Post Season Report Card–OF, Upper Half

A look at the OF in the top half of the organization.  Look for the report card on the lower half on Monday or Tuesday.

Lehigh Valley

Kyle Hudson, 25, Acquired from Tampa in 2012; .264/.335/.386 in 406AB’s; 0HR 25RBI; 22/33 SB; .175 vs. LH, .275 vs. RH, .286 with RISP; 10%bb/17%K rate; Hit .202 since August 1.  106 games in the OF with 3 errors (.986); 6 OF assists;  With at least 2 OF from Reading likely to join Lehigh Valley and speed being Hudson’s only real tool, I would be surprised to see him back next year.  Grade: C.

Derrick Mitchell, 25, Phils 23rd round pick in 2005; 6 year minor league free agent.; .218/.279/.353 in 238 AB’s; 7HR 35RBI; 8/11 SB; 7%bb/21%k rates; .147 vs. Lh, .247 vs. RH, .278 with RISP; .129 since August 1. 68 games in the OF with 1 error (.994); 8 OF assists; A big year was expected from Mitchell and we got just the opposite, with a broken wrist significantly limiting Mitchell for two plus months. WHen he returned, he really struggled.  Mitchell has a big fan in ‘Pigs manager Ryne Sandberg but Mitchell will be with the organization that gives him the best shot to play regularly at AAA in 2013.  Grade: D. 2013: Elsewhere

Steve Susdorf, 26, Phils 19th round pick in 2008; .286/.351/.379 in 377 AB’s between Reading and Lehigh Valley; 2HR 41RBI; 6/12 SB; .178 vs. LH, .303 vs. RH, .275 with RISP; 9%bb/14% k rates. 64 games in the OF with 2 errors (.984); 5 OF assists; Also played 3 games at 1B without an error. Susdorf can hit right handed pitching very well but with limited power.  It is to that extent that he is limited however. Very poor numbers against left handed pitching and poor power numbers limit his ability to advance. Grade: B-; 2013: 4th OF in Lehigh Valley

Mike Spidale, 30, Re-Signed as a free agent in 2012; .286/.306/.335 in 269 AB’s between Reading and Lehigh Valley; 1HR 15RBI; 7/13SB; 2%bb/8%K rates; .269 vs. LH, .266 vs. RH, .192 with RISP; 66 games in the OF with 4 errors (.960); 1 OF assist.  Spidale was “fine”.  He can swing the bat at times, but is a poor defensive player and is not a run producer. With the talent coming in from Reading and Clearwater, likely to lose his organizational spot. Grade: C+. 2013: Elsewhere

Jason Pridie, 28, Signed as a free agent in 2012; .298/.356/.455 in 178 AB’s; 5HR 22 RBI; 4SB; 8%bb/20% k rates; .200 vs. LH, .331 vs. RH, .304 with RISP; 44 games in the OF without an error; 3 OF assists;  Pridie spent some time in Philly and played well for Lehigh Valley. He is a good depth OF for an organization to have and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back. Grade: B+ 2013: Lehigh Valley.

Reading

Leandro Castro, 23, Signed by the Phils in 2006; .287/.316/.427 in 478 AB’s; 10HR 71RBI; 13/22 SB; 3%bb/14% k rates; .326 vs. LH, .271 vs. RH, .304 with RISP; .286 since August 1. 125 games in the OF with 11 errors (.962); 11 OF assists; Castro had a nice year, probably good enough to be protected on the 40 man roster. His mind is sometimes elsewhere defensively and he needs to keep his focus.  Grade: B; 2013: Starting RF in Lehigh Valley.

Jiwan James, 23, Phils 22nd round pick in 2007; .249/.291/.360 in 381 AB’s; 6HR 31RBI; 8/16SB; 5%bb/29%k rates; .283 vs. LH, .235 vs. RH, .205 with RISP; Hit .246 Post All Star Break. 105 games in the OF with 2 errors (.991); 6 OF assists;  Definitely not the kind of season that James wanted as he struggled for most of the year with production and injury.  Struck out a ton and his most impressive asset (speed) was inhibited by a sore knee.  Very unlikely to be protected on the 40.  Grade: D; 2013: Back to Reading.

