Roman Quinn named #3 NYPL Prospect by Baseball America

SS Roman Quinn was named the number three prospect in the New York Penn League by Baseball America behind Rays pitcher Taylor Guerrieri and Pirates pitcher Luis Heredia.  After being recognized as the fastest baserunner in the Phils system by BA in 2011, Quinn went on to hit .281 with 1HR and 26 RBI’s to go along with 30SB in a successful 2012 campaign.

50 thoughts on “Roman Quinn named #3 NYPL Prospect by Baseball America

  1. First off thank you gregg,

    Here are the notes from the scouting report as well as other NYP notes from the chat (all previously posted in the General Discussion thread:

    Paraphrased Notes From BA Scouting report on Quinn:
    – Numbers were really good in context of age and league
    – Swing is more advanced from his natural side (right), but his left handed swing is coming along nicely
    – Average to plus hitter, will have gap power has he matures
    – Strikeout rate is a little high, pitch recognition is improving
    – Has good range and a plus arm at short, he is apparently getting to a lot of balls most SS don’t, he still is working on getting used to playing the infield in terms of positioning and instincts

    Larry Greene Jr:
    Jim (Philly): Besides power, what else does Larry Greene bring to the table?

    Aaron Fitt: Greene is another intriguing guy who was in the mix at the back of this list. I thought it was a deeper pool of candidates than usual this year — plenty of guys who missed the Top 20 are still quality prospects, and Greene falls into that group. Greene learned a lot about defense this year — pre-pitch positioning, reading the ball off the bat, improving his jumps. He’s a decent runner (not a burner), but he’s still learning to use his speed, both on the basepaths and in the outfield. He’s got a strong outfield arm as well. At the plate, he has a tendency to chase out of the zone and needs to improve his recognition of quality offspeed stuff, but the Phillies were pleased with his ability to work counts. He has a chance to hit for some average as well as power, in time.

    Mitch Walding:
    Grant (NYC): Are you impressed with Mitch Walding’s tools?

    Aaron Fitt: Another Phillies question — that team was loaded with interesting second-year high school guys and some decent college prospects (like Chris Serritella and Cameron Perkins). Walding obviously struggled quite a bit at the plate this year, but he showed good defensive actions and athleticism — definitely a guy who should be able to stay on the infield dirt. He figured to be a long-term prospect when the Phillies drafted him — you’re buying the size and athleticism. He needs time to figure out his offensive game, but you could dream on some pop down the road.

  2. Quinn is an exciting prospect. If he progresses one level a year, he’ll be finishing up a (hopefully) successful season in Reading when Rollins’ 4th year option expires. I can’t wait to see what the guy can do in full season ball next year.

    1. Greg, agree that Quinn looks like a special player and hopefully he can be ready by the last year of Rollin’s contract. Joe Jordan will promote him faster if he excels at the lower levels.

  3. Let me take this opportunity to talk about Ruf …

    Kidding. As one of the people who ALSO likes to talk about the major league team, and is thus grateful for the general thread, I’m even more happy to see these threads, because OF COURSE the main value added feature of this site is the minor league discussions which can’t be had elsewhere.

    One low minors prospect comment (GCL, not NYPL): I don’t quite understand the exclusion of Zach Green and Pullin from that league’s top 20 list. Yes, Green is raw, and yes Pullin benefited from a high babip, but given positions, age and performance, I’m fairly high on both. Pullin was 5th in the league in OPS, and most of the guys in the top 10 were 2 or 3 years older. Green doesn’t rank quite as high, but he’s 8th among players under the age of 19.

    1. From GCL chat, nothing on Pullin (I tried asking but they didn’t answer) also some Cozen’s news:

      Rod in Seattle (Shill for BA): What can you tell us about the Phillies’ pick Zach Green?

      Ben Badler: The debut was solid and he’ll show you above-average power at times, but there’s a lot going on for him to get started with his swing, which is why he might look great on one pitch, then get tied up and overmatched the next. If he can quiet down some of the movement and learn the strike zone a little bit better, then you’ve got an interesting guy, but there’s a lot of work to be done.

      Ben (Leland Grove): What was the word on Dylan Cozens, specifically his makeup? Was he close to making your list?

      Ben Badler: He came a little better than expected. Huge power (that wasn’t a surprise) both to his pull side and to the opposite field. The stiffness to his swing and the very limited defensive value are concerns, but the power is a potential carrying tool.

