You come here looking for box scores. Who am I to disappoint you?
Well so much for Frandsen being a super utility guy in the near future – just got nailed for juicing. 50 game suspension. Have to believe that seals the deal for him with the Phils. Unbelievable.
Utley didn’t play. Not sure if that’s just “ease him back into it” or not.
It is. Today was a scheduled day off for him.
1. OF – Domonic Brown (Lehigh Valley) – (.353) 1 for 4 with a run, RBI and a K
2. RHP – Brody Colvin (Clearwater)- (0-0, 9.00) DNP- Injured
3. OF – Jon Singleton (Clearwater)- (.303) –0 for 3 with a BB and 3 K’s
4. RHP – Jared Cosart (Clearwater) – (3-3, 4.15) – DNP
5. RHP – Trevor May (Clearwater)- (2-2, 4.38) – 6 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB and 8 K’s
6. C – Sebastian Valle (Clearwater) – (.312) – 2 for 4 with a HR (3) and 3 RBI
7. LHP – Jesse Biddle (Lakewood) – (1-4, 5.47) – DNP
8. RHP – Vance Worley (Lehigh valley) – (2-2, 2.78) – Up with the big club
9. OF – Tyson Gillies (Reading) – DNP
10. RHP – Justin De Fratus (Reading) – (2-0, 2.93, 3 SV) – 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB and 2 K’s
11. RHP – Julio Rodriquez (Clearwater)- (5-0, 1.67) – DNP
12. 2B – Cesar Hernandez (Clearwater) – (.181) 1 for 3 with 3B (1) and a run
13. OF – Domingo Santana (Lakewood) – (.232) DNP
14. RHP – JC Ramirez (Reading) – (4-2, 2.53) – DNP
15. OF – Aaron Altherr (Lakewood) – (.202) – 0 for with a run
16. RHP – Jon Pettibone (Clearwater) – (3-2, 1.69) DNP
17. C – Cameron Rupp (Lakewood) – (.183) – DNP
18. OF – Jiwan James (Clearwater) – (.256) – DNP
19. 2B – Harold Garcia (Reading) – (.300) Out for the season with a torn ACL
20. RHP – Kevin Walter – Season hasn’t started
21. RHP – Colby Shreve (Lakewood) – (2-2, 3.68) – DNP
22. RHP – Phillippe Aumont (Reading) – (0-2, 2.57, 2 SV) – DNP
23. RHP – Michael Schwimer (Lehigh Valley) – (1-0, 2.25) – DNP
24. 1B – Matt Rizzotti (Reading) – (.345) – 3 for 5 with a HR (6), 2 RBI and a K
25. RHP – Austin Hyatt (Reading) – (5-1, 3.18) – 6.2 IP, 7 H, 2 , 2 ER, 2 BB and 5 K’s (win)
26. OF – Leandro Castro (Clearwater) – (.273) – 2 for 4 with a run and a CS (2)
27. OF – Miguel Alvarez (Lakewood) –(.231) – 1 for 4 with 2 K’s
28. OF – Kelly Dugan – Season hasn’t started
29. RHP – Josh Zeid (Reading) – (1-2, 4.38) – DNP
30. RHP – Percival Garner – Season hasn’t started
1B – Cody Overbeck (Reading) – (.278) 1 for 4 with 2 RBI and a BB
1B – Darin Ruf (Clearwater) – (.295) – DNP
3B – Ronnie Belliard (Lehigh Valley) – (.286) – 0 for 4 with an RBI and 3 K’s
3B – Geancarlo Mendez (Lakewood) – (.295) 0 for 4 and a BB
SS – Freddy Galvis (Redding) – (.240) – 2 for 5 with a run
OF – Derrick Mitchell (Redding)- (.265) – 1 for 5 with 2 K’s
OF – Joe Savery (Clearwater) –(.389) – 1 for 4 with a K
RHP – Jordan Ellis (Reading) – (1-0, 3.38) – DNP
RHP – David Buchanan (Lakewood) – (4-1, 1.77) – DNP
RHP – Lisalberto Bonilla (Lakewood) – (0-1, 1.42) – DNP
LHP – Mario Hollands (Lakewood) –(2-3, 4.54) – 6 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB and 7 K’s
Carlos Rivero is performing like a top 30 player. Has been taking walks during his career. Now he is hitting. Ability to play SS. Top 30.
