2012 Reader Top 30, #30

Well, it is the end of the line. In total there have been about 12,000 votes cast in this year’s Reader Top 30, and for your participation I am very thankful. We had a very tight grouping in the voting for #29, with 3 guys separated by just 2 votes. I’m going to award #29 to Ervis Manzanillo, who is first with 72 votes. For #30, we’ll simply do a run-off vote between JC Ramirez and Leandro Castro. My plan, as of writing this right now, is to publish my top 30 tomorrow. But this will depend on me being able to focus and write for 6 hours later tonight to get everything in order. So it may happen. Or it might have to wait till Monday. I apologize in advance if I’m not able to make my deadline tonight. But, let’s finish the voting here.

01. Trevor May, RHP
02. Jesse Biddle, LHP
03. Sebastian Valle, C
04. Brody Colvin, RHP
05. Freddy Galvis, SS
06. Phillippe Aumont, RHP
07. Jon Pettibone, RHP
08. Justin De Fratus, RHP
09. Maikel Franco, 3B
10. Julio Rodriguez, RHP
11. Tyler Greene, SS
12. Larry Greene Jr, OF
13. Jiwan James, OF
14. Tyson Gillies, OF
15. Lisalberto Bonilla, RHP
16. Roman Quinn, SS/OF
17. Cesar Hernandez, 2B
18. Austin Wright, LHP
19. Brian Pointer, OF
20. Mitchell Walding, SS
21. Carlos Tocci, OF
22. Aaron Altherr, OF
23. Cameron Rupp, C
24. Austin Hyatt, RHP
25. Perci Garner, RHP
26. Harold Martinez, 3B
27. Harold Garcia, 2B
28. Michael Schwimer, RHP
29. Ervis Manzanillo, LHP

25 thoughts on “2012 Reader Top 30, #30

  1. I was gonig to vote for the Rizz for no skill based reason, but simply as a salute to an oft fan favorite here, but I ended up going for JC over Castro.

    Last year was a real disappointment for me with JC and here is to hoping he bounces back.
    I did think long and hard about voting for Castro and may have on another day if I had something different for breakfast.

  2. I’d vote for Hudson and probably Dugan before either of these guys. But I picked Ramirez based on upside and physical tools. Castro’s probably the better bet to be a fringe major leaguer, but he seems to have a 5th OFer ceiling. Ramirez has the physical tools and is young enough to suddenly figure things out. And his stuff could potentially play up out of the bullpen.

    1. I’m curious to know why you would take Dugan over Castro. Castro performed much better at the same level/age as Dugan.

  3. I took Ramirez. He is young and did OK. If he can figure out how to pitch, he could be really good and at least he should be able to make the majors out of the pen.

    Castro’s abominable OBP is a real negative for me. But I like him all the same and would not be upset with him at #30.

    I personally have HeRod, Savery, Kenny Giles, and Morgan before both these guys.

  4. Law’s top 100 is out. Only Phillie is May at #76.

    Others:
    Darnaud is #6
    Singleton is #46
    Gose is #59
    Cosart is #78

    1. Boy, our big league club might be lousy, but we could have a great farm system right now if he we hadn’t made those three trades.

      Joe Jordan’s got some big shoes to fill.

      1. D’arnaud looks like the one that will hurt losing the most. Valle needs to make us forget about him with a strong season.

    2. I look at these 4 prospects and realize they are all quite good but, then, ask myself, is there anyone among them who effectively cannot be replaced over a reasonably period of time? The only one is d’Arnaud. That having been said I’d trade d’Arnaud and a few other guys any day of the week for a Hall of Fame pitcher like Roy Halladay who is agreeable to a relatively short and reasonably-priced contract.

  5. Castro essentially because the HR power he showed last year in an injury shortened season is more impressive than anything we’ve seen from JC. He didn’t walk a lot last year, and 2010 was around 7% – not great, but his K numbers are fairly reasonable for someone with pop, around 18% in his full 2010 and around 14% last year. Both he and JC have had injury problems now, but Castro I think could play into a starting role on an ok team or a 4th OF on a good team.

    JC got shelled the second half last year. Not the way you’d like to see progress from a guy who’s already used up an option. Or is it 2? I think just 1, right?

  6. All in all its not the worst Top 30 we could have. I went Castro. I would have bounced a few guys in favor of Dugan but now the fun part begins. We get to see who plays their way down the list and who plays their way up it.