Tyson Gillies, 23, Acquired from Seattle in 2009; .299/.369/.440 in 298 AB’s; 4HR 40RBI; 9/16 SB; 6%bb/19%k rates; .253 vs. Lh, .326 vs. RHP; .231 with RISP; .327 since August 1. 71 games in the OF with 2 errors (.987); 7 OF assists; Definitely and up and down year for Gillies who started well, got injured, came back, got injured, got suspended, came back and played very well.  He needs to do alot better than a 60% success rate stealing bases if he is going to be a productive major leaguer and perhaps more importantly needs to stay on the field and out of the doghouse.  The last month of the season was very impressive, but it will take 250 AB’s without being suspended or injured for me to turn the mental corner on Gillies. Played a good CF this year.  Grade: B. 2013-Starting CF for Lehigh Valley.

Brandon Tripp, 27, Re-Signed as a free agent in 2012; .264/.316/.391 in 368 AB’s between Clearwater and Reading; 6HR 44RBI; 2SB; 5%bb/23% k rates; .208 vs. LH, .283 vs. RH, .250 with RISP; 68 games in the OF with 5 errors (.958); 8 OF assists; Also played 3 games at 1B with 1 error; Only had 70 AB’s after the all star game. Tripp was decent when filling in for injured OF in both Clearwater and Reading but that was what his role was limited to.  Grade: C+; 2013:

D’Arby Myers; 23, Phils 4th round pick in 2006; .305/.333/.347 in 190 AB’s between CLearwater and Reading; 4HR 19 RBI; 12/13 SB; 5%bb/15% k rates; 51 games in the OF with 3 errors (.968); 3 OF assists; Myers completed his 7th minor league season in the Phils organization and can become a free agent in the off season unless he is protected on the 40, which is unlikely.  He played well seeing a decent amount of late season playing time in Reading. After a poor 2011 where he hit .235 in limited AB’s for Clearwater this was an important year for Myers if he wanted to continue his minor league baseball career. I still believe he has the talent to be successful, however I doubt it will be with the Phils. Grade: B; 2013: Elsewhere

Clearwater

Pete Lavin, 24, Phils 20th round pick in 2011; .269/.322/.367 in 442 AB’s; 6HR 38RBI; 16/21 SB; .233 vs. LH, .288 vs. RH, .264 with RISP; 7%bb/15% k rates; .305 since August 1; 112 games in the OF without an error; 5 OF assists; Lavin played regularly and did a nice job. At 24 and in High A, he is behind the 8 ball but should move up to Reading in 2013. Grade: B-

Anthony Hewitt, 23, Phils 1st round pick in 2008; .241/.281/.387 in 411 AB’s; 13HR 50 RBI; 13/22 SB; .253 vs. LH, .234 vs. RH, .178 with RISP; 4%bb/32% k rates. 95 games in the OF with 19 errors (.909); 7 OF assists; Hewitt showed glimpses more than in years passed but still had an abysmal K rate, horrible production with RISP and a fairly awful triple slash. Combine that with 19 errors and you get a generous Grade: D+ 2013: Phils will not protect him on the 40 and I highly doubt he is taken. WIll get his last chance in the organization next year in Reading.

Zach Collier, 21, Phils 1st round pick in 2008; .269/.333/.399 in 283 AB’s; 6HR 32RBI; 11/14 SB; .222 vs. LH, .293 vs. RH, .293 with RISP; 8%bb/19% k rates; Hit .251 Post All Star Break. 74 games in the OF with 3 errors (.980); 1 OF assist; Collier missed the first 50 games of the year suspended after testing positive for a banned substance and did a generally good job after he came back. Still just 21, he can still progress and the Phils must decide whether to protect him on the 40 this year. Other than hitting .271 with the GCL Phils in 2008, Collier has never hit higher than .269 for the organization. Grade: B. 2013: Reading

Drew Hillman, 23, Phils 18th round pick in 2011; .215/.256/.354 in 181 AB’s between Lakewood and CLearwater; 5HR 22 RBI; 4%bb/20% k rates; .263 vs. LH, .182 vs. RH,.211 with RISP; 18 games in the OF with 2 errors (.913); 0 assists; 6 games at 1B with 1 error (.974);  Hillman has not shown much in either of his two years with the organization. Grade: D. 2013: It very well may become a numbers game with Hillman, with a good deal of talent below that needs to push up.

