hope he makes the leap this year and joins the Phils promising young bullpen soon, but I am skeptical.

        1. I wouldn’t say a middle reliever’s value isn’t high, I would say his ceiling is not very high. These lists are about guessing at ceilings and likelihood of reaching that ceiling. To me, a guy in AAA whose ceiling is as a 5th OF is not much of a prospect. I’d take the guy in A ball who still has a chance of a higher ceiling, although he might not reach it. The major league team won’t benefit too much from 5th OFs and middle relievers, although they can help a team certainly.

  6. Pujols for me is next and I think Encarnacion because of this was his first yr in organized baseball in another country playing everybody that’s older then him.Ogando is 25 should be in AAA this is his 7th yr in organized baseball.I think both will be in the Majors but I ‘d take Encarnacion right now. Ogando stuff is good but his his control has been his biggest issue.

  7. Maybe we should have a list of players who will play at least 1 year in the Majors. Ten of the twenty players on the list will not play 1 year in the majors.

    1. If we wanted to make a list of players who will play at least one year in the majors, we would have to wait until, oh, around 2023. It’s just far too unpredictable to say in advance, especially to that level of specificity. I mean, Kyle Drabek hasn’t even played a full season in the majors yet, but it could certainly still happen.

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