    1. I agree with you. JC still has a ton of ability and decent upside potential. We’ll see if he ever uses it… Savery’s upside is not quite as high and I have Hudson above Castro because Castro appears to me to almost be leveling off as a 4A type. Hudson isn’t even to that level yet but he’s younger so he has more time to see what he’ll become. Morgan is another name that I think should have definitely been on this list but he’ll make it next year. I’m still not a supporter of Manzanilla being on the list because I think he’ll be in the pen but we’ll see.

  7. I have a feeling doing #30 in this format will cause a result much different if all names were included. I really believe Savery would have won #30 if included. He isn’t in my top 30, but I think the Schwimer vote would have naturally moved to Savery in this round.

  8. I’d probably have both of these guys in my own top 30, but I go for Castro here. I’m eager to see him in Reading to see what kind of power numbers he’s able to put up in a more hitter friendly park but against tougher pitching.

  9. I would have gone for Savery if the option was available, but don’t feel too bad voting for JC Ramirez as Mr. Irrelevant.

  10. Here we are at #30 and there are still some really intriguing talents left on the board. Jake Diekman throws wicked 94-96 MPH side-arm pitches and was barely touched in the hot hitting AFL and he’s not on the list. Kenny Giles can pump a heater up to 99 MPH and he’s not on the list. Overbeck’s not on the list and he has big time power.

    Nope, the system’s not teaming with guys who are currently star material but there are a lot of talented guys who could take a big step forward this year, particularly last year’s hot shot draft class. I think it’s exciting.

    1. Maybe we all know in Cholly’s world young players will get no shot unless injuries make the situation desperate.

  11. whoever picks these players really missed the boat. Tyler Cloyd will be in the Majors before any player in this list.

    1. You would be wrong since Schwimer was already in the Majors. But then again, this is a list of prospects, not a list of those most likely to make it to the majors first.

  12. I see that you severely penalize prospects for age in your Top 30 Prospects list.. A player that goes through three years of college or even graduates before signing is placed at a great disadvantage in the rarnkings to those who are drafted and signed out of high school or those signed out of Latin American countries where he minimum signing age is even lower.
    Perhaps you could do a list of which players are the closest to reach the big leagues. That would eliinate any age bias. If I remembe correctly, last year, Micheal Stutes went unranked or ranked very lowly because he was 24 at the time of Spring Training. Yet,he was the first player recalled to the big leagues (before the end of April). Yet he was actually one of the Phillies best and most advanced proSpects, reachinG the majors from Oregon State in less than 3 years.
    This year, Harold Garcia barely makes the Top 30 prospects list, (in the high 20s) largely because of his age. Ditto for J.C. Ramirez, who only managed to snare the final spot on the list at #30. Ramirez showed exceptional poise at the end of last year, despite an 11-13 record. He was the only dependable and winning starting pitcher in AA/Eastern League/ Reading’s postseason run, which leads me to believe, he’ll start this year in AAA and will be in the majors by 2013, at the latest. He will turn 24 this year so he looses about a dozen places in the rankings. Two candidates who are much more likely to reach the big leagues before most of those included on this list are Cody Overbeck (3B-1B) and Matt Rizzotti (1B), who have shown that they can hit higher minor leaguue level pitching. As players who went to college before signing, however they are penalized and “fail to chart” to use a recording industry term, on your list.

    1. They are not penalized for age. They aren’t ranked because they aren’t projected to do much, even if they make the major leagues.
      I would agree with your point as it relates to J C Ramirez, but he isn’t ranked low due to age. He isn’t an old player dominating kids. He is ranked low due to perceived mediocre performance.

    2. Stutes has an upside of middle reliever and if everything falls right for him (a long-shot) possibly an average setup guy. Despite his raw results last year, he has major control issues and his secondary offerings are average at best. Not exactly “great prospect” material.

      Neither Overbeck or Rizzotti are prospects. They’re guys that might get a cup of coffee in the Majors due to injuries at some point.

    3. Age in relation to level is important when evaluating prospects. If a guy is 25 and just holding his own in AAA, he’s not likely to ever make an impact in the majors. Overbeck and Rizzoti have been discussed to death on this site, and even if one of those guys makes a contribution in the major leagues it will probably be in a pinch hitter/backup role. Neither can field well at all- to make up for that you had better be able to hit at an all-star level and neither guy has shown enough to suggest they can.

      The idea is that even if guys like that are more likely to be in the majors, they’re easy to find. Any team would rather have a guy that might one day make a significant contribution to a winning team, even if they’re more of a longshot.

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