69 thoughts on “Post Season Report Card–OF, Upper Half

  1. Don’t get the point about Collier needing to be protected. Under Rule 5, guys signed at age 18 or below (he was) get 5 years, 19 and above only 4. I see where people on here point to Petitbone, May, Colvin, Collier, JRod and Hyatt needing to be protected on the 40 man roster or be at risk of being drafted. By my calculations, they don’t need protection as they’re not Rule 5 eligible.

    I haven’t tracked D’Arby Myers closely to know if he was healthy this year. I don’t understand why he didn’t get more regular use. Phils best outfield prospects were at Reading. They really do need help through free agency this off season. I fear the season will end before the Phils know what they have in Darin Ruf.

    1. “I fear the season will end before the Phils know what they have in Darin Ruf.”

      So do you really think that playing him regularly the last few games is going to give them any meaningful additional information about him, let alone allow them to “know what they have?” Really? There are two issues regarding Ruf – defense in left and just how well his hitting will transfer to the majors. Regarding the former, of course a few games in the majors will tell the Phillies zero (my guess is that the Phillies have a pretty good take on his defensive progress; the only open question is whether winter ball and maybe spring training significantly advances his now apparently quite limited ability to read where the ball is going & run routes to the ball).

      Of course it’s hitting that his fanboys are most concerned about. 80 major league plate appearances is far too small a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions on that, at all. Moreover, no one doubts that he probably can hit major league pitching. The question is just how good a hitter he is, and 80 PA won’t begin to answer that question.

      Frankly at this point I almost wish the team would trade him for a bag of baseballs so we could stop having these stupid and meaningless debates.

    2. Collier- in the 2008 draft (the 2007 draft became eligible last draft) so you go 2008 (the short season- when he began play) 2009, 2010,2011,2012- that’s 5 by my count. Guys drafted in 2009 over 19 when drafted will also be eligible.

  2. I’ll keep this short Larry. Why do you guess the Phils brought Ruf up if not to get “meaningful additional information about him”?

    1. I can think of at least three reasons, without even putting a lot of thought into it: (1) an additional bench bat for the stretch run, (2) reward him for his season in AA, and (3) give some exposure to the majors to a kid who might – might – have a shot at a role on the club next year.

      I’m sure there are other possible reasons.

      I think too much of the Phillies front office (despite my well known reservations about Amaro) to believe that gaining “meaningful additional information about him” was a significant motivator for the call up. Even if it was, the fact that they are in the WC mix is rightfully a reason to push that concern aside.

    2. But more to the point, what do YOU think the team will learn? Regarding defense in left, I’m sure the FANS would learn more, since most fans haven’t seen him play left. I’m not even sure what the team is supposed to learn that it hasn’t learned in observing him in AA. I mean, there’s nothing special about playing left in the majors versus the minors.

      Now, there IS a difference in hitting AA pitchers and hitting major league pitchers. Which is one reason most of us don’t think he is going to come even close to duplicating his AA numbers in the majors long term. But … sample size, sample size, sample size. If he went .200/.250/.350 in 100 PA would it prove that he couldn’t hit major league pitching? Of course not. If he went .300/.400/.600 would it prove he was going to be a star? Again, of course not. Countless good hitters have OPSed .600 in a sub-100 PA sample size; countless poor hitters have OPSed 1.000 in a sub-100 PA sample size. Jeff Francouer is a lousy hitter, yet as a rookie OPSed .885 over almost 300 PA – and was at about 1.000 for his first 164 PA. That’s literally the first player I looked at – I could find hundreds of other examples.

  3. Collier will be interesting to watch regarding the Rule 5. I doubt he gets protected, and if he does that likely means the Phils think he’s got some potential. If he doesn’t, he might be a pretty tempting player to snatch up

  4. alrite, hewitt!!! 40 hrs next season with 260 ks and most checked box score… guarantying those stats and we still wont know what we got there….

        1. Knowing how badly he was hurting all year, they’d be a much better judge than we are. If they know he was playing through serious pain on and off and with maybe limited balance in the box, his offensive numbers might look a lot better. Hard to say from outside.

