64 thoughts on “Box Score Roundup, 29 April 2011

  1. Well, as April comes to a close it’s not a pretty sight. Savery, Rizzotti, Overbeck and Aumont are the only guys who seem in the game to earn a promotion come June 1st. And Aumont is the only uber prospect in that category. Rizzotti is in a devastating slump.

    Down in A-ball where the Phils real future talent is there is nothing that is actually positive. The Clearwater rotation is wildly inconsistent as a whole. Rodriguez is the only guy trending positive, but not at all overpowering. Pettibone was in that category until the 29th.

    Biddle has done nothing to shed his overdraft tag. Looks very raw.

    Of course, there is Daniel Palka. Phils scouts liked him and they were right. Slugging .561 as a starter with 8 bombs, 14 doubles and 2 triples.

    Too bad that’s as a freshman at Georgia Tech instead of Lakewood.

    $$$ didn’t want Uncle Bud to frown at the Phillies. Better to save John S. Middleton’s four billion dollars for his great, great grandchildren.

    1. I love it. Panicking after April, when all the good baseball is played. Should the Phillies spend more on their minor league talent? A bit, yes. But they have proven to draft well (or at least, well enough to trade them, which might be more important if they aren’t going to pan out.) and there is no reason that April numbers should matter in the long run when most of the players are getting back into the regular schedule, without having to train or run around in other leagues.

      The end of June is the perfect time to have this discussion. Not now. There’s plenty of promising stories out there.

      1. I usually admire a little constructive criticism. For this guy, the glass will forever be half empty. You can pour and pour and pour. And he will bi$$h that its never enough.

    2. You are an idiot. I have tried to ignore you, but, simply put, you are an idiot.

      So Palko is hitting at Georgia Tech – hey Snooki boy – everybody hits at Georgia Tech. Do you know the dimensions of the field here? And it is College ball.

      Geez go buy a clue. Pettibone has one below average outing and he is no good? Biddle is a Mid Atlantic kid one year out of high school and he is an overdraft?

      And if John Middleton wants to use his billions to populate the earth with sunflowers, it isn’t any of your business unless he starts with your lawn. It is his money to spend. Do you wonde why all of a sudden the Phillies started spending money – 4th highest payroll. Calling these guys cheap is the biggest reason everyone on this board is annoyed with you.

      1. I was a pretty big fan of Palka too and disappointed they didn’t pony up for him. Too bad for us – if he’s raking in the ACC, he would be raking in Lakewood.

      2. I was a pretty big fan of Palka when they drafted him too and was disappointed they didn’t sign him. However, I think he made it abundantly clear from the get-go that he had no intention of signing. Too bad for us – if he is raking in the ACC then he would be raking at Lakewood.

    3. Why is RP Chance Chapman always overlooked? Is it because he just goes about his business and gets the job done, whether it was at Reading or now at Leigh. 4 innings, facing 13 hitters, great #of pitches/strike ration, no hits, no walks, no runs, and gets the win for the Iron Pigs. And not a mention by anyone. He appears to be very valuable member of the pen, eating up needed innings and keeping his team in the game. I think he should be followed a little more closely.

  2. A 10 run inning for Lakewood–very nice. A couple more hits for Brown. I’m not nearly as frantic about a couple of bad outings for Biddle. Our need for starting pitchers is still a couple years away–I suspect one or two of the 6 good prospects in Lakewood and Clearwater will amount to something. Meanwhile, in the immediate future, I think Philippe Aumont could very well be pitching his way into their bullpen plans.

  3. Colvin looked terrible last April…guess he was an overdraft too, eh?

    By definition, relievers aren’t “uber-prospects”

  4. I would love the phils to throw more money into the minors, BUT FOR GODS SAKE LOOK AT THE MAJOR LEAGUE PAYROLL. These last several years are the first time i can say, “wow we actually are paying real players and every year i am excited to be a fan.” The 90’s were f’ing terrible. I will call the Phils cheap if/when the current big money contracts are over and they STILL don’t spend on minor leaguers. Lets wait to see what they do when the payroll drops and the current window closes, until then just stop crying about minor league spending.