How well can he play short? As a 3rd baseman it seems like his upside is more that of a bench player than starter. If he can play a good SS that might change things.
Valle is on fire.
I just want to see him take some walks now. It’s great that his average is so high.
its amazing considering he only has 1 walk
Rizzotti crushed the homerun he had. It went to straight center field and went a few feet over the 407 mark. He hit it so hard that his bat shattered into two pieces.
Did he bury the bat afterwards?
Trevor May had a great start. The K’s were there and only 1 BB.
What do we know about Ebelin Lugo?
He’s age appropriate, and aside from a couple bad appearences early in the season he’s dominated. Even with the bad outings his numbers look really good. I remember him getting hit hard in a spring training game, but I’m not putting much stock into it since he had never pitched above lo-A at that point.
had great numbers last year as well.
5 wins and no losses! A great day to be a Phillies fan. Preseason, I thought Hyatt would be the Phillies #8 starter, and he’s solidified that position in my mind. I’m liking Valle’s start, good average and now the HR are coming.
I’m glad to see Bozied back, walking, hitting for extra bases, and knocking in runs. He deserves a second chance in the major leagues. Hopefully, he’ll be a September call-up. If he plays like he did last year, and Mayberry were to get hurt he could get the call sooner. If Howard were to go on the DL, I might prefer him at 1B over Mayberry, Gload, or Larish.
Amazingly, he’s never even gotten a first chance. I, too, think he deserves one.
Bozied is just an organizational, filler type player. He won’t be a major league player, unless something unusual happens.
Hyatt has impressed on each level he has pitched. I hope he gets a shot at AAA this year and if the Phils trade Blanton he goes into camp for 2012 in competition for the 5th starter with Worley and Kendrick.
Bozied was NEVER hurt…phillies made a “classy” move to bench a very productive minor league veteran to make room for Larish, cause they thought a 40 year old “retread” was a better fill(In place of the beloved Andy Tracy). They also made the same classy move to drop Rizzotti off the 40 man for everyone’s boy, (Rizz is only doing it all over again with a .345 average, )Luis Castillo…good move brass that lasted 6 days. Hopefully, these kids get the shot they deserve elsewhere, and you know what I hope both of them jam it down both your…and everyone else’s throats
Larrish is a “40 year old retread” taking time away from the kids(Bozied and Rizzotti)?
Where did that come from? There were two positive comments about Bozied vs. one negative one, and there are lots of people on here who like Rizzotti a lot. Settle down and take out your anger on the Phils management somewhere more appropriate like WIP.
Well this is just a nasty and irrational comment all around, but I do want to comment on Rizzotti.
I’ve actually always been one of the most optimistic regarding Rizzotti among the reality based community, and a fan. It’s nice to see his continued success, and his performance does tend to be at least a partial answer to one of the criticisms, the “sample size” argument.
Of course that never was the biggest reason to be sceptical – I’m not going to turn what I really do want to be a positive comment into a negative one so I won’t repeat all of that, except to say that most of the reasons to be sceptical are still there – and it’s more clear than ever that he (rightfully) doesn’t have a future in Philadelphia. But that said, I WOULD like to see him get a shot somewhere. I don’t know that he has much trade value even now, but for his sake I’d like to see him get that shot.
Collier’s been picking it up in the last few games. Maybe there’s something there afterall.
His LD% this year so far was WAY below his own history (as poor as that was). He was bound to improve some. Here’s hoping he can maintain this new level for the rest of the season.
It’s very nice to see LHV and Reading in 1st place. Clearwater’s got the best record but is in 2nd place mainly because Daytona is HOT!. Lakewood is still in last place but only 6.5 games out of 1st plus they had a 4 run 9th to come back to win the game last night. Maybe this will jump start them. Several of those sub .200 BAs are moving up. Hewitt’s been hitting a bit. Collier’s over the Mendosa line, in addition, he has 10 BBs in 20 games. Altherr is close to .200. Perdomo had a game winning hit last night.
