64 thoughts on “Box Score Recap, 2 June 2011

  1. Great games out of Trevor May and Sebastion Valle. Valle is now hitting .357 on the season. If he keeps it up, I think he could be one of the top catching prospects in all of baseball next season and definitely a top 5 prospect for the Phils next year, maybe even top 3.

    1. Why do teams even pitch to him at this point? He should be racking up the walks but isn’t.

      So odd.

    2. I do not really know how the players get coached at the different levels. In his age 20 season is plate discipline something that is stressed to a player in hi A ball?

      1. Not having plate discipline is one thing – only drawing 2 walks in around 150 plate appearances is another. I would think that even the most wild swingers would draw more walks than that by accident.

        He’s having a really curious season – last week his average was around .330, so you would figure that pitchers would be more selective and pitch around him. Assuming that’s the case, you would think he’d be flailing at pitches in the dirt and struggling some – instead he has 13 hits in his last 20 at-bats. He may be a genuine bad-ball hitter like Yogi Berra (I’ve heard stories of him hitting homers on balls that were short-hopping the plate)

        I know we have some people here who go to Clearwater games – I’d love to get some scouting reports as to how Valle is being pitched to.

        – Jeff

        1. Generally in the minor leagues guys are generally not intentionally walked or pitched around, especially at lower levels.

          How does a pitching prospect develop if he is told to pitch around or intentionally walk the other team’s best hitters.

          1. Also generally in the minor leagues you come across a lot of pitchers who lack control, which is why his walk rate is so astounding (concerning?).

            I don’t know, maybe he’s a generational talent who will create a new outlier for ability to make solid contact on bad pitches.

    1. Yeah, even before yesterday’s eye-opening start, May has been putting up some impressive strikeout numbers. I believe his walk totals are still a bit high, but not as bad as last year’s Clearwater stint.

      – Jeff

      1. With a k rate as high as he has, the occasional walk clearly isn’t killing him. If he can maintain a k/9 at the mlb level over 8.5 i’m not in the slightest worried about his control, it will improve over time.

        1. True – he’s got 29 walks in 61 IP – which is far better than last year’s 81bb/136IP (and something like 60bb/70IP at CLW). Besides, a little wildness can be good with the strikeout pitchers. I guess we can’t expect too many complete games though, because he will be racking up some high pitch counts. 8^)

          – Jeff

  2. As long as singleton, valle, cosart, colvin, and may stay together and move up together, the teams they’ll be on will be great to watch

    1. Don’t forget 2011 FSL All-Stars Pettibone and Rodriguez. An embarrassment of riches!

  3. Few thoughts on the box scores and a question about the Reading Bullpen. First off seems like Savery is back to work and doing well maybe a promotion is around the corner. Second outstanding job by May good to see him strike some guys out and only one walk must have had the good command today. So how bout th back end of the reading bullpen? De Fratus Aumont and have been doing well as of late but how about this Brummett guy he’s quietly putting up some serious numbers and not really getting any pub ? Thoughts…..

  4. Interesting (ok, I’m a pathetic optimist who still looks for him each day) that Hewitt hasn’t played the last two days – injured?

    And wow – amazing game for May. Good article on Baseball America about the Clearwater rotation (apologize if it’s been metioned previously)

  5. Rodriguez Petibone Valle and Friend named to all star team….congrats…hey where is big three or that guy who was hitting .800? Also Valle no walks again! he wasted all 4 abs by getting hits.

  6. I would love to read the BA article but it’s subscription only.. Anyone wanna give us a few highlights from the article??

    1. There isn’t much new in there.

      Re-hashes the story of him being prepared to go to Missouri, and his dad negotiating his signing bonus in the stands at a Legion game.

      Talks about his ups and downs his first few years, and how its made him mentally stronger. Not a whole lot of new info, but its nice to see people are fond of our prospects.

      1. Yeah…the BA podcast also mentioned the Clearwater team as the most talented team, in terms of prospects, in all of the minors. A few interesting comments, most of them around the point that the Phillies can get whatever they want come the trade deadline if they are willing to move some of the Clearwater arms.