    1. No body is saying the Phillies are cheap. The argument is pretty clear; allocate more resources to paying for more over slot players. If you’re already pretty good at talent evaluation, and you increase your investment and maintain your yield, more good players will filter through the system.

      1. You have to sacrifice money somewhere. Either major league payroll or draft payroll. There is only so much the Phils can spend and i am 100% satisfied with the big clubs payroll. I am also satisfied with the minor league talent we still have after trades. Also, there are people either insinuating or outright saying the Phillies are cheap.

  5. The Hewitt hit streak continues. Please ignore the three strike outs.
    Party time at Vance’s house.
    Is the Cisco Kid back or what?
    Raul may come up with an injury soon to make way for Brown. It is pitiful to watch.

    1. Ibanez has no business being on the field at this point. Mayberry, Francisco and Gload are all better options.

  6. Mattair was taken out of the game on the 28th for a pinch hitter in the fifth inning I think. He didn’t play tonight at all. I’m concerned.

  7. There have been a lot of pluses in April:
    Pitchers – JC Ramirez 3-0 1.33 ERA, Julio Rodriguez 3-0 2.89, Pettibone 3-1 1.55 ERA, David Buchanan 3-0 1.82 Mike Cisco is finally pitching like he did a couple years ago, 3-0 1sv out of the Reading BP 1.96 ERA, EricPettis 0.71 ERA at Lakewood with 2SVs, Hollands 2-1 1.93 ERA, Aumont 16K’s in 10 2/3 innings and 0.75 WHIP.

    Hitters- Of course I like what Rizzoti and Overbeck are doing. Give Galvis some credit as he is batting .273 in the first month. Tuffy Gosewich (possible back-up for the Phils in a yr or two) has 4 hrs 10 rbis and batting over .290, Joe Savery batting .447 20 games in, Leandro Castro .296 3 HR 9 rbi

    I’m not worried some of the hitters who have started off slow, some have been hurt. I think by the end of the year names like Singleton, Valle, Altherr, Collier, Rupp, Santana, etc will be doing fine.

    1. If April is too early to be overly concerned about poor performances, is it not likewise too early to be overly pleased with good performances? Not trying to be a wet blanket, just sayin’.

    2. Don’t forget Mendez. That’s been a nice surprise. Mattair has performed better than expectations too. Let’s hope at least one of them continues it all season!

  8. Anyone have a scouting summary on Jordan Ellis. Recentlly joined Reading’s bullpen from Clearwater and will pitch the entire season at age 25. Wondering if he has the potential to be part of a big league BP.

    He was drafted out of Villanova and has had 10+Ks per 9 each year in the minors. His BB rate has been on the high side the past few years, but 2011 so far looks great. At two stops: 10.2IP, 5H, 2BB, 16KK, No runs scored.

    Anyone have any details re his stuff/velocity?

  9. Two more hits and another extra base hit for Brown. I’m getting excited over the prospect of him in right and Francisco in left in Philadelphia.

  10. Worley did a nice job last night. He looks to have alot of late movement. That being said, he got away with fastballs up in the zone and his control was not very good. He would not have got away with those fastballs up in the zone against a better hitting team. Can anyone who has see him pitch before tell me if that is how he usually pitches?

    Stutes is nasty. His ball runs so much and his slider is very tight. Even though his command was off a bit, I was really impressed. There is no way he sees the minors again this year.

  11. Bastardo and Stutes have been very pleasant surprises this year. Did anyone think Bastardo would be this good? I think he’s more than just a LOOGY at this point.

    1. Bastardo was always more than a LOOGY. He has a change-up to keep RHanders off balance. If it wasn’t for health and his size, he would probably still be a starter.

  12. This complaining about the Phillie pharm system get nauseous after awhile. Because it is not only unfair but completely incorrect. To say that many Phillie prospects did not have good Aprils ignores the fact that Worley, Stutes and Bastardo are A] all products of this pharm system and B] might all be in the minors if not for injuries. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is supposedly what a pharm system is all about.