Pitching is probably the strength of the Lakewood team but it’s impossible to win baseball games when you can’t score runs. Which leads me to Hollands. His pitching lines the last few games have been pretty bad. Last night, he gave up 5 runs on 8 hits. But he had 7 Ks, only 1 BB and GO/FO was 8 to 1. He had 2 bad innings of the 6 he pitched. The pitcher of the night was Knigge who pitched the last 3 innings of no hit ball to earn the win. In his last 6 innings pitched, spanning 3 games, he’s given up 1 hit ond 0 ERs. He’s not missing many bats with 3 Ks and he’s had 3 BBs. When you look at his splits, the right-hander is lights out against righties (a .84 ERA and opponents are hitting .162). Against lefties opponents are hitting .182 but he has an ERA above 4. He’s walked 6 lefties in 6 IP and that has hurt him badly. If he can correct that, he’ll be impressive. Easier said then done because it’s possible if he didn’t walk those guys they could have laced HRs. Note: Small and possibly useless sample size.
You’re quite an optimist if can take heart in guys batting .200.
On that team, you take what you can get.
hes not missing many bats cause he is pitching to contact with his mid 90s fastball. hes aggressive in the zone.
So do coaches really teach prospects to pitch to contact? Why? I mean, I know we hear it a lot and fans like to repeat it to defend pitching prospects with low K totals, but it’s never made any sense to me. I don’t care how good your stuff is, if you’re not missing bats you’re not a prospect. Maybe – maybe you can succeed that way pitching against over matched minor leaguers (though even there I suspect success is often a function of luck/small sample size), but has any major league pitcher in the past 50 years succeeded over a career with a sub par K ratio?
And even those pitchers who do have better success than predicted by their K levels (i.e., decent K totals but results are even better than the K’s would project) usually do so by limiting BBs and inducing ground balls – major league hitters generally have no problems with mid 90s fastballs if that’s all a pitcher has going on for him.
Yes, coaches do teach pitching prospects to pitch to contact. In these days of pitch counts you can’t have your starter throwing 5-7 pitches per batter trying to strike everyone out because the won’t get past the 5th inning.
Why most guys with low strikeout numbers in the minors don’t make it is because they don’t have good enough control and movement to keep the ball out of the middle of the plate.
I’m curious about this phrase too. I generally think that trying to get a hitter to hit your pitches is counterintuitive. What I hope it means is “stay in the strike zone” not “throw it over the plate and hope for the best”. Staying in the strike zone with movement or good location sounds like a good strategy to me. Just throwing it so the hitter can hit it (which is what “pitching to contact” sounds like) is a bad idea.
Its about trying to get them to hit “YOUR PITCH” early in the count, not throwing a meatball down the middle.
The difference is that the better pitchers have the ability to get strikeouts when the situation calls for it.
I guess I’m also somewhat dubious of pitchers pitching for contact. If that means being around the plate more often to make a batter chase more pitches, then fine. But I seriously doubt that the goal of any pitcher isn’t to make a batter swing and miss the pitch. Things like keeping a batter off balance, moving inside and outside of the zone, etc. are designed to make a batter have poorer swings, and the best consequence of which is swing and misses. IMO a weak ground ball out is an uncontrollable but benevolent consequence.
i always imagined pitching to contact as being dont try and be too fine. Like if you don’t have the control to paint don’t try and paint because you’ll just fall behind in the count and run up your pitch count. So yeah i guess just pound the strike zone.
Does anyone know why Thompson replaced Brown last night after his 4 ab?
Guessing for defense
“Game three of the series will feature some star power for the Threshers as Roy Oswalt and Carlos Ruiz are expected to join Chase Utley for Thursday night’s contest”
Hardly seems fair. I like it.
Should be a packed house
Kids on the other team will kill to play against those guys. They will be as excited as the Threshers or more so.
Imagine the post game spread in the locker room. The kids will be full for a week.