  7. Nice work by Buchanan again. He settled nicely after the three-run homer. Having to stock the low A club with older players like Murphy and Dabbs shows some holes in the system. The Lakewood club may contend, but they are not near the ability of the last two Lakewood teams. It doesn’t look like a three-peat. Their starting pitching is OK, but as Shreve and Bonilla assume starting roles, I imagine that Buchanan and Biddle will be used less frequently. The hitting still is very average. I’m looking forward to the draft.

    1. Every team at every level will have non-prospects/older guys who are there to provide offense, defense, and a positive environment. We were just lucky to have such a good, prospect-laden team at LKW last year. This team still has promise.

    2. Yeah, Dabbs is one of 7 OF’s on the Lakewood squad itself and doesn’t play as a regular, so that shows a real hole. Murphy is 1B. Maybe they don’t believe the other candidates there ( I say Mendez, Lanning, Christopher Duffy, Dugan, Patrick Murray, Cusick, even Dabbs also) may be a risk defensively and potentially pose a hazard to the development of the young IF’s and P’s psychologically. Organization seems to prefer veterans at 1b as a whole. Besides Murphy has hit HR’s, there is a potential for system wide promotions at 1B, and with minor league veterans- it really doesn’t matter what level they are placed at. Don’t see this as a big factor.

  8. May had the heat going tonight. You could tell he had his good command from the first pitch because every thing he threw was down early in the game and the ump gave him the outside corner all night which is important to how he pitches. Late in the game he was throwing “high cheese” and the Mets farmhands could not do anything with it with the game out of hand.

    Valle was just voted to the FSL All Star game and now leads the league in hitting at .357. His two long blasts, a double and a triple to left center, would have been home runs in Reading. He is on such a roll even his bloops were falling in tonight. In the three games we have seen him play this week he is now 9 for 12. Behind the plate he made a great block of a May curve ball in the dirt which resulted in a swinging strike three and a 2-3 putout at first. The only mistake he made was trying to throw off his shin guards on a steal of second and the ball wound up in center field and the runner on third.

    1. Valle’s double came against Matt Harvey, a first-round pick from last year and a stud that everyone is saying will get moved up to AA soon.

      May is only six months younger than Harvey, but I’m still pretty psyched that our guy outpitched the Mets’ big-time first rounder.

      Also, it says James stole home, it looks like on a double steal. Is that what happened?

  9. Why doesn’t Juan Perez get a call-up? Quite frankly, Zagurski and Romero are asking to be beat out right now. Singleton draws a lot of walks. I need to see more average from James and more power and average from Singleton. Tough day for J.C. Ramirez. His E.R.A is still good though and he can bring it right back down with a couple of dominant efforts. I disagree that Lakewood can’t win this year. They are making a run and have some games against the second and first place teams in their division coming up. Tonight was a big loss, but there’s still a chance. They gained ground on a team in front of them last year. I think they are only 3.5 or 4.5 games out.
    Yeah, i think Hewitt must be hurt because this is his second straight day out of the lineup.

    1. Juan Perez has gone through periods where he didn’t look good at all. Couldn’t find the strike zone and hits and walks followed. At LHV, Zagurski has been the more dominant and consistent lefty.

  10. hey rickey branch sounded like you were following the clearwater game pretty good tonight, what was may on the gun most of the night with the fastball

  11. May’s K numbers are just fantastic. The way things are going, he’s into my top 4 for midseason, along with Cosart, Valle and Singleton. Not sure of the order yet–don’t want to punish Singleton too much for the middling start … probably he stays at #3, which of course is still a nice place to be sitting. I look forward to watching those Clearwater kids trade places for the next two or three years–it’s been said many times before, but I think we’re looking at a real special group of players moving up together.

  12. article up on comcast sportsnet annouces that Singleton is officially being moved back to 1b for the rest of the season. Lamar intimated that he thought Jon was pressing with his bat and getting into his own head. He said the move was about getting him back into his comfort zone and involved in the game more so that he would relax and hit. They left it open that he might occasionally see the outfield later and it was still an option for later in his minor league career.