  5. “Collier- in the 2008 draft (the 2007 draft became eligible last draft) so you go 2008 (the short season- when he began play) 2009, 2010,2011,2012- that’s 5 by my count.”

    marfis – Collier was out for the entire 2010 season. That makes 4 seasons by my count!

    1. Is it years or seasons. You say above years, I never seen anything that says it wasn’t years. Seems like the ability of players to be eligible for the Rule 5 draft that would be an advantage to them, and they should not lose that right because of injury. I don’t think it is like MLB rules on arbitration whereby a player is not eligible for arbitration or Free Agency without the playing time. The minor league draft and free agency system is not as stringent. They had a pitcher that never got out of Venezuela for 6 years and was mostly injured (Victor Diaz) Also a catcher turned pitcher lost some years to injury and they became 6 year + Free Agents just the same, and I don’t think the Rule 5 draft is any different.

      1. Yeah, also , I believe the clock starts when they play as a professional and with time they become eligible for Rule 5 and minor league Free Agency.

    2. I believe Rule 5 counts the year you were drafted and injuries, regardless of whether you see the field. So Larry Greene, for instance, is at 2 yrs now, even though he didn’t play in 2011. Anyone disagree with that assessment?

      1. I think the clock starts when they begin play. Such as Latin American players that wait to turn 17. Used to be short time back drafted players could sign after the year they were drafted. I think Tyson Gillies was an example of that, I believe he would have been eligible one offseason by draft year, but by starting to play time he became eligible last season.

  6. I don’t know the answer. Would make a difference in the case of Collier. Small quibble it’s counting from the year of signing, not being drafted.

  7. No way that James or Collier will be protected. I can’t believe that any major league team would expect Collier to go directly from a High A guy finishing around 280 with little power to the majors. Don’t get me wrong, I think he has lots of talent but, he’s not major league ready. DArby is a really interesting guy. He hit when he played this year but he’s always the odd man out in terms of playing CF. Gillies and James played CF ahead of him but does that mean he can’t play CF? His hit tool only projects if he can play CF. I could see a AA OF next year of Hewitt, Collier and James with Lavin as the 4th OF and a AAA OF of Ruf, Gillies and Castro with Pirdie and Myers in reserve.

    1. Lendy Castillo wasn’t major league ready last year, and the Cubs drafted him from us. Losing teams can afford to draft players and stash them on their roster – they’re not expecting to win.

      1. It’s easier to hide a bullpen guy on a major league roster than an outfielder. But I really doubt somebody takes James/Collier anyway.

        1. True. But if I’m the Cubs and I think a guy’s got potential, outfielder or no, I’m taking him. He’s likely only going to be your fifth outfielder anyway.

  8. “But more to the point, what do YOU think the team will learn? ”

    I think the Phils will go after the best right handed hitting outfielder they can get through free agency. The reality is that they will be forced to overpay. Obviously, if they felt that Ruf at 26 going on 27 can help at all in 2013, it changes the equation. If they sign a corner outfielder, somebody they pencil in for left field, and Ruf tears it up in ST, then the whole world starts second guessing wondering why the Phils waited to find out what they had in Ruf. Do the Phils ever miss the boat on prospects? Nah! (Kratz, Moss, Vogelsong, Grilli)

    1. That doesn’t even attempt to answer the question. There is nothing they can learn in 80 to 100 PA in the next 3 weeks that will help them answer that question. Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.

      And again, so what if he tears it up in spring training if he isn’t even adequate in left field?

      I’m at the point where I hope they trade him. I really am. Else we’re going to have to keep hearing this crap for months to come.

      1. The irrational line of thinking from Phans regarding Ruf is hilarious to me. Don’t get riled up Larry. These are the same people who will rip him to shreds if he doesn’t come close to doing what he did in AA. Simply put, they are morons.

    2. Kratz, Moss, Vogelsong and Grilli weren’t prospects when they were with the Phillies organizations. Every team makes decisions on players in their system and misses the boat. The Phillies have been the benficiaries of that in the past yet fans don’t give them credit for doing so (Victorino, Werth to name 2).

    3. And if they have a corner OF RH bat who they sign (which you could mention by name if you are so inclined) and Ruf rips it up in ST, that’s what we like to call a good problem. Having more assets to be able to make moves is a strength, not a weakness.

