Trevor May with another great outing. Really been impressed by him this year, not that I wasn’t before.
May gets a BA mention …
Not a good day for Brody Colvin, too bad I was hoping he would follow up his last good game with another and start a good streak for himself. He made 93 pitches (in only 4.1 inn) 56 strikes, 37 balls and 6 swing and misses. Wasn’t able to see a speed gun so can’t give that and detecting change-ups and sliders was difficult. I did determine that he threw 10 curves(6 for strikes), one of which was hit out of the park to chase him from the game. He appeared to have trouble commanding his pitches, besides the 2 walks( one of which was the 1st batter of the game after getting ahead of him 0-2) he had 5 three ball counts and he needed 26 pitches in the 1st and 20 in the 3rd. Offensively Chris Duffy hit the 1st pitch he saw as a Thresher for a 3 run homer off a lefty but not much after. Hewitt’s hit was an infield high hopper that he beat out, Myers had one also.
D’Arby’s seems to be breaking out in all areas of the game. 357/367/429/795 in 30 PA before tonights stellar performance. His power and speed are really showing too… he has 3 doubles and is 100% on the year stealing bases.
OPS actually up over .800 after tonight too! Only 23 with a 6’3 175 pound frame he really could be a slugger some day.
No offense, but Myers has a career .253/.298/.342 in abut 1500 plate appearances and he’s a LF now. That’s just not good enough. He’s no more than organizational filler at this point.
He won’t be a slugger , perhaps. Age-wise , as far as the position players go, Myers is younger than every player on the Clearwater roster, except for Duran, Asche, Alvarez , and Hewitt. So, Age-wise , he’s right where he should be. Since minor league players make improvements skill wise as they age and gain more experience that career record thing is meaningless, as it is across all platforms, because what matters is the recent past as it affects the future and the future itself. Now, a LF? Why, because it was read in the boxscore? They will use Lavin there for the time being because he is a couple of years older than Myers and they will have to move him faster if he is to have any effect.
Myers still has opportunity to advance further, , just because people on the Internet have batted a subject around for a period of years it has no effect on anything.
He’s a LF because that’s where he’s played every game this year and all but two games last year. He doesn’t walk and has very limited power. I hope he makes it, but it’s extremely unlikely.
Myers is a CF who plays every position in the OF. He has power but has had limited playing time. His Avg was well over .300 and he was not in the next 5 games. He plays well and he does not play the next few games like everyone else. That 1500 plate appearences have been inconsistent unlike Brown, James and Lavin. If he gets fair playing time his numbers will be even better.
Myers has power, he had a very good ST hitting over.400 where he hit a triple off of New York Yankee’s pitcher Phil Hughes. He also had several doubles and triples with a three run triple.
It is true that Myers is almost exactly the median age for the FSL (median DOB for the FSL is 12/20/88 and Myers’s DOB is 12/9/88). However, we know that real prospects do better against older competition. So while he indeed is average age for the league, that should be taken as a bad sign for his prospecthood.
Also, dismissing past performance as not indicative of future performance is entirely false. Maybe you can excuse a hitter’s performance over a few hundred at bats, but not over 1,500.
I don’t know why we talk about Myers. Good luck to him, I hope he is the next Raul Ibanez, but he is not worth getting worked up about.
It’s really too early to look at the stats. 34 plate appearances leads to some awfully flukish performances. I mean, Myers has 12 hits. Every hit is worth about 30 points of batting average. So if even two hits fall differently, his stats look far different.
I guess the big story tonight is Brown with 2 errors. Did anyone see what happened?
Dom brown with 2 fielding errors Really? I would like to know what happenend also.
From another post…
1st error was a dropped fly. Ball hit halfway between Brown and Andres Blanco, Brown got a glove on it but muffed it.
2nd error was a ground ball single through into left field. Brown reached down to field it, failed to pick it up and the runner advanced.
Brown really had only one other fielding chance, a routine fly. Everything else was out of reach. When Brown had to field a ball off the wall, he seemed to handle things mechanically. Didn’t make a mistake but wasn’t tremendously smooth.
Dropping fly balls like that is unacceptable and he’s done it a bunch of times now. How hard is it to learn basic fielding?
Sounds like it might have been a difficult chance if it was halfway between 2 fielders. His defense is not that bad and LF defense is really not that important.
LF is an easier defensive position to play but it’s incorrect to state that left field defense is not particularly important. Before Brown becomes a major league player he needs to be able to make the routine plays routinely.
For all of the complaints about Burrell, Ibanez, etc. in LF over the years, their weakness was the inability to run well enough to get to balls. But for both of those guys, they at least caught what they got to.
I don’t understand that rationale “they caught what they could get too” there’s plenty of outs they turned into doubles so it evens out.