    1. I thought it was a little early for them to move him to begin with. Logan Morrison never played Left Field before getting called up… The scouting reports on Singletons fielding in LF were not horrible, so I assume its still an option.

    2. I just left a separate post on the entry about Singleton that surmised that this was the precise reason for the move and that there is no reason to panic. Folks, seriously, it’s no big deal – it is just about getting Singleton back into a good hitting rhythm. By the way, here’s the silver lining. He’s probably hit his low point and he’s still not doing all that bad. I predict that when the light goes on at Clearwater, he’s going to go nuts at the plate. Give it time.

      As for May, wow, this kid has really turned the corner. He’ll probably be the first one of the big 5 to get the call to Reading if he keeps it up. If I’m the Phillies I probably make that move in the next 4-6 weeks. I’d love to see this kid pitch on TV so I really get sense of how good he is but, from what I’m seeing, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that this guy will end up being in the Phillies’ rotation in 2013.

  13. 3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.260) –1 for 3 with an RBI (18), 2 BB and 2 K’s
    5. RHP – Trevor May (Clearwater)- (4-2, 3.54) – 8 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB and 12 K’s (win)
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (Clearwater) – (.357) – 4 for 4 with a 2B (10), 3B (2), run and RBI (18)
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.215) 1 for 4 with a 2B (3), run and a K
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.261) 0 for 4 with 2 K’s
    14. RHP – JC Ramirez (Reading) – (5-3, 2.83) – 4 IP, 6 H, 7 R, 6 ER, 5 BB and a K (loss)
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Lakewood) – (.216) – 2 for 3 with a run and RBI (13)
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.207) – 0 for 4 with a K
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.251) – 2 for 5 with 2 runs, RBI (10), SB (9) and 2 K’s
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.326) – 0 for 3 with an RBI (36), BB and a K
    26. OF – Leandro Castro (Clearwater) – (.289) – 3 for 5 with an RBI (20) and SB (8)
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (Lakewood) –(.287) – 2 for 4 with a 2B (6), run and a K

    Others:

    1B – Cody Overbeck (Reading) – (.275) 0 for 3 with a run, BB and 2 K’s
    3B – Carlos Rivero (Reading) – (.270) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (13)
    3B – Geancarlo Mendez (Lakewood) – (.273) 1 for 3 with a BB
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.256) – 1 for 4 with a BB and a K
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.260) – 0 for 4 with 2 K’s
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (323) – 1 for 4 with a run and a K
    OF – Joe Savery (Clearwater) –(.345) – 2 for 3 with 2 runs, BB and a K
    RHP – David Buchanan (Lakewood) – (7-2, 2.15) – 7 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB and 7 K’s

  14. On May 15 Mayberry picked up regular playing time (due to Victorino’s injury I think). 18 games and 17 starts. In that span Mayberry has hit 194/265/323. His numbers have fallen below Ben Francisco’s. I think Mayberry may be AAA bound with Victorino’s activation today. The Phillies are more apt to burn an option than to risk losing Martinez, IMO.

    1. You know, Alan, the statistics are what they are, but the more I watch Mayberry, the more valuable I view him to be. Mayberry is a much, much better all-around player than I ever imagined him to be and, I think it’s possible (albeit not likely) that he has some additional offensive upside that has not been captured yet. I would send Francisco down because I think he needs to get his confidence back. Meanwhile, Mayberry is a very flexible and useful player who, for the time being, I’d keep around.

      1. Catch, I love your persistant optimism about just about all our prospects but you have to realize that you are looking at things most times with rose colored glasses (or beer goggles if you prefer that analogy! haha)

        1. Yeah, maybe you are right and I’m just wearing beer goggles – being such a crazy fan often intrudes into my rationality.

          And, sure, I know the Ben is showing good plate discipline now, but I am seeing things in Mayberry that I had no idea existed – he is useful in a number of ways that Ben is not. He can play multiple outfield positions and he is exceptionally fast – there are more ways to insert him in a game. And, his athleticism means there might be more upside at the plate. Also, I am not writing off Ben, I just think he needs a bunch of at bats to get jump started.