Standings thru Wednesday
TEAM W L PCT GB
Lehigh Valley 19 14 .576 –
Reading 20 12 .625 -
Clearwater 22 11 .667 2.0
Lakewood 15 17 .469 6.5
22 games above .500 in the early going. Doubt if there’s a better MLB affiliate’s record right now.
i went to Reading game against Thunder last night. Hyatt looks pretty good….good fastball. really kept most hitters off balance until the 2run shot he gave up late. his curveball still needs some work. he bounced alot of them. when he did get it over it had some nice break….when he had runners on, is when he stuggled with it the most. i will say there were some balls that were hit hard off him to the wall or track that would usually go but the wind was hailing in from left and left center last night. Rizzotti was impressive. the kid Hall who started for Thunder was junk thrower from the left side. Rizzotti hung in there pretty well and his HR was a bomb. The Thunder did bring in some kid #27 Venditte who threw from the left and right side. never seen this before in person. pretty impressive. Rizzotti struggled in his 1 ab against him. the left Venditte threw from the side when he threw from the left. i was hoping to see Aumont but no luck. Love this this web-site….keep it up
Thanks for the report, Frb. That’s the first time I’ve ever heard someone say Hyatt’s fastball is impressive.
thats the first time i heard someone say it was not.
What’s the story on Justin Friend? He has some great numbers. Top 30?
Organzational filler…he has had a great year…if Aumont, Rosenberg, or DeFratus move up then he might go to Reading
So how long does Dom Brown stay in AAA. When the season started I was like Ben Francisco is the man. Not anymore. Not sure when he has made solid contact last. It is bad when his D is much better then his offense. Give Mayberry a chance (at least against lefties). I would bring Brown up around June 1 and have him platoon with Mayberry/Francisco.
I think within a week of bringing Utley back they should bring Brown up. This assums Charlie is willing to start him atleast half the time. All the focus will be on the return of utley, brown is done learning in the minors and coming back in a low pressure situation is ideal.
Bring Brown up the same day that Utley is brought off the disabled list. This will put minimal pressure on Brown (everyone will be worried about Utley’s knee). But they have to play Brown every day (occasional day off against tuff lefties)! Give him the rest of the year. We learned last year that he can’t just watch. The big team is winning with very little production from 2nd base, catcher, & corner outfield spots. If he turns out to be the real deal everyone wins!
anyone have the ability to stream the Clearwater game tonight? Its on Comcast.
Brown and Utley make the lineup way too left sided. If Ibanez stays hit Brown stats down. Have to hope big Joe does well so he can be traded in a 3 team deal fir a RH OF bat.
Rollins – Switch
Polanco – Right
Utley – Left
Howard – Left
Victorino – Switch
Ibanez – Left
Chooch – Right
Brown – Left
that order works fine
That may be a better line-up, but flip Polanco and Victorino and switch Chooch and Brown and you will be left with something that looks like the line-up that Charlie will actually throw out there. I’ll tell you what, that has the potential to be a very good line-up and, frankly, they no longer need to have a great line-up. A good to very good line-up will be perfectly fine when paired with this pitching rotation. I mean, look at them, only Hamels and Halladay are firing on all cylinders and most teams still don’t have a chance. What an amazing thing that pitching rotation is and the sometimes maligned bullpen ain’t that bad.
Utley hits LHP better than RHP and has for years. For his career, he has a dead even split now.
Big Joe isn’t going anywhere, until he can prove he is completely healthy. No one will trade for an overpaid hurt starting pitcher.
Maybe its just me? but utley and brown coming back is nice to have but the east has loading up with left hand relief pitchers. and the phillies will struggle if they dont get another right hand bat besides ruiz.Why isnt charlie playing and i cant believe that I am saying this not a fan of either one but mayberry is better outfieler than ben and at least he can hit some homeruns, even if he doent hit for average.
A left-handed lineup is not a huge problem. Utley, Howard and Ibanez can hit lefties and Brown has shown he can do that in the minors. Also, left-handed starters are very rare. In the NL East, there are just Lannan, Santana and Capuano. In these situations, plug in Mayberry for somebody. As for lefthanded specialists, I wonder why Chuck doesn’t plug in Mayberry for Ibanez when the other team brings in Byrdak, Sherill, Choate, etc. Anyway, you would have to break up the lefties in the lineup. Put Vic or Polly in the middle of the lineup- sixth, maybe.
Based on the current Trajectory I see five promotions on June 1st:
Why in the world would you promote Valle? He’s very raw offensively and defensively. The last thing he needs is to face AA pitching.
