40 thoughts on “Drabek and Flande selected to the Futures Game

  1. Heisey over Taylor is a disgrace.

    But congratulations to Flande and Drabek, both very deserving.

  2. How can Taylor not be part of this roster. His stats blow away all the other outfileders withe the exception of Stanton. I would appreciate anyone’s input who has knowledge of how this squad is put toghether

  3. Dick, if you mean Michael Stanton, he is hitting .246 in AA and only hit .294 in A (with 12 HRs) so Taylor blows away his stats as well.

  4. SIFPA: noted, however Stanton is a stud of all studs and I expect him to climb rapidly and thats why I am not upset that he made it. take care

  5. Taylor earned the right and is as exciting a prospect as any other player on that list, but the fact that he is not listed is not that strange with all there is to choose from. He handles the things in his control pretty well and I am sure that the things that are out of his control don’t labor long in his mind. That being said, it is more than puzzlling?

  6. Any chance the Phils requested Taylor NOT make the team? I know they can ask a player not to play in their leagues All Star game, but does that apply here??

  7. No team can have more than two players- so it probably came down to either Taylor or Flande rather than Taylor or Stanton.

  8. Jarod, that’s what I’ve been noodling on…if he’s their main trade bait, perhaps they don’t want him at the Futures Game right after they trade him?

  9. “Nick Says:
    June 25, 2009 at 1:14 pm
    maybe his age is factoring in. is there anyone on the roster older than 22?”
    Yeah, Heisey is 24, as is Sizemore and Lincoln.

  10. “Jarod, that’s what I’ve been noodling on…if he’s their main trade bait, perhaps they don’t want him at the Futures Game right after they trade him?”
    I was hoping more along the line of a call-up, but if he nets a top of the line starter, I woudln’t mind.
    But if they are looking at a Marquis’-like guy, I say hold onto him.

  11. “No team can have more than two players- so it probably came down to either Taylor or Flande rather than Taylor or Stanton.”
    The Brewers have three.
    And the Phils had three last year.

  12. Taylor is not overly exposed and it wouldn’t be to far fetched to think that Phillie does not want many of their fans to actually see him play and thus begin real clamor for his promotion. They may have plans for him down the road at a cheaper junction than the immediate future and are reluctant to let the cat out of the bag. Stats are one thing, but to see him live will drive your passion to see him moved.
    Drabek was 1st round choice so exposure is not concerning it is confirmation of choice and they may have more immediate plans for him, maybe september.
    Flande could be gaining some exposure for trade purposes.

  13. During ESPN chat today Keith Law said Michael Taylor is a potential impact bat and middle of the order player.

  14. “Here are the rosters for the 2009 Futures Game, which will be held in St. Louis on July 12. Players for the game are selected by Baseball America, the Major League Baseball Scouting Bureau, MLB.com and the 30 participating clubs. Each club must have at least one player on the roster and no team can have more than two. (Click the player’s name for statistics).”

    Ummm the Brewers have 2. Lawrie and Escobar.

  15. This whole Taylor thing is sick. Now that Wieters is in the bigs who is better than Taylor in the minors, a handful if that. Its giving me a headache in the logical lobe.

  16. And anyway, maybe we should look at it the other way. Instead of the phils lowering the hype on Taylor so they could trade him– wouldn’t it make a whole lot more sense to inflate the hype on Flande so they can trade him? He’s basically peaking in value and getting a whole lot more recognition and scout ink than a 22 year old who started the season in low-A should.

  17. ““Here are the rosters for the 2009 Futures Game, which will be held in St. Louis on July 12. Players for the game are selected by Baseball America, the Major League Baseball Scouting Bureau, MLB.com and the 30 participating clubs. Each club must have at least one player on the roster and no team can have more than two. (Click the player’s name for statistics).”

    Ummm the Brewers have 2. Lawrie and Escobar.”

    Yup. The link from MiLB showed the Brewers having 3. My bad.

  18. No worries, its a ridiculous, communist practice that underminds the whole purpose of All-Star recognition anyway. IE Taylor not being on the Roster.

  19. ESPN: Law
    Matt (Alexandria, VA)
    What are your thoughts on the Phillies prospect Michael Taylor? Seems to be an above average RH OF bat – something the phils will need to break up their lefties. Is he a better prospect than John Mayberry? Thanks
    Keith Law
    Impact potential, could be a middle of the order guy. Way better than Mayberry.
    ESPN: Jayson Stark…unsettling response
    Even before they imploded on their last homestand, the Phillies were one of the most aggressive teams out there in hunting for pitching. And interestingly, clubs that have asked them about some of their most ballyhooed prospects, such as outfielder Michael Taylor and infielder Jason Donald, have gotten indications the Phillies would trade either, or both, for an impact starter. (Don’t ask who, but that’s another story.)

    “They know they have to move somebody big to get what they want,” said an official of one team they talked to. “And I think they’re willing to do that.”

    The six young players the Phillies wouldn’t listen on, the same official said: outfielder Dominic Brown; catcher Lou Marson; and pitchers Kyle Drabek, Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco and Antonio Bastardo.