      2. I don’t think sending Francisco down makes sense. He’s got a .230 BABIP with a previous career low of .287 but he’s hitting grounders/liners/flies at his career rates so I think he’s just had some bad luck. (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4677&position=OF#battedball)

        He’s drawing a decent number of walks and offense as a whole is down this year, so his .224/.337/.385 really is pretty close to average despite the poor BA. You’d like better hitting from a corner outfielder, but he’s fine as a 4th guy and would be a waste in AAA when you’ve got a gimpy Gload and Martinez hanging around.

      3. Yes Mayberry is more versitile but he has been exposed offensively playing everyday for having the same issues hitting against RH breaking balls.

        Francisco is the better offensive player

  15. Altherr must have read that I said he was probably headed to Williamsport. He’s 5 – 7 in his last two games. I’m sure that was it. Also Miguel Alvarez is hitting .448 in his last 10 games. His problem is he has zero power ( 6 doubles is it). He also doesn’t take many BBs. That may be because he’s not going to hurt you with the power bat. Pitcher’s pitch to him.

    May’s outing was sick. It’s outings like this that keep him in my top #5. He has the ability to be a top notch pitcher but his consistency is where he has to improve. Sometimes the difference between a #1 and a #4 starter is being able to repeat the performance game after game.

    1. In the same Baseball Prospectus sheet there was a blurb on our old friend Jonathan Villar. He got a promotion to the Astros AA team at the age of 20 and hit his first HR at that level. Apparently he did not have overwhelming offensive numbers in High A but showed enough with the glove and gap power to merit the early move to AA. We will likely miss him down the road. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14122

  16. ok lets fast forward to late july …trade cosart (houston native) worley matieson_(wade guy) and rivero (they need 3b prospect) for hunter pence…43 bis on a horrible team…i would even sacrifice resigning rollins and playing valdez or cheap fa

    1. geez sam, you are all about hunter pence. dude has a ton of RBIs and I guess he’s a sexy name right now, but he’s just not worth that caliber prospect (Cosart) and financial flexibility in the future (ability to resign guys like Oswalt, Rollins, Cole at positions of higher value than RF). the difference between him and raul/brown (+ platoon w/ RH bat) just isn’t big enough

  17. so i have have a man crush on hunter pence…so what?…lol…its not just a move for this year its for future…rollins in steady decline im not sure i d opay him same 8 million next year definitely not the 15 mil someone suggested yesterday…and i wwas one of the first to ring up rivero a couple of weeks ago…i think he could start in 2013 when polanco s deal is up…but according tio a blog which PP contributed to a month ago houston needs a 3b….and trust me i love cosart its just i would think he is who houston would want…i would start lower but hes not untouchable to me

      1. I think a lot of people are going to be really surprised when they see the offers Rollins gets this winter. He’s getting at least 4 years with an option for a 5th, and at least $14M per year. That’s the reality of the market. Of course all that changes if he picks up another injury. But teams are going to pay for his “leadership” and “winning mentality”, and shortstop is still the second toughest position in baseball to fill, and the elite guys are always very well rewarded financially. Rollins took a big discount (in hindsight now) on his last deal, and he won’t do it again. I’m sure he feels slighted now, seeing what the best at the position are making and the paltry amount (relatively speaking) he’s made in his career.

        1. I’ll take that bet. he really hasn’t performed in 3 years (assuming he doesn’t pick it up big time this year and finishes with an OPS anywhere from .720-.750).

          He’ll be 33 at the time he signs the deal. And he has, fairly or unfairly, gotten a injury-risk label (see baseball prospectus’ injury risk matrix, and the recent media promoted idea that he’s not running groundballs out due to fear of leg injuries).

          Still SS are a premium.

          I’ll take somewhere in the middle, prob 3yrs ~$27-33 mil, maybe with a significant option based on meeting playing time minimums.