Agreed – all will be promoted except Valle. They want him to grow-up with those pitchers. I expect that, with a minor exception or two, he will be promoted lock-step with that group of starters and will move one level a year (although, like Chooch, he actually may spend a couple of years in AAA putting the finishing touches on his game).
By the way, looking back at the PP top 30, if you had to update it today, it would be hard to put J. Rod any lower than 6th and you could make a case for him anywhere from 2 to 6. I’d probably have him around 5 or 6.
On another topic, I know there is no place for him, but Matt Rizzotti can just flat out hit and get on base (MLB equivalents of .288/339./.492 and he’s just starting to really hit for power). He’s extremely limited it’s true, but he is a very underrated guy and some folks will end up kicking themselves for not having picked him up for free when they had the chance. He is going to end up as somebody’s DH (couldn’t you just see him replacing Jim Thome in Minnesota?), but I would not mind seeing him as a possible 8/30 call-up for the Phillies and I love the idea of having him batting 7th or 8th against an American League team in the World Series.
Mostly agreed on Riz – though I am not sure I see him hitting for much more power than he is displaying now. Those MLE look better in 2011 (essentially an average 1B offensively, which has real value) than they would have looked (say) 5 years ago. I don’t know that I would extoll his OB capabilities, though, so much … .339 (which I agree is realistic) is meh. But the total package is good enough to play in the majors – most likely as a DH though given his defensive limitations.
While we agree that he has no real future in Philly for reasons which should be obvious, I also agree he would make a nice call up when rosters expand. WS DH role is also intriguing; I think they might need to go with 11 pitchers to do it, given his positional limitations, but with off days I think that’s managable.
I think Rizzoti might be the only one would get promoted that early. Here is why:
Rodriguez is still young. He needs a full year at high A
This blocks Buchanan. Cloyd has pitched well and he is only there till Colvin returns.
Not completly sold on Savery yet. He hasn’t hit much in May. Maybe later in the year.
Valle like Rodriguez. Not need to rush. Let him play High A the whole year.
I would obviously disagree.
I think it will be unlikely that Valle gets promoted in the short term. The big club has Chooch in place for at least a couple of more years, Valle is raw defensively and they are likely satisfied having him develop with the others on the Clearwater team. There are plenty of promising arms at Clearwater who will provide Valle with some nice experience. I agree he has really turned it on and is likely better than the AA catcher, but that does not mean a promotion is forthcoming. We shall see……
Of course you disagree…but why do you? That’s the question. He’s making good contact and even showing good power for a young catcher but his other peripherals are red flags at this point. No reason to jump him after 1 month in A+ ball.
Agreed. Valle has an opportunity to develop his receiving skills with a talented staff in Clearwater. Not sure he’s a promotion candidate at this point. He’s having a great year, no doubt. But there’s something to be said about a hitter’s pitch selection when they are seemingly unable to take a BB. I’m excited by Valle though, and hope he’s in Clearwater all season.
Riz, if the guy’s going to continue to hit .340 with power, someone will notice, including the Phillies’ brass. This is an exciting story. What if he replicates last year’s numbers +5 home runs? The window of opportunity is small for him, but I’m pulling for him if for no other reason that to add trade value from within our system
Wish Comcast would show tonight’s Clearwater game since the big club is off. I’m sure they’d get ratings.
It appears they are, actually.
Checked listings and havent found it.
Might not be in the listings because they program those things in advance. But CSNphilly.com says it’ll be on tonight.
Looking forward to seeing Utley play for the first time this year, but it’s also a great opportunity to watch some of the guys I’ve only seen in box scores and highlight clips.
csnphillt.com has clearwater on comcast at 7:00
should be csnphilly.com
I think many don’t understand how much fluctuation you are bound to see in batting averages over a small period of time. Over 100 at bats a .260 hitter can easily hit anywhere from .220-.300 and it doesn’t mean his true level of ability has changed at all.
As far as Valle, he’s 20 and not yet on the 40-man roster. He has ability but he’s raw yet. There’s no reason whatsoever for the Phillies to rush him. He should stay in Clearwater and work on his plate discipline.
Exactly. I like him as a prospect myself but we have to be realistic. Even guys that NEVER walk in the Majors still got a bunch of free passes in the low minors. Rod Barajas is held up as a comp for Valle on occasion as he was a decent power, no OBP catcher for years. Look at his MiLB numbers, especially the low minors. He still walked a good amount.