    4. Mender, the Phillies did not miss the boat on Kratz and other teams missed out on the players you mentioned. Brandon Moss is hitting .258 which is average and was let go by Boston and Pittsburgh before the Phillies. Jason Grilli was released by Detroit, White Sox, Florida and the Phillies before this his breakout year. Ryan Vogelsong was cut by Pittsburgh and he left the Iron Pigs(Phillies) in 2010 and is really struggling lately. What is the moral of this? It is that it is these ordinary players throughout their careers finally figure it out which is impossible to predict.

      1. I think this elides the issue to some extent. I mean, you are correct, I think overall the Phillies’ record on talent judgment is quite good – but even if that were not the case, there’s two more holes in the argument. The first and biggest is what I discuss above – that a few September plate appearances and innings in the field are going to tell us nothing about whether Ruf is one of those guys. The second is that, even were the Phillies poor judges of talent, that says nothing about whether they are wrong in this particular case. Of course “they” is not limited to the Phillies; it is not as if the presumably smarter front offices are banging down our doors to get Ruf. If the scouts are wrong on him, it is more of a general failing.

        The impression I get … maybe unfair, but I can’t really explain these posts otherwise … is that there is a contingent of fans who is convinced that Ruf is a future star, and that all he needs is a chance, any chance, to prove it. And they think that his call up should be that chance. The thing is, right or wrong on the issue of Ruf’s potential (and, again, I personally am more optimistic than the scouting consensus, but still think expectations regarding Ruf have become wildly unrealistic among some Phillies’ fans), baseball doesn’t work that way.

      2. The Phil’s had Grilli and Vogelsong just before they broke out and played well with them and still didn’t make the right decision. No ifs ands or buts. Kratz if they had looked was better than Schneider. That was also a mistake. It ws right before them . They flat out missed it. Don’t try to milktoast it .

        1. You are flat out wrong here, in 2010 with LHV Vogelsong as a 33 year old put up this stat line; 58.2 IP, 4.91 ERA, 1.705 WHIP, 40 BB, 73 SO, there is no way you could predict his breakout based on that. This wasn’t some kid you could project success on, Vogelsong is in large part a creation of the Giants home ballpark and if he is a little off he gets lit.
          Grilli had a nice year in 2010 as a 34 year old in AAA, there wasn’t really a spot for him on the big league roster so they let him go and instead took a chance elsewhere, maybe a bad call but this is a reliever we are talking about he is not the difference.
          With regards to Kratz he is not as good as he was showing earlier and you can see that in the drop in his stats, Schneider was a good defensive back up catcher that they held onto for half a year too long, again not a make or break move.

          1. Matt I think you are spot on…moreover, I would bet that Grilli and Vogelsong had contracts that said if they were not on the major league team by June 1st they were free to go elsewhere – so it is not like the Phils even “cut” them.

        2. Believe this to whatever extent you choose, but Schneider is given a lot of credit by the org and (I think) Worley, for Worley being as good as he was in 2011. His bat was sub-par compared to his contract for 2011-2012, but would Kratz have done the same with Worley? Would he be successful with the bat playing almost exclusively once every five days?

          Agree with MattWinks below – we’re seeing Kratz regress towards what we ought to expect from him offensively. His Sept OPS so far is .494. He’s going to show some power, and throw-outs from his knees look super friggin’ cool when they work, but would he have been a wise plan as the back-up for 2011? I don’t think going into that season you could make a case for that – he had 36 big league PAs as of the end of 2010, and a 21% throw-out rate in AAA for another org that year. He was the definition of an “Org Guy”.

          His current break-out followed a 2011 AAA season where he improved his throw-outs, held his hitting steady (lower OPS with more HR), and the Phils decided he was worth keeping around. They didn’t miss the boat. He’s on their team. Schneider is around because he was a known commodity with good success handling young pitchers.

  9. I might be crazy, but I wonder if the Phillies aren’t going stealth on Myers. I might protect him over Castro, who I’m not a fan of. The numbers (PA’s) don’t back me up – but there you have it. I also hope Mitchell finds his way back to the org.