          1. I’ll go inbetween you…. PP says 4 yrs 56, you say 3, 30… I’ll go 4 and 46, with a 5th year option at 9m and 1.5 million dollar buyout.

        2. PP, no way he gets 4 years, $56 million. Teams will also look at his continued decline, age and injury concerns. 4 years is an awfully long commitment to a 33 year old middle infielder.

        3. I respectfully disagree that he will get that much…i totally agree he was underpaid with last contract but thats in past…I dont think the Phils go anywhere near those numbers…im a big rollins fan but hes on the decline and i hope they dont sign him to a deal like ibanez where we cant wait till its over

          1. Rollins will get minimum 3 years 30 million. Renteria got 2 years 19 million coming off bad performance, 2 years ago. Plus defense SS, that OPS+ close to 100, don’t grow on trees.
            It is hilarious that the same guys who have no problem paying a relief pitcher(Madson) 3/36, have a problem paying a starting SS the same thing. Positional importance, anyone?

            1. Yeah, I was thinking in this range too. Sometime like 3 years, $33-36 million with an option year at $12 million and real buy-out clause of like $4-5 million.

              If it goes much higher than that range, I think the team will go in another direction and, frankly, given his age productivity decline and injuries, I couldn’t blame them too much. They might go the cheap option as SS and get a corner outfielder than can really rake.

  18. Friday’s action

    1. OF – Domonic Brown (Phillies) – (.289) 0 for 4 with a K
    2. RHP – Brody Colvin (Clearwater)- (0-2, 4.45) – 7 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB and 5 K’s
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.266) –2 for 4 with a 2B (5), run, BB and a K
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (Clearwater) – (.352) – 1 for 5 with an RBI (19) and a K
    7. LHP – Jesse Biddle (Lakewood) – (3-5, 3.99) – 6 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB and 3 K’s
    8. RHP – Vance Worley (Lehigh Valley) – (3-2, 2.84) – 6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB and 9 K’s (win)
    10. RHP – Justin De Fratus (Reading) – (3-0, 2.28, 5 SV) – 1 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB and 8 K’s (win)
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.211) 0 for 3 with a BB and a K
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Lakewood) – (.210) – 0 for 4 with a K
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.250) – 1 for 5 with a HR (3), RBI (11), CS (2) and 2 K’s
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (Lehigh Valley) – (2-0, 1.78, 1 SV) – 0.2 IP 0 R, 0 H, 1 BB and a K
    25. RHP – Austin Hyatt (Reading) – (6-3, 3.90) – 7 IP, 4 H, 0R, 1 BB and 8 K’s (win)
    26. OF – Leandro Castro (Clearwater) – (.292) – 2 for 5 with a HR (7), 2 runs, 2 RBI (22), SB (9) and a K

    Others:

    1B – Cody Overbeck (Reading) – (.271) 0 for 3 with a run, BB and a K
    3B – Carlos Rivero (Reading) – (.275) – 2 for 4 with a 2B (14), run, RBI (24) and a K
    3B – Geancarlo Mendez (Lakewood) – (.278) 2 for 4 with a 2B (12) and a K
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.255) – 1 for 5 with a run and a K
    OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.261) – 1 for 3 with 2 RBI (34) and a BB
    OF – Joe Savery (Clearwater) –(.337) – 0 for 4 with an RBI (18)
    OF – Zach Collier (Lakewood) – (.259) – 1 for 4 with a K and a SB (13)
    OF – Anthony Hewitt (Lakewood) – (.260) – 1 for 4 with a 2B (11) and RBI (25)
    RHP – David Herndon (Lehigh Valley) – (2-0, 2.45) – 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 B and a K
    RHP – Justin Friend (Clearwater) – (1-1, 1.07, 18 SV) – 1 IP< 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and a K (win)
    RHP – Tyler Cloyd (Redding) – (0-0, 0.00) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and a K
    RHP – Lisalberto Bonilla (Lakewood) – (0-1, 1.16, 4 SV) – 0.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB and 0 K

    1. Good night for Austin Hyatt, which begs the real question: “Man or Texas hotel?”

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