Valle is a 1 level a year guy at most right now. Catchers develop slower anyway so there is absolutely no reason to rush him due to an early season hot streak. IF he were 23-24, it’d be different. He’s very young for his league at a tough position. Let him enjoy success and catching a good rotation.
KG’s box score recap for yesterday is free on BP. Promising comment on May, a comment on Riz that echoes stuff said in this thread, and he has a line on Valle but no commentary.
Remark by KG on Rizz “Obviously has no future in Philly and is a bat-only player, but boy can he hit; .345/.398/.612 in 32 games”.
I have 3 questions.
1) If people who play first base have no future in Philly because of Howard even if they can really hit, why do the Phillies bother to draft them?
2) In view of the futility exhibited by the Phillies in hitting, is there no way that an efficient organization can get someone that hits as well as Rizz into the lineup.
3) What was the point of ever playing him at DH instead of doing everything possible to find a position for him in the field.
1) There are always injuries, trades, free agency, etc. You never know when you will need a replacement, short term or long. You also have to have a first baseman or two for each team in the minor leagues.
2) In the AL he could DH, but in the NL he could only pinch hit. However, there are a limited number of roster spots and Ross Gload is the left-handed pinch hitting specialist. Gload plays a much better first base than Rizzotti and can also play right field. The rosters expand to 40 in September, so Rizz could be brought up then if they think he could help.
3) I think putting him at DH was done in order to allow him to concentrate on his hitting without being distracted by fielding issues. In addition, if he has shown that he is a poor fielder in Spring Training, they may not want him out there making errors and costing them games. If they thought that Rizz could play OF they would have tried him there already.
Maybe Riz gets a cameo when the Phils play on the road versus the AL. Would love to see him get some DH at bats. Phils play on he road for three in mid-June and @ Toronto the first week of July. Gives him at least another month to rake. I’m rooting for him. At the very least, he puts his name on the radar if he could continue to hit at LV
Phillies aren’t clearing a 40-man roster spot so some AA player can be the DH for a dozen interleague games.
C’mon 3up there are many people who don’t belong on the 40.
The Phillies brass apparently disagrees since they already dropped the Riz so they could keep those other guys.
Its not even a question of if he deserves to be there over someone else but rather no team is going to risk losing a guy they are protecting to make space for a 2-week DH in June..
If a player can hit well over a 2 week period which can in accumulating victories in championship season play, they would add such player to the roster, no doubt. And , if you look at the Philly situation, they have numerous players that could be placed on the 60 day Disabled List. (For those who don’t know , evidently many don’t, a player placed on the 60 day DL, is automatically removed from the 40 man roster, and the team still retains the rights to said player, and can replace said player on the 40 man roster with another.) Ex. in Philly, Harold Garcia is determined out for the season at AA, they could recall him, place him on the active roster and then place on the 60 day DL (and this would also create an extra spot come playoff time.) Same with numerous players that have already been on the DL for more than 60 days. The 40 man roster is not a factor.
In regards to question #1, two points.
1. You never know what might happen to the big club. The LA Angels looked to have a stable first baseman for the next several years in Kendrys Morales. Now Morales will miss all of this season in addition to missing 110 games last season. Sometimes you have catastrophic problems at the MLB level you need to address.
2. Talent is talent, and when you can trade players even blocked players have value. Several years ago, the Milwaukee Brewers made a seemingly questionable move to take Matt LaPorta seventh overall when they already had Prince Fielder. A year later they flipped LaPorta for C.C. Sabathia and enjoyed their best season in 20 years.
Now had the Brewers said they had a first baseman already and declined to draft LaPorta, they might’ve taken the next pick in pitcher Casey Weathers. (Just playing devil’s advocate, I have no idea what their draft board looked like.) Weathers is now a mid-level prospect and has yet to see the majors. They were obviously better off taking LaPorta.
I understand your frustrations but I don’t think Rizz’s situation is that unique. Just look a few spots below him in KG’s list
“Tyler Townsend, 1B, Orioles (High-A Frederick): 1-for-3, HR (7), 2 R, RBI, BB, K. Five home runs in his last 11 games and .330/.364/.634 overall; all caveats to first base prospects apply, and he’s a bit old to be a stud.”