      Here is some Pullin from a recent BP Monday Ten Pack on players doing interesting things in Instructional League

      Andrew Pullin (OF, Philadelphia Phillies)
      Pullin was classified by many as a “tweener” leading up to the 2012 draft, with a defensive profile best suited for an outfield corner and a bat best suited for an up-the-middle defender. His swing is geared to spray line drives off waist-and-down offerings, but he has enough bat speed and barrel control to square up the ball in all four quadrants. This summer the Phillies experimented some with Pullin at second base and could look to fall instructs to determine if this is an experiment worth pursuing more. A sturdy frame and solid athleticism could help him tackle a physical position like second base, where his gap-to-gap bat could eventually help him carve out a role as a 2-slot hitter.​—Nick Faleris

      1. Thanks.

        I guess my perspective on Green is that the fact that he performed that well despite (presumably correctable) problems with his swing is all the more reason to be be excited about him. Probably the fan in me talking.

        For Pullin, it almost sounds like he just hasn’t yet done enough – yet – to overcome a somewhat mediocre pre-draft profile. But if he can play second, it sounds like he has the tools to be quite a good prospect.

        1. I think especially with the GCL list there is no reason to be down on a guy for not making it, the sample sizes are so small that you really have to go on tools and limited scouting reports. With their scouting reports they released their list from 5 years ago and only 3 out of 20 are on pace to be legitimate big leaguers (Jesus Monetero, Devin Messaraco, and Ben Revere), I am sure there are arguments to be made for a ton of players. It was really nice to see Tocci so high on the list but even he has a ton of ways that he could flame out over the next year or two (it is so hard to project how teenagers will physically mature). I would be more interested in reports after FIL on these guys because for the most part they just told the 2012 draftees to just go play and then they will work on doing things like quieting down Green’s swing and working Pullin in at 2B.

          1. All points well taken. Did the 5 year retrospective talk about prospects NOT in the top 20 who are now well regarded prospects or major leaguers? I know the flame out rate is high, but 3 successes in an entire league seems low.

            Actually, I just looked over the list real quickly; there are indeed more players with major leaguer experience from that year, more than a dozen, including one Phillie. :)

            1. They just quickly post the list just as a show of the past, the original report does mention Jason Heyward who didn’t qualify. I assume there are plenty of players from the league who made it.

      2. I guess on Cozens, according to Ben Badler’s defensive assessment, he will be pigeoned as a corner OF (likely LF) and /or !st base, since he throws left-handed..

        1. I wouldn’t rule him out of RF yet, he definitely has the arm to play there (if he has the range for the OF I would assume he is in RF over LF). Considering he is a giant power hitter, I wouldn’t expect the profile to be any more than that, the power could carry him at any position.

          1. What naulls at me with the national pub guys is something like…..’very limited defensive value are concerns’..in refernce to Cozens. I want to know specifically what, not a generic phrase. Surely they understand that minor league prospect followers are intelligent enough to know they need more detailed analysis. And especially if Ben Badler subscribes to the metric train of thought.

            1. The problem with evaluating Cozen’s future is that he is a large man and scouts are hesitant to say he won’t get too big as he matures. Kevin Goldstein posted a quote from a scout “He’s a big strong guy with easy power,” said the NL scout. “But he also has a good swing.” This issue for anyone evaluating Cozens is just how big he’ll get. “I’m not sure where he’s going to end up playing in the field,”

              People just don’t know how big he will get.

            2. Cozens is a strongly suspected steroid abuser. That’s how he got so big, so fast. 50lbs over one winter. Shoved his H.S. coach and bullied teammates before being kicked off the team. That’s the real reason he was dropped off boards and everyone expressed surprise at the Phillies picking him so high.

              This information is from a chat by Keith Law archived at ESPN just after the draft.

            3. Dylan Cozens:
              Gerry (Philly)
              KLaw!! Ruben Amaro was downright giddy about Dylan Cozens in his draft analysis. Cozens wasn’t even rated due to football commitment or character issues. Why all the excitement? What is his potential?
              Klaw
              (1:14 PM)
              He wasn’t rated highly because he’s not that good. Shoved his coach and told him to “f off” in the dugout during a game, so he was kicked off the team – the culmination of a series of incidents that turned many scouts off him, one even calling him a “bully.” (Just what you want on your GCL team around a handful of 16-year-old Latin American kids.) And he’s a big power-before-hit guy who put on 50-60 pounds in a single summer. Amaro is pumping up his draft pick, which is his job, but he’s giving you half the story.