    And allow me to put some sanity in this whole Daniel Palka poppycock. Palka made it clear that he was not interested in signing and it had ALWAYS been his dream to play at Georgia Tech. ALWAYS. I believe he had a family member play there and was determined to carry on the family goal. He said this publicly.

    There is a reason that he was not picked until the 19th round, unless Free AEC believes that there were 570 players better than Palka? Because that is about how many players were picked before he was. He was a flier pick, nothing more, nothing less. The kind you take a shot on in the 19th round. And I am sure the Phils reached out to him and probably would have paid him Top 3 round money.

    Stop blaming the Phils for not being able to sign a player who was basically unsignable. You would have more credibility with me if you criticized the team for wasting a pick on someone who made it abundantly clear he was not turning pro. At least then you would have a leg to stand on.

    1. I gotta say, PP’s irrational decision to allow AEC to continue to comemnt, despite AEC’s continuing refusal to follow the rules, may well destroy the value of this site. I know I’m visiting here less than I used to and may stop coming entirely

        1. It looked very much like a declaratory statement to me, made entirely in order to convey the truth of the matter asserted. Nor do I detect very little sign of sarcasm in the tone of the comment.

  13. 1. OF – Domonic Brown (Clearwater) – (.500) 2 for 4 with a a 2B (1) and 2 K’s
    2. RHP – Brody Colvin (Clearwater)- (0-0, 9.00) DNP
    3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.286) –0 for 3 with a BB and 2 K’s
    4. RHP – Jared Cosart (Clearwater) – (2-3, 3.81) – DNP
    5. RHP – Trevor May (Clearwater)- (1-2, 5.57) – DNP
    6. C – Sebastian Valle (Clearwater) – (.267) – 1 for 3
    7. LHP – Jesse Biddle (Lakewood) – (0-3, 7.16) – DNP
    8. RHP – Vance Worley (Lehigh valley) – (2-2, 2.78) – Up with the big club
    9. OF – Tyson Gillies (Reading) – DNP
    10. RHP – Justin De Fratus (Reading) – (2-0, 3.86, 1 SV) – DNP
    11. RHP – Julio Rodriquez (Clearwater)- (3-0, 2.89) DNP
    12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.151) 0 for 3
    13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.229) 0 for 3 with 2 K’s
    14. RHP – JC Ramirez (Reading) – (3-0, 1.33) – DNP
    15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Lakewood) – (.186) – 1 for 3 with a HR (1), 3 RBI, 2 runs and a BB
    16. RHP – Jon Pettibone (Clearwater) – (3-1, 1.55) 5 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 5 BB and 2 K’s
    17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.213) – DNP
    18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.250) – 1 for 4 with 2 RBI
    19. 2B – Harold Garcia (Reading) – (.300) Out for the season with a torn ACL
    20. RHP – Kevin Walter – Season hasn’t started
    21. RHP – Colby Shreve (Lakewood) – (1-2, 4.76) – DNP
    22. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (Reading) – (0-2, 2.53, 2 SV) – 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 1 K
    23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (Lehigh Valley) – (1-0, 3.38) – 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB and 2 K’s
    24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.352) – 0 for 4 with a 2 K’s
    25. RHP – Austin Hyatt (Reading) – (2-1, 3.00) – DNP
    26. OF – Leandro Castro (Clearwater) – (.296) 0 for 4 with a K
    27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (Lakewood) –(.178) 0 for 1 with a run
    28. OF – Kelly Dugan – Season hasn’t started
    29. RHP – Josh Zeid (Reading) – (1-1, 4.35) – 5 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 3 BB and 2 K’s
    30. RHP – Percival Garner – Season hasn’t started

    Others:

    1B – Cody Overbeck (Reading) – (.329) 1 for 2 with an RBI, a BB and a K
    3B – Geancarlo Mendez (Lakewood) – (.347) 2 for 4 with a 3B (1), 2 runs, an RBI, BB and SB (5)
    SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.273) – 0 for 3 with a run and a BB
    OF – Steve Susdorf (Redding) – (.265) 0 for 3
    OF – Joe Savery (Clearwater) –(.447) DNP
    RHP – Scott Mathison (Lehigh valley) –(0-0, 4.97, 1 SV) – DNP
    RHP – Jordan Ellis (Clearwater) – (1-0, 0.00) – DNP