Sounds like what people where saying about Rizz this time last year? I’m rooting for Rizz but he plays(and by all scouting reports can only play) First Base. It’s the most competitive position in baseball, and he’ll have to prove himself a lot more then others to make it to the Majors. If Andy Tracy could of played Centerfield or Second Base he would of been a Major League starter, at First Base he’s just a “replacement” level player.
See this is why I tend to normally avoid positive comments about the Rizz, because it leads to this …
“is there no way that an efficient organization can get someone that hits as well as Rizz into the lineup”
Answer: no. Some players just can’t play any position other than 1B (and sometimes not even that) at even a minimally successful major league level.
Of course the question also seems to assume a higher level level of hitting prowess than he in fact is likely to exhibit in the majors. The .288/.339/.492 projection above is probably if anything on the optimistic side (though I personally think it’s realistic). And it is a decent line that has real value. But it’s not the second coming of … well insert hitting star here.
To reinforce the point: a guy who struggles to play an acceptable 1B defensively is not a candidate to play a tougher defensive position.
And in all honesty, Rizzotti at this instant is probably not a better hitter than Ross Gload. I do find it fun though that Rizzotti is from Manhattan, Gload from Brooklyn. How about a friendly organizational rivalry?
Frb, what section were you sitting at last night as I was also there. I agree with you about Hyatt as his fastball was his best pitch and it moved well so Trenton rarely hit it really solid. Hyatt’s curve ball was bouncing at the plate some of the time usually when runners were on but overall was not terrible but needs work in higher levels. Rizzotti hit well(HR smashed right over 407 sign), fielded well and showed good presence of mind in backing up throws. I thought Galvis’s hit and run single was well done as he hit the ball right in the 2B normal position. Lastly, Reading is a slow team overall but Mark Parent used aggressive batting and running to keep the pressure on Trenton all game long(hope Charlie or Ruben took note).
i was in section C, row 1. right at first base. speaking about Hyatt real quick before i get into Rizz. Hyatt’s fastball was MLB adequate at low 90′s. He left his change up in the middle of the plate a few times as well but as i said he impressed me. Now considering the Thunders lineup really did not offer much of a punch im not sure how much you can take from this night. This was my first time seeing Rizz other then on TV during spring training and i was right at first base and he made some impressive plays with some nice stretches doing what he had to do. i totally agree this kid is made for a AL squad if he continues to rake. ive been watching some of the Royals Yanks game tonight on MLB network and Rizz could be a player similiar to a Billy Butler. came up as a 1B and then moved to the everyday DH now cause of his bat. If that comes to be the case hypothetically, Butler is a nice ball player. all i got to say is it sounds like great prospect to trade….
Billy Butler moved to DH because of Kila K— , the Hawaiian, and now Eric Hosmer. Billy Butler was always highly regarded as a top guy. Point is, lots of First Basemen.
Who is pitching for Clearwater tonight?
That question totally came out wrong. hahaha. I know what I really meant to ask, but I’m just going to leave the beauty of my stupid question alone.
Oswalt I believe.
Oswalt pitching for Clearwater tonight. Figures. We’re obviously crowded with starting pitchers at the big league level. Why don’t we start this kid in LF and maximize his positional useability? I swear I don’t understand this organization sometimes.
With all seriousness, the lineup for Clearwater tonight:
CF Jiwan James
2B Chase Utley
C Carlos Ruiz
1B Darin Ruf
LF Jonathan Singleton
DH Joe Savery
RF Leandro Castro
3B Jeremy Barnes
SS Troy Hanzawa
P Roy Oswalt
Opposing pitcher is RHP Joe Kelly. According to BA, Kelly is a groundball pitcher with an electric fastball. 93-99 mph, touching 100 mph out of the bullpen. Slider/curveball as secondary pitches. Closer upside.
Another player to watch for Palm Beach is Zack Cox. Advanced college bat at third base, signed for $6,000,000 last season. Close to a top 50 prospect.
I was hoping the Clearwater manager would put Valle in as the DH so we could see him hit.
Brown got pulled from the lineup last night and he’s not in the lineup tonight. Anyone know if there’s something up with him?