    I think the Phillies are valuing Carrasco and Bastardo way to highly…and making a mistake giving away Taylor, at whatever the player in return, or Donald, Rollins possible replacement next year ( he looks shot, two years is not a slump and he is on the down side of 30)
    The trade chips should be Mayberry, Ibanez(stock never as high), Bastardo & Savery…Werth is a much better option long term in left then Ibanez…and I would prefer Vic, Werth, Taylor as my 2010 outfield if a trade is necessary

  20. @tomphilly.
    Its too bad there are no ‘impact starters’ on the market.
    I’m surprised Carrasco is still on that list of untouchables. I’d take him off and put Taylor on there. JMO.

  21. Ok, I am now heading to Reading so that I can watch Taylor before he begins wearing another uniform. Bring home the ring with a trade because this young fellow is going to be a lost treasure.

  22. Definitely sucks to see Taylor not make the futures game, but happy for Drabek/Flande.

    I’ll be very very disappointed if they trade him. He’s the big right handed bat we need to offset the lefties in our line up. There are 2-3 pitchers I’d include him in a deal for, but that’s it.

  23. taylor seems to be motivated by slights. if they value brown more than taylor brown must be ” according to the hype” a 1st ballot hall of famer. from everything ive read and reports from rickey b. and others ill take taylor anytime. trade brown if anyone.

  24. No reason to get too upset about Taylor not being selected; if I recall correctly, there are a couple of questionable Futures Game roster decisions every year. I honestly think that if Brown were healthy, he’d have been selected over Taylor. Just a hunch.

    Good info from Stark, though like some others have said, I think the organization’s hierarchy is a bit skewed. To say that Taylor is movable isn’t earth-shattering — the organization doesn’t have a starting outfield position open until 2011, and you have to give up good prospects to expect anything in return. But I’d far rather deal Bastardo, Knapp, and even Marson before Taylor at this point.

  25. Not for nothing but at the MLB level this thing turned into a sellers market real quick. Injuries to Halladay and Peavy, Pitchers in their Walk Years Marquis and Bedard who is also an injury waiting to happen.

    I’d be saying no to any discussion that involves Taylor and Drabek. Anybody else is in play. And Unless you’re going to tell me rollins hits .350 the second half of the season this years club has zero chance of repeating which means if you do make a trade for a pitcher it better be one you can control for a few more years.

    I’d love to hear what the Giants would want for Matt Cain.

  26. Stark makes an interesting point later in the article… Scouts say happ and bastardo are attractive… But the phillies are built to win now.

    I agree with that assessment. It’s an old team with a lot of youth percolating beneath. It will be interesting in this market to see what happens.

    I am betting on minor deals that do not touch more than 1 top prospect…

  27. I would like to know what pitcher Stark is referring to. I don’t know every pitcher but I think that to trade Taylor I would want nothing less than Halliday. Not even Bedard or Oswalt would be worth it. In addition, it could not be just a rental, but he would have to be signed for at least this year and next.

  28. Btw how sweet is todays pitching list.

    AAA – Carrasco
    AA – Drabek
    A+ – Naylor
    A – Knapp
    A(ss) – Pettibone

    Every level has an interesting pitch to follow.

  29. I think the Futures game is more a representative roster than a strict all-star game of prospects. Otherwise these guys would all be AAA players.

    Some posters mentioned Michael Stanton above. Stanton slugged .578 as a 19 year old in the Florida State League. Objectively, he’s a better prospect than Taylor.

    As for the best (position) prospect currently in the minors, my money is on Buster Posey.

  30. Why would they all be AAA? I think its pretty obvious in our system, at least, that Taylor is the top (if not, then the #2) OF prospect and he is clearly at AA.

    I think the fact that most of that roster is AA illustrates how the roles of the levels have changed, where players like Andy Tracy hang around AAA and the real prospects prove their worth at AA before being called up to the majors.

    Good point about Stanton’s age, but considering Taylor has dominated 3 levels of play, I think it’d be prudent to put a more proven prospect in the Futures game, IMO. I also see that there are 3 other corner OF on that roster than Taylor is hitting better than.

  31. I’d rather trade Bastardo or Carrasco than Taylor. We’re gonna need young bats in fairly short order with Ibanez and Werth leaving in the next few years.

  32. The thing that I found perplexing about Stark’s article is that although the Phillies are “built to win now” they want to keep Happ, Bastardo, Carrasco and Drabek to go with Hamels. It seems like they would have to part with one of the first three to get any true impact pitcher.

    Bastardo definitely looks like he needs to go back down and work on his secondary stuff tonight.

  33. When a dominate player is kept too long at too low a level the opposition just stops pitching to him. Tonight Taylor got little to swing at. In his first at bat everything was off the plate. The New Hampshire staff essentially stopped pitching to him after he went 6 for 10 in the first two games in the series. He walked twice, once intentionally, and hit a sac fly.

    Drabek looked okay. In the first few inning the Fisher Cats were swinging first pitch fast ball and made good contact for several long fly balls. When he went to his curve more earlier in the count in the middle innings the strike outs mounted. He seems to lose command in the 6th as he got his pitches up and they put a 3 spot on the board. But Drabek is a great competitor and he finished the 7th with a 95 mph swinging strike out and came out in the 8th to strike out the lead off hitter on an 83 mph curve ball before being lifted for Zagurski to face a lefty who had driven the ball on him for extra bases in the 6th inning. Just wish he would keep his pitches down a little more to get more ground ball outs. Still 9 K’s over 7.1 innings with only one walk was good. Like to see what Drabek would do at AAA against more experienced hitters or a better AA lineup. New Hampshire even with the DH had only a few good bats in that lineup.

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