  14. Maybe Josh Zeid has overcome his precipitous move to AA ball. He did much better last night.
    Speaking of pitchers, Lakewood’s crew had an interesting night. Manzanillo is suffering from having a poor fielding team behind him. Duran and Collier cost him three unearned runs, just as Duran and Barnes cost Shreve 4 runs the night before. Poor Jay Johnson never found the plate and had the misfortune to precede Neris, who has never seen a base runner he hasn’t allowed to score. Even Knigge was infected by the environment, but had a partial answer — he struck out all those who did not get hits. I can’t wait for the weather to heat up.
    Duran and Barnes can hit, but the fielding (Duran) and the throwing (Barnes) is hurting both of them. This is not new. I hope it doesn’t get old. As their hitting picks up Lakewood needs their defense, as does their prospect status.

  15. Mayberry starting today again in LF against another lefty. I have always wished him well as he seems like a good guy, but for the love of god I am dying for him to go 3-4 today with a homer and a few rbi’s. If he jumps all over this opportunity, we’ll see more of him and less of Raul.

    Sounds like Dom will be moving up to a higher level early next week, AA or AAA. If he continues to hit there for a few days to a week and Raul continues his struggles, I think its very possible we are looking at 4 outfielders splitting time in 2 outfield positions.

    1. I remember how abundantly successful that was for Fergosi in 93 — platoon of Eisenrich/Thompson & Incavilia/Chamberlin.

      but that is most certainly no Manuel’s style — he’s always been a “trust your veterans” with a sprinkling of “go with the hot hand” kind of manager. I do believe that Ibanez is close to forcing his hand, and if Mayberry continues to play well (like today) — then we’ll see him less and less.

    2. It’s nice that Mayberry hit out a hanger from the lefty, but we already knew he could do that. Does anybody really want to see him in there against good righties? Not me. If Raul doesn’t start hitting then I don’t think the Phils have an answer in house, unless its Dom Brown.

  16. Thank god they gave Savery another night off. I think he should bounce back from his current slump and hit 500 after a little rest.

  17. To Anonymous
    I like Mayberry and seems like a nice young man but he seems not able to handle slow stuff and breaking balls which the minors are full of these type players but good luck ti him.

  18. According to Scott Prufrock on the radio today, Brown will be headed to Lehigh Valley for an extended time.

  19. If it wasnt for size and health he would be a starter. if carpenter threw harder he would be in the majors, size is part of the makeup of a player. on the otherr side just wondering if ibanez is just in a slump or done as a player.

    1. The point of saying that about Bastardo is to point out that he can handle RHB. Not being durable is a little different than not having good stuff.

  20. Mayberry with a game tying HR! Give him regular time against lefthanders and he will be productive.

  21. Its early in the game but the Hewitt streak continues. Trouble is too many ABs or one hit to go around. When he goes 1 for 3 pull his arsch out of the game . Let me add a wink so that someone doesn’t think I am serious WINK.

    BTW to Mr Roy Showoff.

  22. Mike77 – nice adult response to mikemike, very professional and respectful. This board is turning into a combo between philly.com and tmz with the personal attacks, ridiculous. Rulz the other day, mike77 today, Free AEC all the time. I’ve never commented once on this site but read every day. Its too bad a few people are turning this into something different from what it was just a few months ago – a forum to respectfully discuss and analyze phillies prospects.

    1. I agree with you, I hardly ever post, however I do read and like this site. But when Free AEC started, I just do not read any of his ridiculous comments. I have been a Philadelphia sports fan since 1950 and have kept rosters on all four team including their minor league teams (started out on paper, now on my computer). Now being retired I have more time to read and go to all the sports sites I can. This way I can keep my rosters up and get all the rumors.

    1. Probably a little of both. He’s 39, and he’s clearly in decline, but I don’t think he’s this bad.

      That said his fielding is simply abominable and that’s not a slump, just a guy who’s never taken good routes losing a little more speed and throwing ability every year.