I think it is rest…I believe he was pulled for defense in a blow out last night. If something was up the Philly media would be all over it.
He sprained his thumb…should be back in 2-4 days per the FO.
Its considered a very mild sprain.
David Buchanan has pitched remarkably again. One hit in seven innings. Anthony Hewitt had more himself including a home run. What is it about Buchanan? He was a bit inconsistent with control, but no one seems to be able to hit him. Lakewood is starting to look good.
Neither Aumont, Chapman nor Ellis helped themselves and their teams tonight.
What happened to Bonine?
There are some guys really playing well enough to start thinking about promotions – Buchanan, Overbeck, Rizzotti, Valle, Savery, etc
Frb, I was in section G on the 3rd base side behind the Reading dugout. I watched a little of the game behind the plate and Hyatt’s fastball seemed to run away from RH batters as Trenton fouled many balls to the right side. Were you by that annoying Trenton fan shouting the Reading pitchers names and he looked like Peter from The Family Guy?
Wow…Interesting comments all around–highs and lows, expectations, projections for all of these young guys, and potential July moves…I love it–many of you it seems have done a lot of homework, and I applaud.. I must say, as fanatically addicted to baseball as I am, to the point where it might be borderline sickness, I really only know a decent amount about maybe 5-6 of these prospects that are highly valued. I very much enjoyed reading all of the various thoughts and considerations about our young players at each level…
However, the bottom line is that the Phils are a win-now team, if there was ever a definition of it. They will make some kind of July move that will send out some of these prospects. It seems as though some people are fine with depending on an unproven MLB Domonic Brown to be the savior of left field in October…Of course, with all of my optimism I hope so too, and I think Brown (rightly so) will be seeing the most LF playing time at the stretch-run, but it’s still seems overly-confident to think that the offensive outfield strength of the 2011 phillies rests on the shoulders of a minor league player…AND even more than that, those of you who are fine with taking some sort of Mayberry/Francisco combination into the playoffs are out of your mind. That might have been okay on the teams with the Adam Eaton’s and Rico Brogna’s, but not with a team that can and will perennially contend in Philadelphia.
I guarantee Ruben will be looking at bringing in Carlos Quentin or Delmon Young–both of whom will be free agents after 2012 (only 1 year of financial commitment), will not cost as much financially through arbitration as, say, Hunter Pence, will bring some power (48% of Quentin’s hits are HR or 2B) and/or avg. (Young is a career .305 vs lefties and .341 w RISP) back into the lineup, would be an offensive upgrade over the unproven and thus far under-performing Ben Francisco…its ridiculous to think that the Phils would be satisfied taking 1 experienced/proven playoff OF (Vic) into October with as much talent as they put on display through the infield and pitching staff…I’m very optimistic about JMJr, but for some reason he’s not even getting much of a chance to prove himself..I think they are going to bring in Quentin if the White Sox are out of contention, and I would welcome that move…After 2012 if he wanted to hit FA that would be fine, because we would have OF prospects on the verge of a MLB breakthrough..Ruben was talking to the Sox about Quentin last December in an attempt to replace some of the lost production of Jayson Werth, but a deal was never done because the Sox thought they would compete this year with Quentin in RF…I know its early, but I can see Quentin being the July move..for those of you that know more about prospects than I do–which, by reading the above posts are probably all of you–what are your thoughts? Don’t you think the phils would have a more successful lineup with a productive player like Quentin/Young for rest of 2011 and all of 2012 for a relatively low prospect/financial commitment? What kind of prospect package do you think would be suitable for a Carlos Quentin or Delmon Young? because I really really think these are the top 2 OF on the radar, since we don’t have someone really ready to play RF in 2012 unless you are really going down with the Ben Francisco ship………
Again , with the Carlos Quentin thing, over time he has killed RHP’s and has been more vulnerable to LHP’s. So , if the rest of the line-up seems to be vulnerable to LHP’s as LH batters, Quentin’s results averaged over time, may not always help much in that regard. Delmon Young, seems like if Minnesota was willing to trade him it would take a king’s ransom. And with him, who knows? , the next Buffett he sits down to may be the tipping point, and he turns into Dimitry Young.
Dom is not needed to be a savior just someone who can row the boat correctly.
The left side of the boat that is.
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