It wasn’t a routine chance. He was concerned about not running into Blanco.
Irrational hatred of Dom Brown alert.
This is crazy. Can anyone say sports psychologist? It really is a shame that the one prospect the Phillies would not let go of is now suffering what seems to be a mental collapse. Someone that was lauded as a “5 tool” player must have the physical ability to play the field. I do not remember the fielding concerns at the lower levels. These are apparently routine fielding plays. They are not acrobatic attempts at a tough position like SS or 3b. They are grounders and fly balls that should be easily negotiated. He must be thinking way too much.
I do not even remember there being any fielding deficiency prior to his first Phils call up. It appears to be one of those unfortunate and strange cases that we can only hope rights itself. As a Phillie fan, it definitely bums me out.
There were fielding concerns, but they were fairly limited. Overall, we heard he was fast, had a great arm, but took pretty bad routes to fly balls (which is true). But, yeah, he’s got to keep going out there and trying to field the position. Honestly, I have never seen a good athlete go through what he is going through in the outfield. I still think there’s a good chance he works through it.
On another front, does anyone know how hard May was throwing last night?
says he was throwing 90-95 with sink
In the article, May says Brummett has “nasty stuff”. I have never heard anyone say that about Brummett. Is that true? Can anyone confirm?
Sounds like Trevor May being a good teammate.
Exactly what I was going to say. You just don’t say unfavorably things about your teammates. Better to lie than to the media than to say something you may regret about a person you personally have to deal with day after day.
Great start for Trevor May.
Giles still wild with good Ks. Nesseth bad again.
He only gave up one hit! I think he was effectively wild. Ha ha.
Boxscores illegible again on my android…they eere good for a few days. Im not sure what problem is.
Not sure if it is easier or harder to do, but late last year they started just lording tue link right to the teams box score.
Sorry for the spelling errors. “Loading the link”, was what I meant.
milb.com has a mobile site that loads by default when you visit on a smart phone. The box scores are easy to read.
Icant read them on my tablet either
Trevor May looking good in his first month of AA 4-0 WHIP of 0.87. He has only given up 12 hits in 4 games (23 innings). He is going to be up there for pitcher of the month w/Cloyd and Wright
Looking so good so far for Trevor May….Ruben must be chomping at the bit dreaming up his next major blockbuster deal involving another of our top prospects.
Doubtful, we need a cost controlled major league starter very badly. If we could backfill Big Joe’s spot next year with a major league minimum salary, that would be an enormous help. If he’d develop into a frontline major leage starting pitcher, that would be even better.
Nice pitching by Ramirez and Brummett, both failed starters who may provide good relief depth. Brummett especially has been unhitable this year.
Nice line from May but my only small gripe is it took him 90 pitches to get through 6 innings facing only 20 batters. I know it’s nitpicking cause the line looks great but at some point in his progression I’d like to see a bit more effeciency with his pitch count and going a little bit deeper.
I completely agree with this comment, however we have to remember that a pitcher who strikes out as many batters as May does is going to run up his pitch count pretty quickly. There is no shame in being dominant for 6 or 7 innings with that many strikeouts. It is a much better approach than pitching to contact…
Agreed, that’s why I said I was nitpicking. Just something to monitor as he progresses in AA. Each level the hitters become more selective. But he’s off to a fantastic start.
Agreed. Also keep in mind the knock on May is his command and he will need to develop better command and consistency in the higher levels. Right now his stuff is just overpowering the young, raw hitters he’s facing. He seems to have his BBs down from last year though, so that’s a good sign. All around, a very promising start to the season for May as it appears he’s developing into a top-notch pitching prospect in all of baseball.
I don’t think we can categorize his opposition as young, raw hitters anymore. The median age in the Eastern League is 24. His start is very impressive and encouraging to me.
Agreed, I was worried with his move to AA would really expose his wildness because the hitters are more disciplined but so far so good.
I second that on May WHIP is my favorite stat to evaluate pitching. Give me a sub 1.20 WHIP and a k/9 of 6+ and you have something. And Colvin continues to show why I had him outside of my top 10.
One extra comment, he threw 55 strikes in those 90 pitches. He was making it harder on himself. The opposing pitcher, Heston, went 7 innings and only threw 87 pitches with 62 of them strikes. That was efficient.
Jiwan James’ line for the year is quite interesting – it almost looks like he has turned into a slugger: Only 1 SB and an ISO around .260. I’m sure his numbers will normalize as the season goes on, but if he can keep his ISO in the .160 range, then his stock will be way up IMO.
Has he filled out some? He is still listed at a rather Glanvillish 6’4″ 180
It is said he has gained 20-25 pounds of muscle, as has Domonic Brown and, apparently, Aaron Altherr, who has also appeared to gain power.