  23. My post earlier was not to imply Mayberry should be an everyday player but I think he, combined with Ibanez’s performance, has earned the following: 1) He should be starting all games started by a LHP, 2) He should get an occassional start or two against RHP when he is on a good role or when a RHP is not typically tough on righties, and 3) Late in games that he does start, he should be given the opportunity to see some tough righties in low risk situations to continue their evaluation of him.

    1. And TWO Hewitt hits. Dare we hope?
      I imagine watch yet alone talking to the big four has to have a great influence on
      Stutes and Worley. In the long run just another reason to farm Herndon and bring up someone with a future. Any lessons Herndon has learned do not seem to be sinking in.

  24. One thing I have learned mike 77 people like you, must have went to be college . first thing they attack is grammar, education, you should learn about velocity hollands was your pick as sleeper, lmao. he is nothing and if he ever makes the phillies, I promise in front of everyone to quit the site never post again. You should watch these guys play once and while. told you stutes was for real. saw him in person and on tv, he has a chance to be a nice relief pitcher. Hollands still laughting over that one. I ask about velocity because its important to right hand pitcher, very few make the grade without hitting 90 or above. left handers need for the most part to be at 90 too, unless sidearm loogy types. not impossible but rare. So if you want to answer me do it in a civil way. All you do is post stats, watch a guy play, and the stats will take care of themself. pettibone doesnt strike out a lot of players, does that mean he cant pitch.? Bastardo might be a good pitcher,havent seen enough of him dont crown him great, until the league see him more than once. And by the way mike your right I didnt get much eduction, but became a account ex with yellow pages, before I retired at a young age. so see mike77 some of us stupid people make it in this world.

    1. Someone who can’t strike out guys is going to get pounded a lot harder than someone who can in any luck neutral situation. That’s just raw statistical probability.

      It’s all about the type of contact that is induced, and guys with strikeouts can typically induce weak contact (if it’s via overpowering stuff, breaking stuff, or a mix of the two.) at a more consistent clip then ones who can’t since hitters can lock onto pitchers without swing and miss stuff far better. It’s the difference between Kyle Kendrick and Roy Halladay, yo.

      Pettibone is an alright pitcher, but it’s telling that Bastardo has enjoy success against Major League opposition while Pettibone isn’t anything more than a fringey prospect.

      Also, proper grammar helps everyone since it makes it easier to read your post and not recoil, that should also be evident.

    2. In “The Republic” it is said that newly wealthy people are boring because they judge others by their income. Likewise the newly educated. I have a friend who never went to High School yet he has millions. He doesn’t talk about things. He does. Naturally his grammar is shaky and he doesn’t always say thing correctly but he can hire someone to do that for him. Mike77 get off people’s back it is boring.

    3. Mikemike,
      Fair enough. When I am not ignoring your posts and decide to respond, I will do it in a respectful way. But don’t get up on a soapbox to act like your some victim.
      You have responded to a number of my posts in the past couple of months in very cowardly way. Don’t wait ten posts down to reply without using my name, to sneak in a dig. You have done that at least 20 times, and you know it. You want to trash other peoples opinions without engaging in debate, because you often have points that you can’t backup.
      Hit the reply button at the bottom of the comment, you want to trash. But be ready to have your comment taken apart. If not, fine. I can go back to ignoring you, so as to avoid doing this to the board.

      1. Cowardly, taken apart! You are kidding? Give me time to go out and buy some Depends. Please please ignore me. That will make us both happy.

  25. J C Ramirez with a good game Saturday. 6 inns 7 H 1R 1BB 1K. One K? Needs some help in missing bats. Sporting a 1.37 ERA to now.

    Let’s get some Ks!

    1. It’s getting downright weird with his lack of Ks. I really didn’t even see him in spring training with the Phils, does he throw a sinker?

  26. From ESPN one less topic for trade discussion
    “General manager Mike Rizzo said Zimmerman will have surgery in Philadelphia on Tuesday.”

  27. LISTEN not personal against mike77, just sometimes disagree with him, I thought this site was for debate, maybe I was wrong. so i too will ignore mike77 post so to keep it civil.

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