    1. Myers might be more than what meets the eye but Castro will absolutely be a major leaguer at some point in some capacity. My guess is that he’ll be a 4th OF type. He can drive in runs and he can play all 3 positions but he probably doesn’t play CF well enough or hit well enough to play a corner. He does however have a terrific ability to drive in runs. As for Ruf, I’ve seen him play several times and he has the ability to barrel everything. In other words, I firmly believe he’ll hit in the majors when he gets a chance. I can’t imagine he’ll ever field well enough in LF to play there regularly though so I’m not sure where that leaves him. I’m expecting the Phil’s to sign and trade for 2 OFs in the winter and have Ruf start in LF in LHV so we’ll see what he can there.

  10. David Lough CF Royals
    Brock Holt SS Pirates
    Andrew Lerner P Padres
    Peter Moylan P Braves

    All unsung prospects recalled in September and making notable contributions with their teams. Like Ruf, none of these was a top 100 prospect. You don’t know what you have until you test it. I agree that some fans are carried away with Ruf’s numbers. I’ve never anointed him to anything. He will have to prove it. Trading him now would be beyond stupid. The Phils hit on some minor leaguers, miss on others. No team is infallible. It’s irrelevant that other teams missed the boat on Moss, Vogelsong and Grilli. Same is true in drafting new talent — you frequently miss talent you’re out of a job and you can’t argue other scouts missed too. Good luck with that. Moss was bypassed for John Bowker last year. Some like to argue for the sake of arguing. Knock yourself out. No one knows yet if Ruf can field LF passably or whether he will be able to following a stint in the Venezuelan league. Even as a backup right handed bat off the bench and back up to Howard, Ruf’s competition is Ty Wigginton who’s having the kind of year that doesn’t get your option picked up for next year. Right handed bats that could interest the Phils for next year include Cody Ross, B.J. Upton, Melky Carbera (switch hitter) , Nick Swisher (switch hitter), Tori Hunter and Delmon Young. Guess that about covers it.

  11. Very cool to hear Wheeler on the broadcast just now describe the bombs that Ruf was hitting in BP. He said he was crushing balls. That was right before Dom crushed a ball into the upper deck.

  12. Ruf hitting behind Howard a few games this year would satisfy me. I think the results would dictate their next move.

  13. I hope they don’t break the bank on Bourne or Upton. Sign Cody Ross and have him either start or platoon. I’m okay with Mayberry in center with Gillies in the wings. Maybe not optimum, but I’m okay with it considering what you’d likely have to pay those other two.

      1. I would love to see a short term deal and see how Gillies plays out, but I haven’t looked at the OF market for 2014. I doubt Vic only gets 1 yr. I dont doubt he would come back to Philly if 1 yr was his only option, but by then, Rube will likely have made his move.

          1. They don’t have to, but I think Ruben will probably want to. Unless he really does something big at 3B, he might feel a pressing need to do something to make the team better for 2013.

    1. With Mayberry, when the season starts in April, someone needs to flip his calendar forward to August and let him begin there. His bat seems to come alive in the second half.

  14. Actually I would like to have seen, Utley moved to sixth. Asche [multi hit machine] hit third. Howard and the let Babe Ruf bat fifth [haha], He also has a good risp% if he doesn’t hit hr’s.

    1. If you are just going to troll, please just leave. If you have something of value to post in your comments that is fine but just throwing stuff out to inflame here isn’t productive to the conversation.

  15. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a team take a shot at Jiwan James in the rule 5. At this point, he’d miss one year of development rather than two. His bat is quite questionable, but his plus fielding makes him very attractive as a bench piece in the majors.

    Also, I think it’s worth noting that James hit far better from his natural side. I suspect a team would do well to have him scrub switch hitting and stick to batting righty.

    1. Much of that reminds me of former Phillies top pick Greg Golson who has been bouncing up and down with many teams as a defensive OF with some speed and some pop. (I know it has been said before but we can easily write down the Golson – Mayberry swap as a huge win right?)

        1. As many detractors on this site pick over Mayberry’s talents, or lack of them as many would like to say, like vultures over a carcass, I enjoy and pull for the kid, well soon to be 29-year old. Other then his contact tool, which is a big one, IMO his other tools are average or above. The former Cardinal has the strength to power the ball, once he squares up on it.

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