200 lbs by last acoount.
You guys certainly know more than me about minor league system…but how close is Overbeck? Every time I look at his box score…he hits ! With Ryan still injured why not give him a shot.
He’s obviously pretty close since he’s at Lehigh. I’d sure like to see him get a shot – he certainly has some pop in his bat, although I’m guessing he doesn’t have “major league power” since he seems to be a free swinger and would probably get fooled quite a bit.
Sadly though, the Phillies don’t seem to be big on handing the reins to youngsters so my guess is that his chance will probably be with some other team
I don’t think it’s really fair to say the Phillies aren’t big on handing the reins to youngsters.
Maybe my wish to have May for next year (to replace Blanton) isn’t as outlandish as it first seemed. Not to say that it’s likely, but I’d say the probablity is far greater now.
Keep up the good work Mr. May.
If he keeps this up, I’d love to see him accelerated to AAA (is there really that much of a difference?) especially given the uncertainty surrounding Hamels going into the off season.
If the Phils lose Hamels, they will need to replace him with a better, major league ready starting pitcher. I look at their rotation next year, assuming no major injuries, as 1. Halladay, 2. Lee, 3. Hamels (or FA replacement), 4. Worley, and 5. TBD (Kendrick, Hyatt, May, Low Cost, High Reward FA). Best case scenario would be to resign Hamels and have May fill the 5th starter role next year and be able to handle that. I know it’s early, but Worley is starting to look more and more like he will end up being better than a 4th or 5th starter.
Worley might just end up being one of those guys who out performs his peripherals, and there are plenty of them. Look at Beachy down in Atlanta as another recent example. With regard to May, why rush him? I think he really should spend most of if not the full year at Reading. He will probably see a higher level of competition there, if not more of the higher tiered prospects. He can still make himself rotation-ready for the big club there as many top pitching prospects tend to skip AAA.
At this point, Worley’s peripherals are really solid. He really doesn’t need to outperform them to be more than a back end guy.
I am with DougEFresh. Believe that 90 percent of Dom Brown’s problems are half mental. Poor guy. Can’t believe he is trying to make left field errors.
Trevor May – BB/9
2010 – 5.4
2011 – 3.98
2012 – 3.13
The kid is moving in the right direction.
He could make it to Philly without or without a stop in Lehigh Valley.
Seems the experts with the national entities keep harboring on May’s control issues and as you show he continues to improve. Seems, once you get an early reputation in a specific area it lingers with you.
Well 2011′s total was a big improvement but still not great, and the 2012 number is only in 4 starts. So I think the experts would be right to focus on that for now.
He could make it to Philly next season with or without a stop in Lehigh Valley.
May has started, what,four games at AA? Let’s not get carried away just yet.
Brown obviously isn’t trying to make errors. He’s a human being, with emotions, and sometimes with the advancement of sabermetrics and numbers-generated analysis, those emotions are easy to forget. I don’t know him personally, but I’m sure he’s disappointed he’s not in the majors, and I’m sure at the same time he realizes he has to work hard to get back there, and maybe he’s trying too hard. No one has given up on him and no one thinks he won’t be a major leaguer. But learning at the big league level, where there is no margin for error, is sometimes not the right place to get your education, especially if the team you play for has massive expectations and a massive payroll.
Brown is going to get another chance. I think the Phillies want his next call-up to be his last call-up. He has time.
Well said [golf clap]
I agree. I also think the last thing they should do is call him up any time soon where he might be considered “the savior of the offense”. Dont call him up when the offense is sucking because there will be a ridiculous amount of pressure put on his shoulders at that point.
They should call him up right after Howard gets back – let him slip in under the radar, work his way into the lineup and get a bunch of at bats under his belt so he can help in September and the postseason.
Rick Bottalico said that Dom Brown will not be called up by Ruben sitting on zero HRs.
In July I can guarantee he won’t be sitting on zero home runs if he is healthy. He will, at some point, relax and hit the wholly Hell out of the ball.
Whenever I think about guys not hitting for power in April, I think of Roger Maris. The year he hit 61 homers, he hit one – yes one – home run in April. And in 2010, the year Joey Bats hit 54 homers, at the end of April he had 4 and was hitting under .220. Give Brown some time, he’ll come around.
So is Harold Martinez a first baseman now?
Just getting him into the lineup, I assume. But with 2 errors in his second game, he’ll be learning on the job ubtil someone is moved up or to DL.
Doubt it. He’s not going to play over Franco at third. Its just like last year when Asche had to move to second. They have 1 too many 3B at the lower levels (nice isn’t it?) so someone has to play out of position.
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