            4. So, does anyone know if in a case of a suspected steroid user – or perhaps as a routine thing, whether teams are able to request drug screening prior to draft? One would assume being caught after the fact would violate the contract – but not get the draft pick back

            5. I fail to see anything in there that mentions steroids. But feel free to continue to insert your own biases and state them as fact.

            6. I am curious to know how a guy like Keith Law, who has to or should be a responsible journalist can write “suspected” things about a young kid without any proof. These are young kids, cut it out. Speaks volumes of his journalistic integrity, or his integrity!

        1. It depends on the prospect: They are higher on Pettibone than anyone else as well as Aumont, Valle, and James. They have never been huge fans of Biddle but otherwise they are about the same as all of the other prospect websites

  4. Between Roman Quinn and Maikel Franco, starting to get very excited about the right side of the 2016 Phillies infield.

  5. Sure hope Zach Green has the 3B job in April at Lakewood. He earned it with his GCL performance.

    Any word on Mitch Gueller being switched to the outfield? If you can’t miss bats in GCL then you don’t have MLB pitching talent.

    1. I don’t think Green goes to Lakewood because of Walding. Walding had a bad statistical year but the tools are still there to make him a really good third basemen.

      As for Gueller, it is way too early to give up on him as a pitcher. The reports on him before the draft was that he had a good fastball and advanced change up but the breaking ball needed a lot of work. It is likely that he was mainly throwing fastballs in his brief time in the GCL and did not have the breaking pitch to get the strikeouts. If the Phils thought of him as an OF they would not have taken him so high.

      On another note, it is time to reevaluate or previous notions of the GCL. Because of the new signing deadline there are much more high profile players starting their careers there. So rather than teams being composed of players from Latin America getting their first experience stateside and the guys not good enough to go to Low-A or SS ball in their first full season, you have a lot of high draft picks and other premium talent at least spending some time in the GCL.

      1. Even though Waldings numbers weren’t that great he did start off on fire,so the potential is there.As far as stats between Walding & Green according to FansGraphs Walding had a 10.6% walk & Green 4.4%. On S/O Walding 22.6% & Green 23.5%.Green did have a better AVG. but he also faced less qualified pitching.So what I see is Walding walks more & strikes out less even with the tremendous slump he was in.Green did get more hits.But with his power he only had 2 more Hr than Walding,But walding had 2 more triples.But Green did not have as many at bats.I say Walding stars at 3rd Base.

    2. Walding has first shot at Lakewood 3B I assume. No reason at all to give up on Gueller. He is a raw pitcher with arm strength that has not thrown a lot of innings. Small sample size stats in GCL mean very little.

      1. Right…he didn’t even pitch in the GCL, so he really didn’t miss many bats. Remember he was coming off a HS arm injury and was brought along slowly until 2003.

          1. I didn’t follow the minor leagues at all when Cole Hamels was coming through the system (i was young)… but BB-Ref had him at a 13.9 K/9.. if that’s not missing bats idk what is.

            … and his h/9 was at 3.9

            High a he had a h/9 of 9.9 so that might be what you’re referring to. Still struck out a lot of guy.

            1. The above post, was in reference to Cole Hamel’s presumed rookie GCL year, not his entire minor league resume. Nevertheless, Cole skipped the 2002 GCL league and in 2003 went into low A Lakewood.

    3. Green is definitely a major league bat prospect. While he’s making the transition to 3rd, he needs to work on defense and making less errors. Made less errors at SS in the GCL.

  6. Based on limited results and projection I think Quinn is possibly the best prospect in the organization. He has the possibility of being a superstar. He is just so far away that his chance to reach that ceiling is still huge. But I could see him as a prospect similar to Gose but at an even more critical position.

        1. Way too early to say that. Gose also went directly to the Low A which is tougher than the NY-Penn. Gose plays SS which is a giant plus, but he has not shown he is a better hitter that Gose yet, especially since Gose has already reached the majors.

            1. Yes Quinn. Main point is still valid. Quinn needs to do more at higher levels to be as good as Gose prospect-wise. Prospects that jump directly to low A in their first full season get extra points.

  7. From BP chat:

    MattWinks (Philly): What are your thoughts on Roman Quinn, he put up some of the best numbers in the NY-P league and it seems he might be able to stick at SS?

    Bradley Ankrom: He hit pretty well in the New York-Penn League, and demonstrated his plus-plus speed with 30 steals and 11 triples, but his work at shortstop still leaves something to be desired. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him moved to center field.

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